how to backup specific folders?

G

Guest

XP and old versions all had a way to backup specific folders, so I would
backup just my documents folder. Now Vista has no way to specify and wants to
back up the entire drive for restore.

this is great for drive manufacturers! but no so good for those of us who
know how to do backups.

any word on how to backup specific folders or if this is another reason to
stay with XP? Maybe the vista recommendation doc could specific buying a
second external drive 2x size of main drives to use backup feature?
 
J

Jill Zoeller [MSFT]

The Backup program in Windows Vista was designed for novice users who might
not necessarily know where their files (and other users' files) are located
on the computer. The Backup program instead backs up by file types, and you
can select the types of files you want to back up. You aren't by chance
using Complete PC Backup instead? Both are available in the Backup and
Restore Center but serve different
purposes.We have a chat transcript and other resources on Backup on our blog
http://blogs.technet.com/filecab/archive/tags/Backup/default.aspx.

We've heard lots of feedback from power users who miss the ability to back
up by location, and we are looking for ways to meet these users' needs in
the future. Our primary audience, though, is people who have never backed up
(sadly there are lots of them) and aren't savvy enough to know where all
their files are stored.
 
J

Jane C

Backup Files in the Backup and Restore Center does give the option to select
folders, after you have selected the drive that they are on. Documents,
Pictures etc are all selectable.
 
B

Brian Bradley

It is my understanding that even if you select specific folders to be backed
up in addition to file types, system files and exe files residing within the
named folders will not be backed up, because that's the way backup (AND
OneCare) are supposed to work.

I have a folder called "Software Library" wherein I keep downloaded aplets
and update packs and such. Many, many of the files in my Software Libary
folder are executables, so they do not get backed up.

Unless I am missing something, this leaves Vista's (AND OneCare's) backup
utility woefully inadequate, and I will have to find a third-party solution.

I wish I could keep using XP's built-in backup solution. It accomplished
everything I needed to accomplish, and worked well for me.

So tell me, anybody, have I missed something that will allow me to back up
exe files (among others) in folders that I have added to Vista's (AND
OneCare's) file types?

Thanks,
Brian
 
G

Guest

Where are you seeing this Jane?

On my RC2, after the list of file types, in "Change backup settings", it
jsut lists time, etc. then done.

Erol

BTW, according to Jill here (MSFT) she ackowledges that the Vista Ultimate
backup is for "novices" that don't know where there files are.
 
J

Jane C

Sorry, I think I misread the wizard.....it's not folders but file types via
the backup wizard.

Control Panel > System and Maintenance > Backup and Restore Center > Back up
files or your entire computer > Select Back up files > choose where you want
to save your backup > select disks to include in the backup >
select types of file to backup.

Definitely for those who don't know where there files are ;-) Now I know
why I don't trust backup wizards!!

I use that old method of copy/paste to manually back up my important stuff
onto a storage drive. No need to worry about proprietary storage formats or
incompatibilities with different operating systems then ;)
 
C

Chad Harris

Jill Zoeller said:
The Backup program in Windows Vista was designed for novice users who
might not necessarily know where their files (and other users' files) are
located on the computer. The Backup program instead backs up by file
types, and you can select the types of files you want to back up. You
aren't by chance using Complete PC Backup instead? Both are available in
the Backup and Restore Center but serve different
purposes.We have a chat transcript and other resources on Backup on our
blog http://blogs.technet.com/filecab/archive/tags/Backup/default.aspx.

We've heard lots of feedback from power users who miss the ability to back
up by location, and we are looking for ways to meet these users' needs in
the future. Our primary audience, though, is people who have never backed
up (sadly there are lots of them) and aren't savvy enough to know where
all their files are stored.



--
This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no
rights.

Want to learn more about Windows Server file and storage technologies?
Visit our team blog at http://blogs.technet.com/filecab/default.aspx.
 
C

Chad Harris

Two admirable causes recently mentioned here, advanced by MSFT in Vista, are
much needed--

1) The effort to get everyone who uses Windows to easily defrag since the
largest percentage of Windows users--the type not frequenting groups like
this, haven't been defragging and don't know what it is. That has been the
goal of the defrag team in automating defrag in Vista and making it easy and
in allowing its resource consumption to be user friendly, as Victoria House
pointed out in an earlier thread. Defragging is vitally important, and the
more boxes that are defragged often the better.

Users who want more features or efficiency than you could expect MSFT to
provide in Windows (including their cmd prompt defrag
switches/options/parameters) can use apps like Raxco's Perfect Disk whose
Manager of Technical Solutions Greg Hayes is one of about 6 file system
MVPs. A free trial is available at www.raxco.com for a Vista version of
Perfect Disk and a separate XP version.

http://www.raxco.com/new/pressreleases/GHayes_MVP_2006.pdf

There also is a free trial of Diskeeper at www.diskeeper.com

2) The effort to get everyone who uses Windows to back up as frequently as
they need to and automating backup as much as possible so that it is easy
for a beginner. It is estimated in different surveys that as many as
65-85% of Windows users don't backup for whatever reasons. Backup in Vista
has been made easy, and a less robust but very decent backup is also
provided in Win One Care. For whatever reason, most people who use Windows
have been daunted by backing up--again not the population that frequents
this group of course, but most Windows users.

