how back-up computer w/out buying peripheral

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Guest

i'm fairly entry-level on my computer other than basics - but do have many
docs/MUSIC/e-mails/programs would not want to lose if it crashed. possible
to back up my computer (XP Prof) to DVD's in event of a crash? if so, I
wouldn't know where to start - control panel, programs? then what? or just
not feasible & need to buy external hard drive to back up to (wouldn't know
where to start there eiterh). any help MUCH appreciated. Huge thouder storm
last week took out power; thought it fried desktop as it wouldn't initially
boot up. bad, bad feeling. finally did start up. realize now should have
put precautionary back-up procedure in place long time ago! lucky so far.
 
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Malke

creede94 said:
i'm fairly entry-level on my computer other than basics - but do have many
docs/MUSIC/e-mails/programs would not want to lose if it crashed.
possible
to back up my computer (XP Prof) to DVD's in event of a crash? if so, I
wouldn't know where to start - control panel, programs? then what? or
just not feasible & need to buy external hard drive to back up to
(wouldn't know
where to start there eiterh). any help MUCH appreciated. Huge thouder
storm last week took out power; thought it fried desktop as it wouldn't
initially
boot up. bad, bad feeling. finally did start up. realize now should
have
put precautionary back-up procedure in place long time ago! lucky so
far.

You can't back up installed programs. What you want to back up are the
installers. This means that if you download a program, you back up the
installer executable. If you buy a program, you keep the cd (and any
related product keys, licenses, etc.) in a safe place where you will find
them easily. Aside from your program installers, you also want to back up
your data.

Here's a link with some basic backing up information:
http://www.elephantboycomputers.com/page2.html#Backing_Up

Malke
 
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Patrick Keenan

creede94 said:
i'm fairly entry-level on my computer other than basics - but do have many
docs/MUSIC/e-mails/programs would not want to lose if it crashed.
possible
to back up my computer (XP Prof) to DVD's in event of a crash? if so, I
wouldn't know where to start - control panel, programs? then what? or
just
not feasible & need to buy external hard drive to back up to (wouldn't
know
where to start there eiterh). any help MUCH appreciated. Huge thouder
storm
last week took out power; thought it fried desktop as it wouldn't
initially
boot up. bad, bad feeling. finally did start up. realize now should
have
put precautionary back-up procedure in place long time ago! lucky so
far.

Sure, if your system has a DVD or CD burner, it's easy to back up to that.

If it doesn't, they are cheap now (I paid about CDN$45 the other day for
one) and trivial to install. They come with the packet-writing software
necessary to make backup programs work - for Nero, that;s InCD, for Sonic
it's DLA, for EasyCD it's DirectCD.

To install the drive, shut down and open your system, remove the old drive,
set the jumpers on the new drive the same way, and put the new drive in.
Attach the power and data cables. Close the system and restart; Windows
will detect the drive and set it up. Now install the software that came
with it. You'll most likely have to restart for the packet software to
start working. From here, you'll need to get appropriate CD/RW or DVD/RW
disks and format them.

For the backup itself, I've had good results with BAckup Plus. The key
for any backup, though, is figuring out exactly what you need to back up,
how often you need to back it up, and verifying that the backups worked and
that the files can be opened.

For files that don't change a lot, such as libraries of pictures or music,
these shouldn't be backed up every day. User data that does change
frequently, like email and financial data, should be backed up regularly.
So, what I do is create two backup tasks. One does the daily backups of
the critical things, and the other is a less automated backup of the other
stuff, to a different set of disks.

Note that Windows helpfully stores a number of key data files in hidden
directories. These include Outlook and Outlook Express email files, and
Windows Address Book files. Be sure that you locate and include these
files in your backup set. Also, note that if Outlook is running, its data
file can not be backed up, and will be missed.

You can do simple bulk copies of the files off to DVD or CD, but this can
take some time. However, it won't require any software other than what
comes with the drive. Take the few minutes learing to use the software;
it's very useful.

HTH
-pk
 
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Brian A.

It would most likely be just as cheap if not cheaper to use a separate
harddrive whether it be internal/external. However, most apps backup to just
about any media and over networks. If you wish you could purchase an app now
and any time down the road purchase backup media of your choice.

