How do I cure slow start up?

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Chris Mitchell

I have an HP Pavilion t775UK PC that is about 4-5 years old and is now
taking an age to boot and I see the Windows splash screen 2/3 times.

I've cleared out as much as I dare using msconfig StartUp, but I suspect the
problem lies elsewhere, perhaps a bloated registry, not an area I like to
dabble in. I have defragged the disk and downloaded and installed all
updates over the years, but have never re-installed Windows XP which I
understand might help solve the problem. I don't know how to do this and it
is another area I'm wary of. The PC has a partitioned drive which is
supposed to make doing this easy and safeguard my data, but I'm paranoid.

What is the best way to go about improving boot times. As you may have
gathered this is not an area I am comfortable with, so I would like to start
with the simple steps, develop my understanding, then possibly move on to
the more complex/dangerous options.

TIA
Chris
 
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Ron Badour

How much did you dare clear out of the startup tab? There are very few
items that actually have to be started at boot--google the entries and see
what can be disabled. For example, many entries make it easier to change
settings with a tray icon which is usually convenient, not necessary. Lots
of programs check for updates--most are not needed as you will get notified
in other ways that you need an update.

Uninstall unused programs to create more room on the hard drive. Use the
disk clean up tool (cleanmgr.exe) to get rid of useless files. Then defrag
the disk.

Make sure your PC is clear of viruses, Trojans and malware by using an up to
date anti virus program and a program such as
Malwarebyte's Anti-Malware which is a very good free program, that can be
downloaded from here:

http://www.download.com/Malwarebyte...l-10804572&subj=dl&tag=button&cdlPid=10997763

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Ron Badour
MS MVP
Windows Desktop Experience
 
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Bod

Chris said:
I have an HP Pavilion t775UK PC that is about 4-5 years old and is now
taking an age to boot and I see the Windows splash screen 2/3 times.

I've cleared out as much as I dare using msconfig StartUp, but I suspect the
problem lies elsewhere, perhaps a bloated registry, not an area I like to
dabble in. I have defragged the disk and downloaded and installed all
updates over the years, but have never re-installed Windows XP which I
understand might help solve the problem. I don't know how to do this and it
is another area I'm wary of. The PC has a partitioned drive which is
supposed to make doing this easy and safeguard my data, but I'm paranoid.

What is the best way to go about improving boot times. As you may have
gathered this is not an area I am comfortable with, so I would like to start
with the simple steps, develop my understanding, then possibly move on to
the more complex/dangerous options.

TIA
Chris

If it's registry clutter,you could try CCleaner(link below).
It has a registry cleaner as well as a crap cleaner. I've used
it for years,it's free and very good.

Bod
 
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Chris Mitchell

Thanks Ron.

I've been around the Google loop to disable those I don't want.

I have Norton Anti Virus which is kept up to date, so I don't think Trojans,
viri or malware are the issue.

I've also got CCleaner, and Spybot which I've run but it's still awfully
slow to boot.

Bloated registry was just a guess on my part.
 
C

Chris Mitchell

Thanks Bod.

I've already got CCleaner and used it.

I've also got and used Spybot and Norton Internet Security which is up to
date but PC is still v slow to boot.

Anyone got any other ideas?
 
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Bod

Chris said:
Thanks Bod.

I've already got CCleaner and used it.

I've also got and used Spybot and Norton Internet Security which is up to
date but PC is still v slow to boot.

Anyone got any other ideas?
I trust you've tried a diagnostic startup on the System Config Utility
in Msconfig and all the startup options in the same?
If not,it might give you a clue.


Bod
 
J

John7

Chris Mitchell said:
I have an HP Pavilion t775UK PC that is about 4-5 years old and is now
taking an age to boot and I see the Windows splash screen 2/3 times.

I've cleared out as much as I dare using msconfig StartUp, but I suspect
the problem lies elsewhere, perhaps a bloated registry, not an area I like
to dabble in. I have defragged the disk and downloaded and installed all
updates over the years, but have never re-installed Windows XP which I
understand might help solve the problem. I don't know how to do this and
it is another area I'm wary of. The PC has a partitioned drive which is
supposed to make doing this easy and safeguard my data, but I'm paranoid.

What is the best way to go about improving boot times. As you may have
gathered this is not an area I am comfortable with, so I would like to
start with the simple steps, develop my understanding, then possibly move
on to the more complex/dangerous options.

TIA
Chris


PC's slowing down is a process over years. As there are several sources,
software and hardware related, there is no general single fix for this.
The first two posts already cover some major sources.
Next, check the PC working memory (RAM). WinXP + SP2/3 requires
at least 512MB to run smooth. More is better.
Run the www.crucial.com Scanner to see what you have and what upgrades are
possible.
Run CCleaner in all accounts.
Reduce WinXP System Restore space to 1.5GB max. This may free severals GB's.
If you do not use Hibernation mode, remove the hybernate file at the C:
root.
Run disk check on all disks / partitions. Only when error free: run
Defragmentation.
Consider moving the Virtual Memory file to another disk.
Make sure the CPU fan is dust free. Overheated CPU's start to throttle
speed.
Run the disk surface checker from www.hdtune.com
Damaged disk surface may slow down the pc because of the many read retries.
Search for links to not attached disks / memory cards / network sources.
Windows will try to access these and waits until a timeout occurres.