See http://windowsonecare.spaces.live.com/

http://www.microsoft.com/windowsvista/community/backuprecovery.mspx

Charlie Russell MVP's Vista Backup Webcast
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/925734/en-us

Teched Complete PC Backup Features Video
http://www.microsoft.com/emea/itsshowtime/sessionh.aspx?videoid=219

CH
 
C

Chad Harris

Jane C--

I know you meant files and I know your posts are always very meticulous and
to the point and full of good /helpful information--except for the time you
dogmatically said you couldn't put Turtle Beach Santa Cruz on Vista and I
have been doing it on every build and the tunes sound great--in WMP and Nano
Media Player by Applesoft aka Nano don't wanna be a Zune Soon. I have
posted several times on this group how to install a TVSC sound driver on any
build of Vista--works through 5808 or whatever the boys and girls of
Redmonsoft throw at us.

Howevah Deah--

I don't know of any burning software of all the frequently used ones you and
I can find and all the free ones that have been named on these groups over
the course of the year that doesn't allow someone to browse to the file or
folder of their choice and every Windows user, including beginners can be
tauight how to use that browse button that is ubiquitous, systemic, and
fundamental to using Windows at any level properly.

One could backup easily simply using the intrinsic or native DVD writer in
Vista, or the native CD writer in XP, and that includes Win Mail/or OE and
that includes dragging .pst files as well for Outlook.

There are thousands of instructions on how to do this within a couple clicks
and keystrokes on a search engine, and although I just recognized MSFT's
efforts to make backup and defrag easy for beginners which was their
objective as Jill Zoeller and Victoria House of MSFT emphasized, anyone
using a computer needs to learn and should know that they can easily defrag
or backup a windows box or any other operating system box by typing the word
"defrag" and "backup" into a search engine followed by the name of the OS.
If they are too lazy to do that, with the exception of small toddlers using
a pc with the help of parents or someone older, then maybe they should find
another way of doing things that doesn't involve a pc.

If the schools who teach PC from the earliest possible level now aren't
teaching people to get off their butts and use a search engine, then this is
one more evidence of the "every child left behind most of the time" brand of
educations that I see so pervasive in the United States. One would hope the
Billy Gates' model schools and the schools in Boston/Seattle at least are
teaching it/

By the way for $200,000 Seattle paid for and got their new slogan. The City
of Seattle is now "metronatural." For less, I could have come up with 200
better slogans for them in a NY heartbeat. What a horribly lame slogan.
It's an instant parady for what is a neat area, and it doesn't sound like
"don't mess with Texas" [or we'll give you an Iraq].

Backup Resources for Windows Vista (and now Win One Care Live Beta 1.5 is
available for Vista and it has its own backup that is very respectable
although not as strong as the options in Vista, and a bargain in some stores
at $33 a pop for 3 licenses. There is a browse button in the WOC live
Backup that allows you to browse and include/drag files and backup to media
or another HD internal or external.

Try WOC Live Beta 1.5 for ole Vista:
http://ideas.live.com/programpage.aspx?versionId=b2456790-90e6-4d28-9219-5d7207d94d45

WOC Live File Backup
https://beta.windowsonecare.com/prodinfo/backuprestoredetails.aspx

CH


By the way for $200,000 Seattle paid for and got their new slogan. The City
of Seattle is now "metronatural." For less, I could have come up with 200
better slogans for them in a NY heartbeat. What a horribly lame slogan.
It's an instant parady for what is a neat area, and it doesn't sound like
"don't mess with Texas" [or we'll give you an Iraq].

I guess that means that Windows Vista is "Metronatural" too.
 
J

Jane C

Turtle Beach? That wasn't me ;-) If I remember correctly, it was Paula.

--
Jane, not plain ;) 64 bit enabled :)
Batteries not included. Braincell on vacation :)
Chad Harris said:
Jane C--

I know you meant files and I know your posts are always very meticulous
and to the point and full of good /helpful information--except for the
time you dogmatically said you couldn't put Turtle Beach Santa Cruz on
Vista and I have been doing it on every build and the tunes sound
great--in WMP and Nano Media Player by Applesoft aka Nano don't wanna be a
Zune Soon. I have posted several times on this group how to install a
TVSC sound driver on any build of Vista--works through 5808 or whatever
the boys and girls of Redmonsoft throw at us.

Howevah Deah--

I don't know of any burning software of all the frequently used ones you
and I can find and all the free ones that have been named on these groups
over the course of the year that doesn't allow someone to browse to the
file or folder of their choice and every Windows user, including beginners
can be tauight how to use that browse button that is ubiquitous, systemic,
and fundamental to using Windows at any level properly.

One could backup easily simply using the intrinsic or native DVD writer in
Vista, or the native CD writer in XP, and that includes Win Mail/or OE and
that includes dragging .pst files as well for Outlook.

There are thousands of instructions on how to do this within a couple
clicks and keystrokes on a search engine, and although I just recognized
MSFT's efforts to make backup and defrag easy for beginners which was
their objective as Jill Zoeller and Victoria House of MSFT emphasized,
anyone using a computer needs to learn and should know that they can
easily defrag or backup a windows box or any other operating system box by
typing the word "defrag" and "backup" into a search engine followed by the
name of the OS. If they are too lazy to do that, with the exception of
small toddlers using a pc with the help of parents or someone older, then
maybe they should find another way of doing things that doesn't involve a
pc.

