HELP WITH DE-CRYPTION!!

J

Jake

THIS IS DAMN URGENT :-(

machine: Win Xp Sp2

i have some important files on an external hard drive, i encrypted them on
the hard drive using my account on my laptop (admin account).

i for matted my laptop then created an account of the same name and
password, even my laptop regained the same name.

im trying to access the encrypted files on the external hard drive and i
cant :-(

obviously there is a missing step :-(

please any help its really urgent :-(
 
G

GreenieLeBrun

Jake said:
THIS IS DAMN URGENT :-(

machine: Win Xp Sp2

i have some important files on an external hard drive, i encrypted
them on the hard drive using my account on my laptop (admin account).

i for matted my laptop then created an account of the same name and
password, even my laptop regained the same name.

im trying to access the encrypted files on the external hard drive
and i cant :-(

obviously there is a missing step :-(

please any help its really urgent :-(

If you didn't export your encryption key then the files are lost for all
time.

The Encrypting File System
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/topics/cryptographyetc/efs.mspx

Best practices for the Encrypting File System
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/223316/en-us

How to back up the recovery agent Encrypting File System (EFS) private key
in Windows Server 2003, in Windows 2000, and in Windows XP
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/241201

How To Encrypt a Folder in Windows XP
http://support.microsoft.com/?id=308989

How To Remove File Encryption in Windows XP
http://support.microsoft.com/?id=308993

How To Encrypt a File in Windows XP
http://support.microsoft.com/?id=307877
 
J

John John (MVP)

The missing step is that you didn't save your encryption key on
removable media and store it in a safe place! You can't recover the
files without expert help, if at all. You will now have to rely on a
data recovery firm or on a software recovery solution.

John
 
J

Jake

so there is no point im using the same pc with the same password and the same
every thing if the key is not exported :-( and the encrypted file is locked
forever :-(
 
G

GreenieLeBrun

Jake said:
so there is no point im using the same pc with the same password and
the same every thing if the key is not exported :-( and the encrypted
file is locked forever :-(

That is correct. Why? Because the SID (Security Identifier) is unique to
each account and even if you re-create the account the SID will be different
 
J

John John (MVP)

Nope, like Greenie said the SID is unique to each account and a new
account created with the same name and password will not have the same
SID. Even if you did create an account with the same SID you still
don't have the encryption key. Your files are lost. If you do a search
on the net you will find companies who claim to be able to recover the
files or companies who offer software solutions claiming to be able to
recover files when the encryption key is lost. I can't vouch for these
claims, I don't know how well or how successful the methods are.

John
 
V

VanguardLH

GreenieLeBrun said:
That is correct. Why? Because the SID (Security Identifier) is unique to
each account and even if you re-create the account the SID will be different

Even with the same SID assigned to your newly created account as was
assigned to your old account, EFS won't decrypt because the cert you
generate under the new instance of Windows won't be the same as the one
you created under the other instance of Windows. You need the cert that
you created under a particular instance of Windows. The cert can be
assigned (accessed) by multiple SIDs (accounts). When you decrypt, the
EFS cert assigned to the SID of the account you are currently logged
under gets used. The SID is not encoded into the EFS certificate. You
simply manage your certs so that a SID can use a particular cert. If
the SID were used in the cert, you would never be able to use that cert
to import it into a new install of Windows because the SID for the
same-named account would be different. SIDs are used in certificate
management, not within the cert itself; otherwise, you would never be
able to import an EFS cert into a different instance of Windows.

The username and password are irrelevant (well, there is some use of the
password along with the cryptographic key assigned to an account). If
that was all that was used then there would be no security to EFS as
anyone could create an account with that username and password to get at
your EFS-protected files. EFS is not a simplistic password scheme to
scramble the contents of files. It uses a cryptographic key that was
assigned by Windows to the SID associated with your account. A long
time ago, I found an article via Googling around on EFS recovery that
purported a means of recovering the RSA key used to create your EFS
cert. Under each userprofile is the user's registry hive (ntuser.dat).
By creating a new account (same username and password) and recovering
this user hive from backups, and because the crypto key was in the user
data portion of the registry that was used to create the EFS cert, you
could somehow regenerate the EFS cert to decrypt those files. I don't
remember the specifics since I never had to go through all that, and it
requires restoring the user registry hive from backups which most users
don't do, anyway. If they're complaining about losing access to
EFS-protected files then they probably also haven't saved partition
images for recovery. The idea was to recover the crypto key stored in
the registry for that user's old account. If Jake has saved partition
images to restore from, he wouldn't be here asking about EFS. He never
did explain why he needed to reformat his hard disk.

Jake could buy software to regain access to EFS-protected files, like
from http://www.elcomsoft.com/aefsdr.html. Depends on whether or not
Jake feels his EFS-protected data is worth $150 or $300 to recover it.
There is a free trial version that you can download. It probably only
tells you if the product could successfully decrypt the file(s) but
won't actually do it until you pay them for their rescue.
 
B

Bruce Chambers

Jake said:
THIS IS DAMN URGENT :-(

machine: Win Xp Sp2

i have some important files on an external hard drive, i encrypted them on
the hard drive using my account on my laptop (admin account).

i for matted my laptop then created an account of the same name and
password, even my laptop regained the same name.

im trying to access the encrypted files on the external hard drive and i
cant :-(

obviously there is a missing step :-(

please any help its really urgent :-(



If your encryption certificates and keys were not backed up before
the reinstallation of the OS, and the workstation isn't part of a domain
(whose Administrator might act as the designated recovery agent), those
files are gone, for all practical purposes. Encryption works well and
there is no "back door" or hack to access the files. (Wouldn't be much
point to EFS if it were easily by-passed.)


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Bruce Chambers

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