HTH,
John7
 
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Bod

Keith said:
That would be the first thing to go in my book. Terrible resource hog.
Get a free one like Comodo.

I tend to agree,I've used Avast for many years,not only is it free,but
it is also better than Norton (IMHO).It is also not bloated,unlike Norton.

Bod
 
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Singapore Computer Service

Hello,

It is possible that your hard disk is running in PIO mode.

To verify:

Start > Control Panel > System > Hardware > Device Manager > double-click
IDE ATA/ATAPI controllers > double-click Primary IDE Channel > Advanced
Settings

If it shows PIO mode in 'current transfer mode' (not Transfer Mode), then
you have this issue. Click Cancel > Right-Click Primary IDE Channel >
Uninstall > OK > Restart system

Also check Secondary IDE Channel as well instead of Primary IDE Channel.

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Ken Blake, MVP

I have a number of comments, interspersed below.


I have an HP Pavilion t775UK PC that is about 4-5 years old and is now
taking an age to boot


Exactly how long is that "age"?

and I see the Windows splash screen 2/3 times.

I've cleared out as much as I dare using msconfig StartUp,



Exactly what did you get rid of using msconfig? What remains that you
did not clear out?

but I suspect the
problem lies elsewhere, perhaps a bloated registry,


Definitely not. The size of the registry affects neither your boot
time, nor performance in general.


not an area I like to
dabble in. I have defragged the disk and downloaded and installed all
updates over the years, but have never re-installed Windows XP which I
understand might help solve the problem.



No! Here's my standard post on that subject:

In my view, it's usually a mistake. With a modicum of care, it should
never be necessary to reinstall Windows (XP or any other version).
I've run Windows 3.0, 3.1, WFWG 3.11, Windows 95, Windows 98, Windows
2000, Windows XP, and now Windows Vista, each for the period of time
before the next version came out, and each on two or more machines
here. I never reinstalled any of them, and I have never had anything
more than an occasional minor problem.

It's my belief that this mistaken notion stems from the technical
support people at many of the larger OEMs. Their solution to almost
any problem they don't quickly know the answer to is "reformat and
reinstall." That's the perfect solution for them. It gets you off the
phone quickly, it almost always works, and it doesn't require them to
do any real troubleshooting (a skill that most of them obviously don't
possess in any great degree).

But it leaves you with all the work and all the problems. You have to
restore all your data backups, you have to reinstall all your
programs, you have to reinstall all the Windows and application
updates, you have to locate and install all the needed drivers for
your system, you have to recustomize Windows and all your apps to work
the way you're comfortable with.

Besides all those things being time-consuming and troublesome, you may
have trouble with some of them: can you find all your application CDs?
Can you find all the needed installation codes? Do you have data
backups to restore? Do you even remember all the customizations and
tweaks you may have installed to make everything work the way you
like? Occasionally there are problems that are so difficult to solve
that Windows should be reinstalled cleanly. But they are few and far
between; reinstallation should not be a substitute for
troubleshooting; it should be a last resort, to be done only after all
other attempts at troubleshooting by a qualified person have failed.

And perhaps most important: if you reformat and reinstall without
finding out what caused your problem, you will very likely repeat the
behavior that caused it, and quickly find yourself back in exactly the
same situation.



I don't know how to do this and it
is another area I'm wary of. The PC has a partitioned drive which is
supposed to make doing this easy and safeguard my data, but I'm paranoid.


You mean you have your data on a second partition, rather than on the
same partition as Windows? There can sometimes be good reasons for
doing that, but if you are doing it with the thought that it
safeguards your data, you are almost certainly making a very serious
mistake. Doing that suggests that you do not do any backups, and it
leaves you susceptible to simultaneous loss of the original and backup
to many of the most common dangers: hard drive crashes, severe power
glitches, nearby lightning strikes, virus attacks, even theft of the
computer.

If your data is important to you, you need to protect it against all
dangers by backup to external media. Separating it in a partition by
itself is not real protection at all.

You can read my thoughts on both partitioning and backup in these two
articles I recently wrote:

http://www.computorcompanion.com/LPMArticle.asp?ID=326
http://www.computorcompanion.com/LPMArticle.asp?ID=314


What is the best way to go about improving boot times. As you may have
gathered this is not an area I am comfortable with, so I would like to start
with the simple steps, develop my understanding, then possibly move on to
the more complex/dangerous options.