If the schools who teach PC from the earliest possible level now aren't
teaching people to get off their butts and use a search engine, then this
is one more evidence of the "every child left behind most of the time"
brand of educations that I see so pervasive in the United States. One
would hope the Billy Gates' model schools and the schools in
Boston/Seattle at least are teaching it/

By the way for $200,000 Seattle paid for and got their new slogan. The
City of Seattle is now "metronatural." For less, I could have come up
with 200 better slogans for them in a NY heartbeat. What a horribly lame
slogan. It's an instant parady for what is a neat area, and it doesn't
sound like "don't mess with Texas" [or we'll give you an Iraq].

Backup Resources for Windows Vista (and now Win One Care Live Beta 1.5 is
available for Vista and it has its own backup that is very respectable
although not as strong as the options in Vista, and a bargain in some
stores at $33 a pop for 3 licenses. There is a browse button in the WOC
live Backup that allows you to browse and include/drag files and backup to
media or another HD internal or external.

Try WOC Live Beta 1.5 for ole Vista:
http://ideas.live.com/programpage.aspx?versionId=b2456790-90e6-4d28-9219-5d7207d94d45

WOC Live File Backup
https://beta.windowsonecare.com/prodinfo/backuprestoredetails.aspx

CH


By the way for $200,000 Seattle paid for and got their new slogan. The
City of Seattle is now "metronatural." For less, I could have come up
with 200 better slogans for them in a NY heartbeat. What a horribly lame
slogan. It's an instant parady for what is a neat area, and it doesn't
sound like "don't mess with Texas" [or we'll give you an Iraq].

I guess that means that Windows Vista is "Metronatural" too.
 
G

Guest

Yes Jane, regular copy would be OK if the most important file in the world,
Outlook, wasn't locked because the OS reads it. One must log out and go in as
Admin, then copy, then go back.

WIndows backup has shadow copy. This is awesome. Just PLEASE someone
encourage MSFT to let us choose folders for the final release!!

What testers are skilled enough to exercise a beta, give feedback, but don't
backup folders? This all seems very odd. What are the other 200,000 "pros"
that downloaded RC2 using out there?

Erol
----------------------------------------
 
E

Eric Furness

Yes Jane, regular copy would be OK if the most important file in the world,
Outlook, wasn't locked because the OS reads it. One must log out and go in as
Admin, then copy, then go back.

WIndows backup has shadow copy. This is awesome. Just PLEASE someone
encourage MSFT to let us choose folders for the final release!!

What testers are skilled enough to exercise a beta, give feedback, but don't
backup folders? This all seems very odd. What are the other 200,000 "pros"
that downloaded RC2 using out there?

Erol
Novastor. Also supports tape..
Not real expensive but must run as admin or with UAC off and in WinXP
compatability mode.
Eric
 
G

Guest

Lately you guys at Microsoft "amaze" me more and more with each new product
you release. What were you thinking when you designed this Backup Wizard?
Yes it's good for housewifes. But it's just a pile of trash for a users who
need for a bit more advanced functionality. Same goes to OneCare’s Backup
Wizard, as well. Gosh, and I thought the Backup Wizard in XP was not really
good. But now I would love to have the XP's Backup Wizard on Vista.

Thanks Microsoft, now in order to backup my project I'll have to look an buy
some third-party backup solution. This is so frustrating...
 
C

Chad Harris

Yury--

I don't know *why they did this. I think that they were sitting around in
the Longhorn Saloon tossing back a few too many shooters when they made the
backup and also this is very indicative of an attitude that I have been able
to ID at Redmond in the last two years that has always been
prevelant--contempt of MSFT at Redmond for their core customers they
perceive as really consummately stupid people who aren't discerning and will
accept anything. I think they look at the apathy in their own country the
US of people towards hemorrhage of money and lives and see that since they
don't respond at all except to shop, they figure they can slap anything
together and it won't be noticed. Here's exhibit "A" of that from Jill
Zoller [MSFT Redmond] from Jill's blog or is it blogue or blahog:

http://blogs.technet.com/filecab/pages/file-backup-in-windows-vista-faq.aspx

Monday, November 06, 2006 5:30 PM by cfsbloggers
File Backup in Windows Vista FAQ

From Ms. Jill Z:

"The new File Backup is too simple. Why didn’t you add more features, such
as location-based backup?
The file backup feature in Windows Vista is targeted at the core consumer
audience. To savvy users, it will appear quite simple, probably too simple
for you to use. For most consumers, however, it will hopefully be the right
balance of complexity and functionality to get them backing up their files,
which is something virtually none of them did in Windows XP, no matter how
capable the tool was."

Say what? What I don't see here from Jill is why in the world they perceive
the core consumer audience as too damn stupid to expand the browse when
there are literally hundreds of times when they are called upon to do just
that when working with Windows anything including Vista.