To name a few apps:

Norton Ghost.
http://www.symantec.com/sabu/ghost/ghost_personal/

Acronis TrueImage:
http://www.acronis.com/enterprise/products/choose-trueimage/

Stomps PC Backup (formerly Backup MyPC):
http://www.stompsoft.com/prod_page.html



--

Brian A. Sesko { MS MVP_Shell/User }
Conflicts start where information lacks.
http://basconotw.mvps.org/

Suggested posting do's/don'ts:
How to ask a question: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555375
 
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cheyenne

Patrick Keenan said:
Note that Windows helpfully stores a >number of key data files in hidden
directories. These include Outlook and >Outlook Express email files, and
Windows Address Book files. Be sure that >you locate and include these
files in your backup set.

Can you explain in detail just how to go about finding OE email files and
Windows Address Book files? I have recently restored from a backup
successfully, but I cannot find the WAB and the OE files after repeated
attempts.
 
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Guest

Thank you; very helpful and comprehensive! I read your entire "brochure" and
saved to computer maintenance file. I do have integrated DVD burner. Could
you shed light on path to go to/through for autoback-up - - "push the button"
idea and let it run through all docs and data without having to backup a
bunch of folders manually?
 
G

Guest

Brian, thank you for the app suggestions. Differernt aspects to my question
answered with each post. First I've used this discussion group. Again,
thanks for the links to suggested software

creede94
 
G

Guest

creede94 said:
Brian, thank you for the app suggestions. Differernt aspects to my question
answered with each post. First I've used this discussion group. Again,
thanks for the links to suggested software

creede94
 
G

Guest

Got it. Squared away now. And bookmarked Inside Outlook Express for future
questions research. Thanks again.
 
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Malke

creede94 said:
Thank you; very helpful and comprehensive! I read your entire "brochure"
and
saved to computer maintenance file. I do have integrated DVD burner.
Could you shed light on path to go to/through for autoback-up - - "push
the button" idea and let it run through all docs and data without having
to backup a bunch of folders manually?

I like to use a program called Second Copy for clients. It's only about
$30USD and very flexible, simple to use. You can get it from
www.centered.com. I'm not affiliated with them in any way; I'm recommending
this because I've used it for years.

What I like to do for small businesses and home users is:

1. Install either a second internal or external hard drive. Create a folder
on it called "Backup".

2. Install Second Copy and set up Profiles to copy data from My Documents
and anywhere else to that Backup folder. Although the latest version of SC
allows you to copy files in use, I don't recommend it. It's better to
schedule SC to back up at startup and then again at a time when the
computer is on but not running any programs, usually last thing in the
evening. Make a folder in My Documents called "Downloads" or the like and
those downloaded programs will get copied along with everything else in My
Docs.

The beauty of this is that you only have to set this up once and now all
your stuff is going to *one* folder.

If you have a small network with computers always on (or always on during
the day) you can even back up data from those machines into your one Backup
folder.

3. On a regular basis, burn the SC Backup folder to CD or DVD and take that
disk off-site or put it in a fireproof.

Malke
 
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cheyenne

Perhaps I wasn't clear in my request. First, I backed up the entire C:
drive using Microsoft's own NTbackup to an external HD. I later restored
with NTbackup. Now I cannot find the OE files or the Address Book. My
question was not how to backup, but how to restore what had been backed up.
If NTbackup would not/could not backup OE and the Address Book, Microsoft
should have forewarned users. I mistakenly (apparently) believed that a
full backup was just that---full, with no exceptions.
Malke, I appreciate your response. But from the information you supplied, I
am unable to see how to restore OE or Address Book from the backup.
Again, I need a step-by-step method of restoring (or even finding) the lost
files.
 
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Malke

cheyenne said:
Perhaps I wasn't clear in my request. First, I backed up the entire C:

(snip)

I think you've posted in the wrong thread. This is creede94's thread and has
nothing to do with your question. Find your thread and continue there.

Malke
 
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cheyenne

No comprende, Malke. Please see posts this thread dated 8-3, 7:09 pm and
8-4, 12:09 pm. If I have somehow violated protocol, please advise.
 
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cheyenne

Brian, thanks for posting the newsgroup protocols. The rules were quite
helpful to me.
 

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