My personal view is that the attention many people pay to how long it
takes to boot is unwarranted. Assuming that the computer's speed is
otherwise satisfactory, it may not be worth worrying about. Most
people start their computers once a day or even less frequently. In
the overall scheme of things, even a few minutes to start up isn't
very important. Personally I power on my computer when I get up in the
morning, then go get my coffee. When I come back, it's done booting. I
don't know how long it took to boot and I don't care.

However if you do want to address it, it may be because of what
programs start automatically, and you may want to stop some of them
from starting that way. On each program you don't want to start
automatically, check its Options to see if it has the choice not to
start (make sure you actually choose the option not to run it, not
just a "don't show icon" option). Many can easily and best be stopped
that way. If that doesn't work, run MSCONFIG from the Start | Run
line, and on the Startup tab, uncheck the programs you don't want to
start automatically.

However, if I were you, I wouldn't do this just for the purpose of
running the minimum number of programs. Despite what many people tell
you, you should be concerned, not with how *many* of these programs
you run, but *which*. Some of them can hurt performance severely, but
others have no effect on performance.

Don't just stop programs from running willy-nilly. What you should do
is determine what each program is, what its value is to you, and what
the cost in performance is of its running all the time. You can get
more information about these with google searches and asking about
specifics here.

Once you have that information, you can make an intelligent informed
decision about what you want to keep and what you want to get rid of.


And one final point: what causes a slow startup is often malware
infection. You say in another message in this thread "I have Norton
Anti Virus which is kept up to date, so I don't think Trojans,
viri or malware are the issue. I've also got CCleaner, and Spybot
which I've run but it's still awfully slow to boot."

Several points here:

1. Norton Anti-Virus is the single worst security software available.
It provides some protection, but less than many other better choices.

2. Norton Anti-Virus is itself at least partly responsible for your
slow startup.

3. Norton Anti-Virus is an anti-virus program, and does nothing to
protect you against several other forms of malware, such as spyware.

4. CCleaner is generally a good program, but most of what it does
won't affect your startup time. One particular component of CCleaner
is not good, and should never be run; that's its registry cleaner.
Registry cleaning programs are *all* snake oil. Cleaning of the
registry isn't needed and is dangerous. Leave the registry alone and
don't use any registry cleaner. Despite what many people think, and
what vendors of registry cleaning software try to convince you of,
having unused registry entries doesn't really hurt you.

The risk of a serious problem caused by a registry cleaner erroneously
removing an entry you need is far greater than any potential benefit
it may have.

Read http://www.edbott.com/weblog/archives/000643.html


5. Spybot Search & Destroy is an anti-spyware program, but not one of
the better ones. Moreover no single anti-virus program is perfect, and
it's wise to run two or more (but not at the same time).

So I recommend that you replace NAV with NOD32 if you are willing to
pay for a product, or Avast, if you want a free one.

For anti-spyware, I recommend that you download and run two free
programs: Malware Bytes Anti-Malware, and Super Anti-Spyware.
 
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Unknown

Have you run disk cleanup?
Chris Mitchell said:
Thanks Ron.

I've been around the Google loop to disable those I don't want.

I have Norton Anti Virus which is kept up to date, so I don't think
Trojans, viri or malware are the issue.

I've also got CCleaner, and Spybot which I've run but it's still awfully
slow to boot.

Bloated registry was just a guess on my part.
 
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Daave

Chris said:
I have an HP Pavilion t775UK PC that is about 4-5 years old and is now
taking an age to boot and I see the Windows splash screen 2/3 times.

I've cleared out as much as I dare using msconfig StartUp, but I
suspect the problem lies elsewhere, perhaps a bloated registry, not
an area I like to dabble in. I have defragged the disk and
downloaded and installed all updates over the years, but have never
re-installed Windows XP which I understand might help solve the
problem. I don't know how to do this and it is another area I'm wary
of. The PC has a partitioned drive which is supposed to make doing
this easy and safeguard my data, but I'm paranoid.
What is the best way to go about improving boot times. As you may
have gathered this is not an area I am comfortable with, so I would
like to start with the simple steps, develop my understanding, then
possibly move on to the more complex/dangerous options.

Need some clarification.

Is your performance subpar or is your only complaint that the bootup
takes longer than you'd like?
 
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db

boot into safe mode
and see if performance
is improved.

if so, then you can
do some modifications
to the system.

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Ron Badour

Let me parrot the others who got here first, NORTON, UGH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I believe the program I recommended is superior to Spybot but even so, it
doesn't hurt to run both of them.

The registry on my XP machine is over four years old, has been battered with
all kinds of test software and my PC still boots fast. Of course, I have
dumped most everything that started at boot except for some essentials. I
just don't see the registry as being the cause of your startup problem.

--
Regards

Ron Badour
MS MVP
Windows Desktop Experience
 
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but refuses to do so now because he is scared of newsreaders that strip
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