I think you're getting to the nitty gritty here of what lol or whom Jill Z.
considers "savvy." Not a helluva lot of people from what I've been reading.
Welcome to the Redmond campus where the slogan is

"like look dudes and dudettes just shedap and buy our stuff."

For example, in order to get a number of drivers to work for devices in
Vista, one absolutely has to browse to the location of the driver files
because if you try the same drivers that don't install readily by just
letting the wizard find them automatically 1) It won't 2) MSFT doesn't even
supply generic drivers for a ton of devices, older and current anyway.

One Care does let you browse to modify what they will include a bit.

Here's how I read this but possibly Jill Zoeller is a lot more of an English
aficianado than I might be:

"Our core consumer audience--yo they ain't savvy users. Why the hell do
you think those unwashed turkey masses might actually want to be discerning
enough to backup individual files. You really think they would be smart
enough to expand a tree in browse and find a file? Hey that might be like
me going into my purse and finding some gum. We don't want to put a big
strain on these morons. We just want them to put out $400 for each Vista
ultimate the little nuclear family wants and another $400-600 for each
Office they buy.

We also had the idea that if any of them built computers, we would park into
the EULA tough luck suckah but just because you want to add a GPU and the
PSU to run that better ATI or NVIDIA we ain't gonna letcha."

That was modified shortly before so called RTM but that's the only aspect so
far of the EULA that needs to be modified that has.

You're asking that the pig not be released with lipstick on it and
christened RTM. We asked them about this and bugged the hell out of it
since July 2005. And the response was--what the hell don't you understand
about our arrogance and our tin ears?

You can see a lot of MSFT synchophants on here who like to ignore things
like this that you have presciently underscored. Many of them are MVPs and
there means of backing up is to buy Ghost or Acronis or some other software
that takes an image.

The MS Backup in XP was a real ridiculous joke because it couldn't backup to
media at all.

Let Jill Zoeller know

(e-mail address removed)

Maybe Jill will explain why they chose to ignore the hundreds of bugs on
this very problem, and why people who were designated to make backup that
they have rhapsodized is so "like kuelll" left out this functionality from
the get go, and reminded of it, chose to ignore fixing it without any
coherent explanation of why.

CH

Let's focus on exactly who is and who isn't participating in sending people
to Iraq and if every single household is not willing to do that, and waste
time and lives, let's get the hell out now. Every day that this is
posponed is indicative of a stupid and indifferent people who refuse to let
their so called non-oversight practicing bribe taking self-indulgent
leadership all of whom don't have skin in the game in Iraq run their
treasure and country's lives and families right into the ground. If I were
a terrorist watching the spectacle of this stupidity, I'd be ecstatic.
__________________________________________________
 
Y

Yury Averkiev

That's a good article. Well I guess it's too late to scream about it, may be
in the next Windows version, around year 2010 they will include the
individual files/folders backup feature in the wizard.
I think Microsoft should stop investing millions of dollars in the Indian
developers, who are not so bright developers as they claim.

And in addition to all the troubles MS managed to broke Bluetooth headsets
support in the RTM build. oh well...

Chad Harris said:
Yury--

I don't know *why they did this. I think that they were sitting around in
the Longhorn Saloon tossing back a few too many shooters when they made
the backup and also this is very indicative of an attitude that I have
been able to ID at Redmond in the last two years that has always been
prevelant--contempt of MSFT at Redmond for their core customers they
perceive as really consummately stupid people who aren't discerning and
will accept anything. I think they look at the apathy in their own
country the US of people towards hemorrhage of money and lives and see
that since they don't respond at all except to shop, they figure they can
slap anything together and it won't be noticed. Here's exhibit "A" of
that from Jill Zoller [MSFT Redmond] from Jill's blog or is it blogue or
blahog:

http://blogs.technet.com/filecab/pages/file-backup-in-windows-vista-faq.aspx

Monday, November 06, 2006 5:30 PM by cfsbloggers
File Backup in Windows Vista FAQ

From Ms. Jill Z:

"The new File Backup is too simple. Why didn’t you add more features, such
as location-based backup?
The file backup feature in Windows Vista is targeted at the core consumer
audience. To savvy users, it will appear quite simple, probably too simple
for you to use. For most consumers, however, it will hopefully be the
right balance of complexity and functionality to get them backing up their
files, which is something virtually none of them did in Windows XP, no
matter how capable the tool was."

Say what? What I don't see here from Jill is why in the world they
perceive the core consumer audience as too damn stupid to expand the
browse when there are literally hundreds of times when they are called
upon to do just that when working with Windows anything including Vista.

I think you're getting to the nitty gritty here of what lol or whom Jill
Z. considers "savvy." Not a helluva lot of people from what I've been
reading. Welcome to the Redmond campus where the slogan is

"like look dudes and dudettes just shedap and buy our stuff."

For example, in order to get a number of drivers to work for devices in
Vista, one absolutely has to browse to the location of the driver files
because if you try the same drivers that don't install readily by just
letting the wizard find them automatically 1) It won't 2) MSFT doesn't
even supply generic drivers for a ton of devices, older and current
anyway.

One Care does let you browse to modify what they will include a bit.

