I also agree that very soon 64-bit will dominate. Now that there is a
mass market 64-bit OS available with a virtually identical familiar user
interface, there is very little price difference between a 32-bit and a 64-bit
processor, and more people demand 64-bit drivers for peripherals.
If the average user can be convinced that a 64-bit environment is faster,
can accomplish more, and is more stable, then 32-bit will go the way
of DOS.
Right now, however, when I try to explain what the difference is, my
friends get a pained look on their face and always just ask "Does
that mean it is better?"
dom
"Chad Harris" <fixvista-itneedsit.net> wrote in message
| That line of reasoning could well be.
|
| I actually feel that 64 bit migration is going to be faster than the quote
| has represented, just because of the sales of 64 bit boxes and shelf space
| in bricks and mortar or web sites that sell, and the simple impulse to try
| out what seems to be newer and is perceived to be more capable and faster.
| But maybe not.
|
| CH
|
|
| '
| | > Chad,
| >
| > Sorry, I shouldn't have posted the whole quote. Those were the ideas
| > of the original poster.
| >
| > Since DVDs only cost a few cents to produce and the boxes also obviously
| > have room to include the 64-bit disks, I think their motivation was that
| > the
| > majority of purchasers would simply have no idea what the difference was.
| >
| > And to avoid hysterical calls to retailers from frantic users, they just
| > decided
| > that since Ultimate is so expensive and would probably mostly be purchased
| > by enthusiasts, they decided that not including both disks would make it
| > easier
| > to avoid angry tech support calls and software returns.
| >
| > I will purchase the full Ultimate edition Tuesday so I'm ok at least.
| >
| > dom
| >
| >
| > "Chad Harris" <fixvista-itneedsit.net> wrote in message
| > | > |I find it puzzling that they wouldn't just include the 64 bit DVD in all
| > | editions. I don't know what the 64 bit migration graph will look like
| > in 12
| > | months, and 24 months out. We'll all see, but MSFT has been writing
| > now
| > | that it would happen faster rather than slower and it just seems odd
| > they
| > | wouldn't facilitate it. They have also geared their Windows server
| > road
| > | map towards that end. I guess they'll have the website to get the order
| > | going, and I know they will also market Vista on a downloadable website
| > for
| > | purchase, but most people will want a DVD from MSFT in their hands for
| > their
| > | money I suspect.
| > |
| > | Your points on 64 bit are well taken.
| > |
| > | CH
| > |
| > |
| > | | > | > FROM:
http://channel9.msdn.com/ShowPost.aspx?PostID=270923
| > | >
| > | > The link that was given to order 64 bit media is the following
| > | > one:
| > | >
| > | >
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsvista/1033/ordermedia
| > | >
| > | > However as of today the site hasn't been put online yet; I'd
| > | > suggest trying Monday and Tuesday to see if it's available to
| > | > order from there by then.
| > | >
| > | > I'm rather shocked that the "common retail versions" of
| > | > VISTA won't include 64 bit media; I have to assume that
| > | > very few "average consumers" are going to have the
| > | > knowledge, motivation, take the time to, and incur the expense
| > | > of jumping through an extra hurdle to get a 64 bit vista
| > | > version and then go through a painful 32 -> 64 upgrade.
| > | >
| > | > Because of that I have to assume that the market penetration
| > | > will remain quite low of 64 bit installs on 64 bit
| > | > capable systems (almost anything sold as a relatively mid to
| > | > high end PC for the past couple of years). That's actually
| > | > quite regrettable since the lower consumer adoption rate
| > | > will cause "negative feedback" leading to lower degrees of
| > | > support by application / hardware / device driver vendors
| > | > which will lead to less compatibility, quality, and performance,
| > | > which in turn will fuel the "Who needs 64 bit?" perception.
| > | >
| > | > All in all it's a shame since given the price of main memory
| > | > and the size of memory space needed for many graphics
| > | > cards (512M - 1GB) it's really very difficult to have even
| > | > 3GB or more of system RAM and not have severe limitations
| > | > on the benefit or usability of it. I've already been experiencing
| > | > the problem, and lack of 64 bit is the thing that's kept me
| > | > from using 4GB RAM for two years already, hoping that
| > | > it'd be improved with VISTA but so far it seems problematic.
| > | >
| > | > | > | > | Yeah, but you would be downloading it from pirated sources. It could
| > | > have
| > | > | been tampered with.
| > | > |
| > | > | --
| > | > | /* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
| > | > | * Robert Firth *
| > | > | * Windows Vista x86 RTM *
| > | > | *
http://www.WinVistaInfo.org *
| > | > | * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * */
| > | > |
| > | > | | > | > | >I already have the cd-key, so I would not be downloading for the
| > sake
| > | > of
| > | > | >pirating the software...I just need the code is all.
| > | > | >
| > | > | > I would only join MSDN to get a cd-key...Understand My Point?
| > | > | >
| > | > | > Gary
| > | > | >
| > | > | > "Chad Harris" <fixvista-itneedsit.net> wrote in message
| > | > | > | > | > | >>
| > | > | >> Gary--
| > | > | >>
| > | > | >> The only links to download a 64-bit version right now are pirate
| > | > links
| > | > | >> (not legit), unless you want to pay the fee for joining Technet
| > or
| > | > MSDN
| > | > | >> or get a MSFT Partner subscription (Action Pack) that includes
| > | > software.
