How Much RAM?

[Justin]

Using PAE will allow Windows to use more then 4GB even on 32bit systems.

 

[Robert Moir]

Using PAE will allow Windows to use more then 4GB even on 32bit systems.

Well yes. As I said:
"while other solutions have been tried (and are still in use on some other
OSes), these have problems of their own"

http://www.microsoft.com/whdc/system/platform/server/PAE/pae_os.mspx#EID
http://www.microsoft.com/whdc/system/platform/server/PAE/PAEdrv.mspx#E2D

In fact, it appears that Microsoft have turned off the ability to use
extended memory support via PAE in Vista, if not XP SP2 as well, probably
because of the issues mentioned above; while you can be sure that a properly
built server platform can cope with these issues by using decent hardware,
you can't say the same about some of the awful dogs pretending to be desktop
hardware out there.

So as I was saying, the best long term solution is a move towards 64 bit
OSes.

 

[Andre Da Costa[ActiveWin]]

Jus the fact that it will be the main stream platform within the next few
years.

 

[Spanky deMonkey]

My old DOS machine had 32K. So what?

Meanwhile, Elive Linux lives quite happily on a P166 with 64mb.

 

[Spanky deMonkey]

So now we are turning this into a Linux forum? Maybe I should talk about my
Grandfathers colostomy troubles.

IN DETAIL

 

[miss-information]

Why would you be posting in a Vista newsgroup?
m

Why would anyone use such an inferior product when this one is available
for
FREE and is far more capable and requires far far less resources and
horsepower to run?

 

[Justin]

Well yes. As I said:
"while other solutions have been tried (and are still in use on some other
OSes), these have problems of their own"

What problems? None of my 16GB Windows SQL machines have any problems using
memory above 4GB.

 

[Doris Day]

Why would you be posting in a Vista newsgroup?
m

I believe in fighting MickeyMouse Fanboy FUD and saving people money that
they have worked hard for. Got a problem with that? Then take it up with
your therapist.

Love and Kisses,
Doris

 

[Robert Moir]

What problems?

Are the two links I posted not working at your end? I'm sorry if that's the
case but they work here.

None of my 16GB Windows SQL machines have any problems using memory above
4GB.

Oh I get it. You're saying that because you personally haven't seen problems
on your servers, problems must not exist. I've built servers to a similar
scale and used PAE just fine. I've also been asked to troubleshoot problems
other people have experienced with similar setups. The hardware
compatability problem is real. The performance loss (compared to using a
'proper 64 bit OS' is obvious if you read how PAE is actually implemented.

I seem to be repeating myself a lot in my replies to you. One more time just
for you then: As I already said "a properly built server platform can cope
with these issues by using decent hardware, you can't say the same about
some of the awful dogs pretending to be desktop hardware out there."

There are plenty of reports of people in these newsgroups who have had
problems with this (and indeed with using 64 bit OSes on 64 bit chips) on
some of the cheap nasty desktop systems you can buy out there. The fact that
you've not seen those issues on a server doesn't mean they don't exist, it
just means you've been both smart and possibly lucky up till now.

 

[Justin]

Are the two links I posted not working at your end? I'm sorry if that's
the case but they work here.

I completely glossed over them. I see them now.

Oh I get it. You're saying that because you personally haven't seen
problems on your servers, problems must not exist.

Is that what you got from my post? Wow.

I seem to be repeating myself a lot in my replies to you. One more time
just for you then: As I already said "a properly built server platform can
cope with these issues by using decent hardware, you can't say the same
about some of the awful dogs pretending to be desktop hardware out there."

Repeating yourself? This is the first time you made a distinction between
server level and desktop level quality.

There are plenty of reports of people in these newsgroups who have had
problems with this (and indeed with using 64 bit OSes on 64 bit chips) on
some of the cheap nasty desktop systems you can buy out there. The fact
that you've not seen those issues on a server doesn't mean they don't
exist, it just means you've been both smart and possibly lucky up till
now.

Ok, now that you've made that smartass comment twice, I'm assuming you've
read where I missed the links. So, moving forward... the main and, from
what I can tell, ONLY problems are mainboards that are unable to handle PAE
or a certain amount of memory. I still do not see the problem. Mainboards
advertise how much memory the can handle. If they can't handle it then
return the DEFECTIVE board and stay away from that company. If Dell
advertises that a machine can handle 16GB then it can handle 16GB. I would
be very interested in having someone point me in the direction of a
mainboard that claims 4GB or 8GB of memory that in fact can not handle it.