Here's how I read this but possibly Jill Zoeller is a lot more of an
English aficianado than I might be:

"Our core consumer audience--yo they ain't savvy users. Why the hell do
you think those unwashed turkey masses might actually want to be
discerning enough to backup individual files. You really think they would
be smart enough to expand a tree in browse and find a file? Hey that
might be like me going into my purse and finding some gum. We don't want
to put a big strain on these morons. We just want them to put out $400
for each Vista ultimate the little nuclear family wants and another
$400-600 for each Office they buy.

We also had the idea that if any of them built computers, we would park
into the EULA tough luck suckah but just because you want to add a GPU and
the PSU to run that better ATI or NVIDIA we ain't gonna letcha."

That was modified shortly before so called RTM but that's the only aspect
so far of the EULA that needs to be modified that has.

You're asking that the pig not be released with lipstick on it and
christened RTM. We asked them about this and bugged the hell out of it
since July 2005. And the response was--what the hell don't you understand
about our arrogance and our tin ears?

You can see a lot of MSFT synchophants on here who like to ignore things
like this that you have presciently underscored. Many of them are MVPs
and there means of backing up is to buy Ghost or Acronis or some other
software that takes an image.

The MS Backup in XP was a real ridiculous joke because it couldn't backup
to media at all.

Let Jill Zoeller know

(e-mail address removed)

Maybe Jill will explain why they chose to ignore the hundreds of bugs on
this very problem, and why people who were designated to make backup that
they have rhapsodized is so "like kuelll" left out this functionality from
the get go, and reminded of it, chose to ignore fixing it without any
coherent explanation of why.

CH

Let's focus on exactly who is and who isn't participating in sending
people
to Iraq and if every single household is not willing to do that, and waste
time and lives, let's get the hell out now. Every day that this is
posponed is indicative of a stupid and indifferent people who refuse to
let
their so called non-oversight practicing bribe taking self-indulgent
leadership all of whom don't have skin in the game in Iraq run their
treasure and country's lives and families right into the ground. If I
were
a terrorist watching the spectacle of this stupidity, I'd be ecstatic.
__________________________________________________

Yury A. said:
Lately you guys at Microsoft "amaze" me more and more with each new
product
you release. What were you thinking when you designed this Backup Wizard?
Yes it's good for housewifes. But it's just a pile of trash for a users
who
need for a bit more advanced functionality. Same goes to OneCare’s Backup
Wizard, as well. Gosh, and I thought the Backup Wizard in XP was not
really
good. But now I would love to have the XP's Backup Wizard on Vista.

Thanks Microsoft, now in order to backup my project I'll have to look an
buy
some third-party backup solution. This is so frustrating...
 
C

Chad Harris

The Indians I have met from Redmond who are PMs are exceptionally bright and
I would only make that kind of assessment if I were a developer and knew
anything about development communities. One of the great sources of
frustration to me is that since I'm not a developer, I have a ton of ideas
for what should go where, how, when and what the Windows OS is doing that it
doesn't--and if I were a top notch developer I feel I would have more
empathy for it being dooable. I've seen allt he song and dance about time
constraints, and resources and yadayada but almost twelve years was enough
time to fix Device Manager and Six Years was enough to get this particular
feature dond--backup being normal instead of the way that the team who did
it chose to dumb it down. I don't know if File Core Services was
responsible for dumming it down because as Jill says, they're savvy at
Redmond and we're dumb as a rock, but I am going to make a guess it was the
team who did this to backup. Possibly they have the backup team named
something else non-intuitive 'cause nonintuitve from what I've watched on
the windows menus over the years is in at Redmond.

I haven't figured out why the Shell team made all programs so it doesn't
expand any more or didn't leave any options to do that. I'll have to try
to reghack that. That was another bug they completely ignored.

The shell team blogs at
http://shellrevealed.com/

and they have some cuties like the Background on Backgrounds

http://shellrevealed.com/blogs/shellblog/archive/2006/10/28/The-Background-on-Backgrounds.aspx

and I keep looking for the Background on Backgrounds on Backgrounds on
Backgrounds on Backgrounds

and then it could be these guys
http://blogs.msdn.com/PowerShell

who refused to let the All Programs menu retain the option to exapnd.

You might be able to link the blootooth problem during the seminal momemnt
when that team full of chemistry, Bill Gates and Queen Latifah who did the
MCE 2005 Launch because of Queen Latifah's great Windoz skills, had a moment
when the Queen turned to Bill and said "Hey Bill can you get me one of
these?"

MFST has an aversion to anything that remotely they can link with DRM
because they want to make sure you get DRM scerwed anorgasmically of course.

They give as an excuse that MCE has never been allowed to join a domain even
thought it has a number of XP Pro elements and now I supposed Vista Pro or
Vista Amatuer or whoops I forgot Jill Zoeller says I have "Vista not Savvy
Novice Dumbass." I like that name for my edition. VNSNDA yep.

The prime reason that MCE (which is still a fraction of pcs on the planet
though sales jumped 40% with MCE 2005 and Bill Gates said and I quote "it
would change the face of computing") can't join a domain is all about DRM
protection in fact. That is precisely why they elected to do it.