| > | > | >> MSFT has said they will *sell via download from their sales site
| > on
| > | > | >> Tuesday. That's not what you want. MSFT has given you the
| > OS--you
| > | > just
| > | > | >> need a 64 bit DVD and you're home free. Borrow one or ask them
| > to
| > | > send
| > | > | >> you one.
| > | > | >>
| > | > | >> As I said
| > | > | >>
| > | > | >> 1) Either call MSFT and ask them if they'll send you a 64 bit
| > DVD.
| > | > You
| > | > | >> have the key from the Power Together mailing.
| > | > | >>
| > | > | >> 2) Find someone on your block, at work, or on your campus
| > whatever
| > | > who
| > | > | >> has a 64 bit Vista DVD and then use your key when it asks for a
| > key
| > | > and
| > | > | >> select 64 bit. Badda Bing.
| > | > | >>
| > | > | >> 3) Tuesday they roll out Vista. Go into a store or get one of
| > your
| > | > | >> friends who bought any edition besides ultimate to give you the
| > | > address
| > | > | >> for sending a 64 bit DVD.
| > | > | >>
| > | > | >> It's going to be posted on here when someone gets hold of that
| > | > address I
| > | > | >> guarantee you.
| > | > | >>
| > | > | >> Good luck,
| > | > | >>
| > | > | >> CH
| > | > | >>
| > | > | >> | > | > | >>>I received the "Power Together" copy for sitting through the
| > webcasts
| > | > by
| > | > | >>>Microsoft.
| > | > | >>> It is the Business Edition, which is fine but only X86 was sent.
| > | > | >>>
| > | > | >>> Perhaps someone could send me a link to D/L the X64 version?
| > | > | >>>
| > | > | >>> Thanks for all the replies.
| > | > | >>>
| > | > | >>> Gary
| > | > | >>>
| > | > | >>>
| > | > | >>> "Chad Harris" <fixvista-itneedsit.net> wrote in message
| > | > | >>> | > | > | >>>> You have to obtain it, and like I said what many of the Power
| > | > Together
| > | > | >>>> recipients have done is to obtain one from their friends who
| > have
| > | > X64.
| > | > | >>>> Right now this population is a bit limited to people who got
| > one
| > | > | >>>> through Beta testing, possibly MVP Beta Testing, MSDN, Technet,
| > | > | >>>> possibly borrowed one from their company, or advanced license
| > | > | >>>> purchase.
| > | > | >>>>
| > | > | >>>> However, come Tuesday, Vista and its many many bugs will turn
| > | > itself
| > | > | >>>> loose on a lot of countries and there will be more friends with
| > | > X64.
| > | > | >>>>
| > | > | >>>> Why MSFT is having a mial for X64 DVD in any edition but
| > Ultimate
| > | > is
| > | > | >>>> beyond the pale stupid.
| > | > | >>>>
| > | > | >>>> I've heard the cost argument, but if you're selling a damn OS
| > in a
| > | > | >>>> world that is rapidly going X64 with your leader Jim Allchin
| > | > | >>>> evangelizing on this very topic for the last two years, then
| > you
| > | > damn
| > | > | >>>> well owe it to your customer base to put an X64 DVD in their
| > | > packaging
| > | > | >>>> rather than to have some goofey "mail us" if you want to have
| > the
| > | > DVD
| > | > | >>>> that almost every new machine on sale is built for.
| > | > | >>>>
| > | > | >>>> This is even more compelling when you know that MSFT has
| > erected a
| > | > | >>>> framework to intimidate the people who aren't knwolegable about
| > the
| > | > | >>>> fact that their ridiculous rating system and their false and
| > | > inaccurate
| > | > | >>>> upgrade advisor are designed basically to sell new hardware and
| > | > | >>>> intimidate people toward getting new hardware that they don't
| > | > | >>>> necessarily need.
| > | > | >>>>
| > | > | >>>> I don't think anyone can deny that the Vista marketing has been
| > | > crafted
| > | > | >>>> to push more people into new hardware than ever before, and
| > I've
| > | > read a
| > | > | >>>> few thousand testamants with the tone that the hardware is
| > | > necessary to
| > | > | >>>> take advantage of Vista code and technology.
| > | > | >>>>
| > | > | >>>> If you have a GB of RAM and a 2GHz P4 CPU, and you know how to
| > take
| > | > | >>>> care of computer hygeine for speed, than you can every
| > conceivable
| > | > | >>>> feature in Vista and run it fast.
| > | > | >>>>
| > | > | >>>> You don't have to jump to 4GHz Dual Core or more, and if you
| > wait,
| > | > | >>>> you're going to get a helluva lot more bang for your buck in
| > this
| > | > | >>>> direction.
| > | > | >>>>
| > | > | >>>> CH
| > | > | >>>>
| > | > | >>>>
| > | > | >>>>
| > | > | >>>> | > | > | >>>>> You have to obtain an x64 dvd. How did you get your present
| > copy
| > | > of
| > | > | >>>>> Vista?
| > | > | >>>>>
| > | > | >>>>> | > | > | >>>>>> Is there a a way to get a disk that will allow me to switch
| > from
| > | > the
| > | > | >>>>>> X86 version to X64?
| > | > | >>>>>>
| > | > | >>>>>> CD key should work with either...but I prerfer the 64 bit
| > | > version.
| > | > | >>>>>>
| > | > | >>>>>> Where can one find the code for the 64 bit version?
| > | > | >>>>>>
| > | > | >>>>>> Just Curious
| > | > | >>>>>>
| > | > | >>>>>> Gary MCSE
| > | > | >>>>>
| > | > | >>>>
| > | > | >>>
| > | > | >>
| > | > | >
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