How to use Junk Senders blacklist without the junk conditions?

V

Vanguard

The embedded list of conditions for testing on junk e-mails provided by
Microsoft are way too lax (they won't catch much) and end up with lots
of false positives (good e-mails marked as junk). Since playing with
the Junk option in Outlook, I've gotten more false positives in the last
2 days than I've had in the last 4 months.

The clause for the Junk Sender rule is:

suspected to be junk e-mail or from Junk Senders

I'd like to toss the first part of "suspected to be junk e-mail" but
keep the sender blacklist of "Junk Senders". Outlook doesn't provide a
whitelist (other than using a rule with "sender is in <contact-type>
Address Book") and the only blacklist it has is the "Junk Senders.txt"
file read by this clause. I'd like to separate the blacklist from
Microsoft's piss poor junk conditions (which I cannot modify because
they are embedded, the filters.txt file just tells me what conditions
are included, and it could be out of sync with what conditions are
actually used).

I already use SpamPal and it does provide whitelists and blacklists but
additions are made manually and separately of Outlook. I don't use
e-mail blacklists to block spam because spammers always use a newly
auto-generated bogus e-mail address on every crop of crap they spew. I
use it to get rid of announcements from specific divisions of a service
or my provider, like news from my ISP or from my webmail provider (the
e-mail address is different than used for their tech support), or maybe
for someone that I want to killfile (I haven't gotten on someone's sh*t
list yet but it could happen). If I opt for a different anti-spam
solution, I'd lose my blacklist unless I could copy into what else I
used but I couldn't move it back into Outlook's Junk Senders list
because the only way to use it is also with the "suspected to be junk
e-mail" conditions that I do NOT want used (because of way too many
false positives).
 
M

Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]

I am using the Junk Senders option set to high with NO false positives. It
may be in how you have your junk rules set to operate but mine have worked
perfectly for several months now with on a few false positives in Beta 2,
that was corrected in Beta 2 Technical Refresh.

I do not use 3rd party programs as I believe they interfere with Outlook's
ability to apply the junk senders criteria to new mail.


--
Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]

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After searching google.groups.com and finding no answer:
Vanguard <[email protected]> asked:
| The embedded list of conditions for testing on junk e-mails provided
| by Microsoft are way too lax (they won't catch much) and end up with
| lots of false positives (good e-mails marked as junk). Since playing
| with the Junk option in Outlook, I've gotten more false positives in
| the last 2 days than I've had in the last 4 months.
|
| The clause for the Junk Sender rule is:
|
| suspected to be junk e-mail or from Junk Senders
|
| I'd like to toss the first part of "suspected to be junk e-mail" but
| keep the sender blacklist of "Junk Senders". Outlook doesn't provide
| a whitelist (other than using a rule with "sender is in <contact-type>
| Address Book") and the only blacklist it has is the "Junk Senders.txt"
| file read by this clause. I'd like to separate the blacklist from
| Microsoft's piss poor junk conditions (which I cannot modify because
| they are embedded, the filters.txt file just tells me what conditions
| are included, and it could be out of sync with what conditions are
| actually used).
|
| I already use SpamPal and it does provide whitelists and blacklists
| but additions are made manually and separately of Outlook. I don't
| use e-mail blacklists to block spam because spammers always use a
| newly auto-generated bogus e-mail address on every crop of crap they
| spew. I use it to get rid of announcements from specific divisions
| of a service or my provider, like news from my ISP or from my webmail
| provider (the e-mail address is different than used for their tech
| support), or maybe for someone that I want to killfile (I haven't
| gotten on someone's sh*t list yet but it could happen). If I opt for
| a different anti-spam solution, I'd lose my blacklist unless I could
| copy into what else I used but I couldn't move it back into Outlook's
| Junk Senders list because the only way to use it is also with the
| "suspected to be junk e-mail" conditions that I do NOT want used
| (because of way too many false positives).
 
V

Vanguard

Milly said:
I am using the Junk Senders option set to high with NO false
positives. It may be in how you have your junk rules set to operate
but mine have worked perfectly for several months now with on a few
false positives in Beta 2, that was corrected in Beta 2 Technical
Refresh.

I don't see an option to set the level of detection by Outlook's Junk
Sender rule. I am still using Outlook 2002 (I forgot to mention that).
Maybe Outlook 2003 has configurable thresholds.
I do not use 3rd party programs as I believe they interfere with
Outlook's ability to apply the junk senders criteria to new mail.

Could happen but only if the anti-spam filter also *modified* the e-mail
delivered to the client.
 

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