But hey, this is the company who just released Zune so that it doesn't
support Windows Vista which I also heard by the grapevine they happened to
release right about the time of Zune and they also came up with their own
propitiary new music platform which of course is not WMP--you remember
Windows Media Player 11 don't you, that's the team Zach Robertson is
on--they have that in Vista and for XP but Zune does not support it. Then
if you really remember you remember MSFT came out with Plays for Sure.
Let's look at how they screwed people on Plays for Sure with ole Zune which
I renamed Ipod/Nano's Best Friend from MSFT. It's going to do wonders for
Ipod sales.

Protected WMA songs bought in online stores other than the Zune store—those
"PlaysForSure" DRM songs—won't play on Zune. Zune is not a PlaysForSure
device . The Zune devices works with the Zune software, not with Windows
Media Player or Napster or iTunes or anything else. MSFT wants as always to
have complete control of the Zune experience, not shudder the non-savvy
dumbass customers.

If Zune were PFS compatible and worked with Media Player 11, it would also
work with Napster and MusicMatch and if a customer used MusicMatch with
their Zune, then Microsoft would not be in charge of
changes/updates/improvements to that customer's PC software.

You don't though MSFT doesn't showcase this have to be a Zune owner to
download Zune software and that's here, but again talk about Nuts to the
64th degree--ole Zune doesn't install on ole Vista. LOL Psst Zunesters psst
J Allard can you name the new RTM'd OS that Jim Allchin your homeboy is
blogging exhuberantly about that you didn't allow Zune to install on? WOW
on WOW. I know it will at some public Vista launch on Jan 30 but in my
country Vista is coming into stores in 6 days.
http://www.zune.net/en-us/meetzune/software.htm

If MSFT starts offering points instead of money for doing wireless sharing,
well, I never ever underestimate the Redmond campus's ability to take
goofey to new levels.

One wonders what those Zune focus groups in Seattle outside Redmond were
smoking.

Popular video formats like MPEG-4 (simple profile and H.264) and DivX/XviD.
Videos on a Zune look like hell viewed on a TV using Home A/V Pack accessory
or an Xbox 360 to view the videos on your Zune on a TV.

I am the poster child for Vista Not Savvy Novice Dumbass. I just wrote that
on my pc with a magic marker in gothic letters.

CH

Bush administration ( big chickens who never served in the armed forces and
whose kids don't go near serving who have set up a system where the kids and
people up throught grandmothers and grandfathers some serving their fifty
tour who get killed are predominantly blacks and Hispanics from small towns
accross the US--other countrys buying into the wasteful chaos and financial
hemorrhage too) is said to be secretly negotiating with Suni gorilla groups
to get out of FIASCO IRAQ, now that the focus ahas tuyrned on the fact that
none of the talking heads on TV in America ever served in any capacity in
the Armed forces with the exception of the Generals who are singing like a
flipped snitch but kept silent while they had a chance to actually do
anything about the fiasco or the disastrous Bremmer and Rumsfield and
Cheney. It won't stop the civil war that is now raging in Iran controlled
Iraq.



Yury Averkiev said:
That's a good article. Well I guess it's too late to scream about it, may
be in the next Windows version, around year 2010 they will include the
individual files/folders backup feature in the wizard.
I think Microsoft should stop investing millions of dollars in the Indian
developers, who are not so bright developers as they claim.

And in addition to all the troubles MS managed to broke Bluetooth headsets
support in the RTM build. oh well...

Chad Harris said:
Yury--

I don't know *why they did this. I think that they were sitting around
in the Longhorn Saloon tossing back a few too many shooters when they
made the backup and also this is very indicative of an attitude that I
have been able to ID at Redmond in the last two years that has always
been prevelant--contempt of MSFT at Redmond for their core customers they
perceive as really consummately stupid people who aren't discerning and
will accept anything. I think they look at the apathy in their own
country the US of people towards hemorrhage of money and lives and see
that since they don't respond at all except to shop, they figure they can
slap anything together and it won't be noticed. Here's exhibit "A" of
that from Jill Zoller [MSFT Redmond] from Jill's blog or is it blogue or
blahog:

http://blogs.technet.com/filecab/pages/file-backup-in-windows-vista-faq.aspx

Monday, November 06, 2006 5:30 PM by cfsbloggers
File Backup in Windows Vista FAQ

From Ms. Jill Z:

"The new File Backup is too simple. Why didn’t you add more features,
such as location-based backup?
The file backup feature in Windows Vista is targeted at the core consumer
audience. To savvy users, it will appear quite simple, probably too
simple for you to use. For most consumers, however, it will hopefully be
the right balance of complexity and functionality to get them backing up
their files, which is something virtually none of them did in Windows XP,
no matter how capable the tool was."

Say what? What I don't see here from Jill is why in the world they
perceive the core consumer audience as too damn stupid to expand the
browse when there are literally hundreds of times when they are called
upon to do just that when working with Windows anything including Vista.

I think you're getting to the nitty gritty here of what lol or whom Jill
Z. considers "savvy." Not a helluva lot of people from what I've been
reading. Welcome to the Redmond campus where the slogan is

"like look dudes and dudettes just shedap and buy our stuff."

For example, in order to get a number of drivers to work for devices in
Vista, one absolutely has to browse to the location of the driver files
because if you try the same drivers that don't install readily by just
letting the wizard find them automatically 1) It won't 2) MSFT doesn't
even supply generic drivers for a ton of devices, older and current
anyway.

