How can a person become a C# MVP

[weird0]

How can a person become a C# MVP.. or say a complete MVP?
What are the details:
1. What are the recommended books?
2. How many papers are there?
3. How to go about studying it? Where to do the practicals ?
4. What is the fee structure?
etc. etc.

Regards

 

[RobertK]

 

[Alberto Poblacion]

How can a person become a C# MVP.. or say a complete MVP?
What are the details:
1. What are the recommended books?
2. How many papers are there?
3. How to go about studying it? Where to do the practicals ?
4. What is the fee structure?
etc. etc.

I believe that you mean an MCP (Microsoft Certified Professional) instead
of MVP (Most Valuable Professional).

You can study to become an MCP, and then take some examinations, and you
become an MCP automatically if you pass them (see
www.microsoft.com/learning).
On the other hand, MVP is an award that you get for your contributions to
the community. This is not automatic. Someone has to nominate you, and then
Microsoft chooses who get the awards from among those who are nominated.

 

[Nicholas Paldino [.NET/C# MVP]]

Just to elaborate on previous responses, if you do in fact mean MVP, the
MVP program is not a certification, it is an award that is given out to
those that contribute in peer-to-peer environments for Microsoft
Technologies. That being said, there is no set criteria for being awarded
MVP status, and it is at the discretion of MS to do so (the party line,
which I have not seen them deviate from is there is no criteria, that people
are evaluated on a case-by-case basis).

 

[weird0]

I am really interested in the certification of C#, especially if it
earns me a better pay. Reading the Wrox books just does not seem
enough, because I find it very hard to implement each and every
tutorial, to learn the language.

Are the certification recommended books any better? What are the
career future prospects of doing MCP?

Regards

 

[Jon Skeet [C# MVP]]

I am really interested in the certification of C#, especially if it
earns me a better pay. Reading the Wrox books just does not seem
enough, because I find it very hard to implement each and every
tutorial, to learn the language.

Are the certification recommended books any better? What are the
career future prospects of doing MCP?

I personally value certifications far less than a genuine interest in
technology and passion in learning. Concentrate on becoming a better
developer, and you will become more valuable at the same time.

 

[Søren Reinke]

I personally value certifications far less than a genuine interest in
technology and passion in learning. Concentrate on becoming a better
developer, and you will become more valuable at the same time.

I agree completly, but unfortunatly, there are a lot of companies who
has people with absolutly no IT skills, reading the job applications,
and they thing certificats must mean good developers. So to get through
the first screening, the certificates can help.

And depending on how you do it, you could actually learn something while
doing the certifications.

/Søren

 

[Jon Skeet [C# MVP]]

I agree completly, but unfortunatly, there are a lot of companies who
has people with absolutly no IT skills, reading the job applications,
and they thing certificats must mean good developers. So to get through
the first screening, the certificates can help.

Yes, sometimes. Personally I wouldn't usually want to work for a
company which valued certification that much, mind you

And depending on how you do it, you could actually learn something while
doing the certifications.

That's true - but I suspect you'd generally learn more by learning for
the sake of learning.

 

[Kalpesh]

Jon,

Its good to hear from you about - how to become better developer?
I have very good experience (in number of years) doing development.
Personally, I haven't grown to the extent - I should have.

I should be able to design/architect things by now. But, I have been an
under-performer.

Let me give you an example & may I ask you to evaluate it?
I am asked in an interview - the asp.net page lifecycle. Now, I do not
know, what is the sequence & name of the event. Personally, I feel one
can find/use appropriate events or methods at the time of need than to
remember it all.

What do you think about this?
Also, what are the small steps one should take to become good developer
one step at a time? I feel, having to work in an organization that
supports that kind of culture - could be a good help.

Your advice is highly appreciated.

BTW, in this www world, I have learnt from people - who I havent met
personally yet. You are one of them. I watch for threads on which you
post your reply

Thanks for being a good teacher.

Kalpesh

 

[Søren Reinke]

Yes, sometimes. Personally I wouldn't usually want to work for a
company which valued certification that much, mind you

True, but sometimes the companies have funny policies when hiring people.
And you need to get through the people doing the hiring first, even
worse when they use external compnies for screening new employees. (At
least in Denmark and Germany)

That's true - but I suspect you'd generally learn more by learning for
the sake of learning.

That depends purely on the person doing the studying.

You could do the :
World class .NET training in the UK: http://iterativetraining.co.uk
without learning a thing, while taking some certifications and learn a lot.
And of course also the other way around.

It depends purely on the person doing the learning.

/Søren

 

[Jon Skeet [C# MVP]]

Its good to hear from you about - how to become better developer?

Read, practise, absorb everything you can, basically. There's more to
read than anyone could ever actually finish - always more to learn.
Encourage your colleagues to review your code, and try to learn from
them.

I have very good experience (in number of years) doing development.
Personally, I haven't grown to the extent - I should have.

I should be able to design/architect things by now. But, I have been an
under-performer.

Let me give you an example & may I ask you to evaluate it?
I am asked in an interview - the asp.net page lifecycle. Now, I do not
know, what is the sequence & name of the event. Personally, I feel one
can find/use appropriate events or methods at the time of need than to
remember it all.

Indeed. I don't tend to ask detailed questions like that except for
fundamentals. I'd expect a *few* ASP.NET events to be known about, but
not all of them. However, for an alternative of the kind of thing I
*do* expect people to know, I sometimes present people with a list of
types (string, object, Guid, double, Stream, int, etc - well known
types) and ask which are value types and which are reference types.
Asking people to describe the differences between value types and
reference types is also interesting in an interview.