One Care does let you browse to modify what they will include a bit.

Here's how I read this but possibly Jill Zoeller is a lot more of an
English aficianado than I might be:

"Our core consumer audience--yo they ain't savvy users. Why the hell do
you think those unwashed turkey masses might actually want to be
discerning enough to backup individual files. You really think they
would be smart enough to expand a tree in browse and find a file? Hey
that might be like me going into my purse and finding some gum. We don't
want to put a big strain on these morons. We just want them to put out
$400 for each Vista ultimate the little nuclear family wants and another
$400-600 for each Office they buy.

We also had the idea that if any of them built computers, we would park
into the EULA tough luck suckah but just because you want to add a GPU
and the PSU to run that better ATI or NVIDIA we ain't gonna letcha."

That was modified shortly before so called RTM but that's the only aspect
so far of the EULA that needs to be modified that has.

You're asking that the pig not be released with lipstick on it and
christened RTM. We asked them about this and bugged the hell out of it
since July 2005. And the response was--what the hell don't you understand
about our arrogance and our tin ears?

You can see a lot of MSFT synchophants on here who like to ignore things
like this that you have presciently underscored. Many of them are MVPs
and there means of backing up is to buy Ghost or Acronis or some other
software that takes an image.

The MS Backup in XP was a real ridiculous joke because it couldn't backup
to media at all.

Let Jill Zoeller know

(e-mail address removed)

Maybe Jill will explain why they chose to ignore the hundreds of bugs on
this very problem, and why people who were designated to make backup that
they have rhapsodized is so "like kuelll" left out this functionality
from the get go, and reminded of it, chose to ignore fixing it without
any coherent explanation of why.

CH

Let's focus on exactly who is and who isn't participating in sending
people
to Iraq and if every single household is not willing to do that, and
waste
time and lives, let's get the hell out now. Every day that this is
posponed is indicative of a stupid and indifferent people who refuse to
let
their so called non-oversight practicing bribe taking self-indulgent
leadership all of whom don't have skin in the game in Iraq run their
treasure and country's lives and families right into the ground. If I
were
a terrorist watching the spectacle of this stupidity, I'd be ecstatic.
__________________________________________________

Yury A. said:
Lately you guys at Microsoft "amaze" me more and more with each new
product
you release. What were you thinking when you designed this Backup
Wizard?
Yes it's good for housewifes. But it's just a pile of trash for a users
who
need for a bit more advanced functionality. Same goes to OneCare’s
Backup
Wizard, as well. Gosh, and I thought the Backup Wizard in XP was not
really
good. But now I would love to have the XP's Backup Wizard on Vista.

Thanks Microsoft, now in order to backup my project I'll have to look an
buy
some third-party backup solution. This is so frustrating...



:

XP and old versions all had a way to backup specific folders, so I
would
backup just my documents folder. Now Vista has no way to specify and
wants to
back up the entire drive for restore.

this is great for drive manufacturers! but no so good for those of us
who
know how to do backups.

any word on how to backup specific folders or if this is another reason
to
stay with XP? Maybe the vista recommendation doc could specific buying
a
second external drive 2x size of main drives to use backup feature?
 
D

Dale

You would do better to focus on the problem rather than demonstrating your
own bigotry. Actually, most Indian developers are very bright, just like
American developers - and perhaps even more so. Many Indian high schools
have computer science programs giving high school graduates the same
training our college degreed computer scientists have while our own high
schools in the United States teach basic keyboarding skills and, if the kids
are lucky, how to use Word.

What you should be more concerned about in regards the overseas developer
situation is how big business takes advantage of the poverty in other
nations to enslave their workers at wages so low that they would never get
away with paying that wage here in the United States. Overseas workers are
not the problem - they are underpaid victims. And that is whether they are
being underpaid to make clothes in a textile sweatshop or underpaid to
develop software.

Dale

Yury Averkiev said:
That's a good article. Well I guess it's too late to scream about it, may
be in the next Windows version, around year 2010 they will include the
individual files/folders backup feature in the wizard.
I think Microsoft should stop investing millions of dollars in the Indian
developers, who are not so bright developers as they claim.

And in addition to all the troubles MS managed to broke Bluetooth headsets
support in the RTM build. oh well...

Chad Harris said:
Yury--

I don't know *why they did this. I think that they were sitting around
in the Longhorn Saloon tossing back a few too many shooters when they
made the backup and also this is very indicative of an attitude that I
have been able to ID at Redmond in the last two years that has always
been prevelant--contempt of MSFT at Redmond for their core customers they
perceive as really consummately stupid people who aren't discerning and
will accept anything. I think they look at the apathy in their own
country the US of people towards hemorrhage of money and lives and see
that since they don't respond at all except to shop, they figure they can
slap anything together and it won't be noticed. Here's exhibit "A" of
that from Jill Zoller [MSFT Redmond] from Jill's blog or is it blogue or
blahog:

http://blogs.technet.com/filecab/pages/file-backup-in-windows-vista-faq.aspx

Monday, November 06, 2006 5:30 PM by cfsbloggers
File Backup in Windows Vista FAQ

From Ms. Jill Z:

"The new File Backup is too simple. Why didn’t you add more features,
such as location-based backup?
The file backup feature in Windows Vista is targeted at the core consumer
audience. To savvy users, it will appear quite simple, probably too
simple for you to use. For most consumers, however, it will hopefully be
the right balance of complexity and functionality to get them backing up
their files, which is something virtually none of them did in Windows XP,
no matter how capable the tool was."