What do you think about this?
Also, what are the small steps one should take to become good developer
one step at a time? I feel, having to work in an organization that
supports that kind of culture - could be a good help.

Absolutely. Anywhere that encourages personal development (in reality -
not just in theory) is good.

Your advice is highly appreciated.

BTW, in this www world, I have learnt from people - who I havent met
personally yet. You are one of them. I watch for threads on which you
post your reply

Thanks for being a good teacher.

My pleasure I'm always learning from others too.

 

[Kalpesh]

Thanks Jon for your reply.
I am looking forward to your book here in India

Best wishes
Kalpesh

 

[Cor Ligthert[MVP]]

Kalpesh,

I am asked in an interview - the asp.net page lifecycle. Now, I do not
know, what is the sequence & name of the event. Personally, I feel one can
find/use appropriate events or methods at the time of need than to
remember it all.

Be aware that some persons who ask questions don't know the answer too. They
often have read something about it and don't themselves know what is really
meant with this.

Probably was in this case meant that an asp page is stateless, however in my
opinion has that not much to do with the lifetime of an asp.page. That can
be endless if a user keeps his/her computer all time on and never close
his/her browser/tab containing that page.

Cor

 

[Jon Skeet [C# MVP]]

Thanks Jon for your reply.
I am looking forward to your book here in India

Me too - I'm anxious to see it all on properly printed paper etc. Not
long to go now

 

[Cor Ligthert[MVP]]

Me too - I'm anxious to see it all on properly printed paper etc. Not
long to go now

Jon,

Will you sent me a mail as it is there?

Cor

 

[Matrix]

Jon,

Its good to hear from you about - how to become better developer?
I have very good experience (in number of years) doing development.
Personally, I haven't grown to the extent - I should have.

I should be able to design/architect things by now. But, I have been an
under-performer.

Let me give you an example & may I ask you to evaluate it?
I am asked in an interview - the asp.net page lifecycle. Now, I do not
know, what is the sequence & name of the event. Personally, I feel one
can find/use appropriate events or methods at the time of need than to
remember it all.

What do you think about this?
Also, what are the small steps one should take to become good developer
one step at a time? I feel, having to work in an organization that
supports that kind of culture - could be a good help.

Your advice is highly appreciated.

BTW, in this www world, I have learnt from people - who I havent met
personally yet. You are one of them. I watch for threads on which you
post your reply

Thanks for being a good teacher.

Kalpesh

Please go through this site ::: http://bytescode.blogspot.cok

 

[Alvin Bruney [ASP.NET MVP]]

When I interview candidates, I tend not to focus on particulars like
sequence of events. That doesn't prevent a developer from producing real
work, it's easy to look up that stuff on MSDN. What is important to me is an
understanding of the framework, how memory is used and allocated and
performance tips and tricks. Lack of that knowledge will bring down an
application server.

--
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Regards,
Alvin Bruney [MVP ASP.NET]

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[RobertK]

...I am asked in an interview - the asp.net page lifecycle. Now, I do not
know, what is the sequence & name of the event. Personally, I feel one
can find/use appropriate events or methods at the time of need than to
remember it all....
...

The books tend to address page lifecycle at some length.
In "The Microsoft Expression Web Developer's Guide to Asp.Net 3.5," Jim Cheshire said, "At first it might seem that understanding the page lifecycle and the order of events isn't important. However, that couldn't be further from the truth. Many of the code issues with which I help developers deal explicitly with page lifecycle issues."
He gave an example of putting code in the Init event that should not go in earlier than the Load event.

On the broader issue of gauging what one knows (just for personal knowledge), Microsoft offers nice, free, brief, online skill assessment tests. http://assessment.learning.microsoft.com/test/FAQ.asp
It provides not just a score but a detailed assessment of specific areas in which one is lacking, and suggests resources for learning the material.
I had thought the test would be on core programming -- list<t>, ref or value -- that kind of thing -- but it was much broader than that, including such areas as assemblies and deployment, where my knowledge was nil. It was enlightening.
For someone not in the job market (like me), it is not as important to have all areas covered, but for someone looking for a career, it might be highly valuable to know your strengths and weaknesses.

 

[jehugaleahsa]

 How can a person become a C# MVP.. or say a complete MVP?
 What are the details:
1. What are the recommended books?
2. How many papers are there?
3. How to go about studying it? Where to do the practicals ?
4. What is the fee structure?
     etc. etc.

 Regards

Where I work certifications only get your foot in the door. The
interview is where is all comes down.

I say if you already have a job and train yourself hard, you are
entitled to a raise. However, don't think you are worthy just because
you know how to declare an event. You have to know what you are doing
and how to apply it intelligently. I personally think I am getting
paid too much for what I do, but I am extremely picky. I feel that
even though I know the C# language inside and out, I don't know more
than a handful of the .NET framework, let alone the bagillion Windows
COM, WIN32, etc. dlls. My only saving grace is that I am willing to
learn, work hard to incorporate design pattens, algorithms and data
structures and that I am so helpful to my peer(s). If you feel like
you are being underpaid, ask for a raise. Your work should be your
reasoning, not you shiny new placard. Otherwise, if you are trying to
prove yourself, go for it.

But, I would like to make a contribution to the community, here. I
feel I am more of a nuscance on this forum than a help. However, this
is a very open and kind group of people, and I feel allowed to express
myself, even when I am off my rocker. I think if you are trying to
feel accomplished, an MVP is far more gratifying than an MCP.

~Travis