Say what? What I don't see here from Jill is why in the world they
perceive the core consumer audience as too damn stupid to expand the
browse when there are literally hundreds of times when they are called
upon to do just that when working with Windows anything including Vista.

I think you're getting to the nitty gritty here of what lol or whom Jill
Z. considers "savvy." Not a helluva lot of people from what I've been
reading. Welcome to the Redmond campus where the slogan is

"like look dudes and dudettes just shedap and buy our stuff."

For example, in order to get a number of drivers to work for devices in
Vista, one absolutely has to browse to the location of the driver files
because if you try the same drivers that don't install readily by just
letting the wizard find them automatically 1) It won't 2) MSFT doesn't
even supply generic drivers for a ton of devices, older and current
anyway.

One Care does let you browse to modify what they will include a bit.

Here's how I read this but possibly Jill Zoeller is a lot more of an
English aficianado than I might be:

"Our core consumer audience--yo they ain't savvy users. Why the hell do
you think those unwashed turkey masses might actually want to be
discerning enough to backup individual files. You really think they
would be smart enough to expand a tree in browse and find a file? Hey
that might be like me going into my purse and finding some gum. We don't
want to put a big strain on these morons. We just want them to put out
$400 for each Vista ultimate the little nuclear family wants and another
$400-600 for each Office they buy.

We also had the idea that if any of them built computers, we would park
into the EULA tough luck suckah but just because you want to add a GPU
and the PSU to run that better ATI or NVIDIA we ain't gonna letcha."

That was modified shortly before so called RTM but that's the only aspect
so far of the EULA that needs to be modified that has.

You're asking that the pig not be released with lipstick on it and
christened RTM. We asked them about this and bugged the hell out of it
since July 2005. And the response was--what the hell don't you understand
about our arrogance and our tin ears?

You can see a lot of MSFT synchophants on here who like to ignore things
like this that you have presciently underscored. Many of them are MVPs
and there means of backing up is to buy Ghost or Acronis or some other
software that takes an image.

The MS Backup in XP was a real ridiculous joke because it couldn't backup
to media at all.

Let Jill Zoeller know

(e-mail address removed)

Maybe Jill will explain why they chose to ignore the hundreds of bugs on
this very problem, and why people who were designated to make backup that
they have rhapsodized is so "like kuelll" left out this functionality
from the get go, and reminded of it, chose to ignore fixing it without
any coherent explanation of why.

CH

Let's focus on exactly who is and who isn't participating in sending
people
to Iraq and if every single household is not willing to do that, and
waste
time and lives, let's get the hell out now. Every day that this is
posponed is indicative of a stupid and indifferent people who refuse to
let
their so called non-oversight practicing bribe taking self-indulgent
leadership all of whom don't have skin in the game in Iraq run their
treasure and country's lives and families right into the ground. If I
were
a terrorist watching the spectacle of this stupidity, I'd be ecstatic.
__________________________________________________

Yury A. said:
Lately you guys at Microsoft "amaze" me more and more with each new
product
you release. What were you thinking when you designed this Backup
Wizard?
Yes it's good for housewifes. But it's just a pile of trash for a users
who
need for a bit more advanced functionality. Same goes to OneCare’s
Backup
Wizard, as well. Gosh, and I thought the Backup Wizard in XP was not
really
good. But now I would love to have the XP's Backup Wizard on Vista.

Thanks Microsoft, now in order to backup my project I'll have to look an
buy
some third-party backup solution. This is so frustrating...



:

XP and old versions all had a way to backup specific folders, so I
would
backup just my documents folder. Now Vista has no way to specify and
wants to
back up the entire drive for restore.

this is great for drive manufacturers! but no so good for those of us
who
know how to do backups.

any word on how to backup specific folders or if this is another reason
to
stay with XP? Maybe the vista recommendation doc could specific buying
a
second external drive 2x size of main drives to use backup feature?
 
D

Dale

Interesting article. While Microsoft keeps saying the simplification of the
UI in Vista and WMP11 is targeted to the core customer, I disagree. The
core customer are those 500 million or so who have used Windows for years
and know how to do many of the things Microsoft took out in the name of
simplification.

What they're really after are the billions of people who don't use PCs at
all. They know that you and I are going to use Windows forever. We're
stuck. The simplifications are targeted at those who currently think
computers are too complicated. Instead of taking skill to use a computer,
the goal is to eliminate the intimidation that keeps 4+ billion people from
buying Windows.

Dale
 
D

deebs

I'd guess that it is up to the 4+ billion to make up their own minds unless
someone has been delegated to speak on their behalf?
 

Ask a Question

Want to reply to this thread or ask your own question?

You'll need to choose a username for the site, which only take a couple of moments. After that, you can post your question and our members will help you out.

Ask a Question

Top