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KlausK
I haven't seen a benchmark that compares the new HD series with the X
series. I have an X1950XT. Is the 3879 faster than it?
series. I have an X1950XT. Is the 3879 faster than it?
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Augustus
KlausK said:I haven't seen a benchmark that compares the new HD series with the X
series. I have an X1950XT. Is the 3879 faster than it?
It walks all over it.....here's a direct comparison of the HD3870 and the
X1950XT with others. It's in German, but the benchmarks are easy to follow.
http://www.3dchip.de/TestCenter/2007/R3870/benchmarks3.php
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KlausK
Augustus said:It walks all over it.....here's a direct comparison of the HD3870 and the
X1950XT with others. It's in German, but the benchmarks are easy to
follow.
http://www.3dchip.de/TestCenter/2007/R3870/benchmarks3.php
Thanks. I'm getting an HD3870!
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Bill
It walks all over it.....here's a direct comparison of the HD3870 and the
X1950XT with others. It's in German, but the benchmarks are easy to follow.
http://www.3dchip.de/TestCenter/2007/R3870/benchmarks3.php
http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3151
Says the HD3850 beats the x1950xtx the HD3870 is even faster and gets
up towards 8800GT performance. An interesting pair of video cards.
Bill
F
Fred
KlausK said:Thanks. I'm getting an HD3870!
I bought one to replace my x1950xt recently. Apart from the performance
gains and DX10 support, this new card is so much quieter.
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Carl
re: this new card is so much quieter
Its about time! I have just returned an HD2900XT that is faulty. Now I don't
know what to do, I have seen benchmarks where the 3870 is about equal in
performance to the 2900, so, one of those or wait for this new fangled dual
core GPU? Aaaaaaaaarrrrgghhhhh!
Its about time! I have just returned an HD2900XT that is faulty. Now I don't
know what to do, I have seen benchmarks where the 3870 is about equal in
performance to the 2900, so, one of those or wait for this new fangled dual
core GPU? Aaaaaaaaarrrrgghhhhh!
E
em_CT
I got the 3850 and it is quieter then any fan driven card I ever owned.
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KlausK
Fred said:I bought one to replace my x1950xt recently. Apart from the performance
gains and DX10 support, this new card is so much quieter.
Sounds even better. I had to buy a Zalman cooler for my X1950XT because the
stock fan was so noisy.
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First of One
You can find the HD3870 in stock in the UK?
C
Carl
re: You can find the HD3870 in stock in the UK?
http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/ProductInfo.asp?WebProductID=719123
www.overclockers.co.uk have sold out of their first batch, all the rest on
preorder.
http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/ProductInfo.asp?WebProductID=719123
www.overclockers.co.uk have sold out of their first batch, all the rest on
preorder.
J
John Adams
Why? 8800GT outperforms HD3870 and costs about the same. They are justKlausK said:Thanks. I'm getting an HD3870!
hard to find right now. Wait a month or so and they should be easier to buy.
F
Fred
John Adams said:Why? 8800GT outperforms HD3870 and costs about the same. They are just
hard to find right now. Wait a month or so and they should be easier to
buy.
I prefer the 2D quality of ATI cards.
I have been dissapointed with the 2D quality of the nVidia cards that I have
used in the past.
G
GTD
Especially considering the 8800gt has a performance advantage thatFred said:I prefer the 2D quality of ATI cards.
I have been dissapointed with the 2D quality of the nVidia cards that I have
used in the past.
nobody but benchmark fanbois would consider mentioning. I agree with
you, the 2d quality makes up for it by miles. .
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William
GTD said:Especially considering the 8800gt has a performance advantage that nobody
but benchmark fanbois would consider mentioning. I agree with you, the 2d
quality makes up for it by miles. .
The 3870 is DX10.1 certified, the 8800 series is not. It runs cooler, draws
less power, and is a generation ahead of the 8800 series.
J
J. Clarke
William said:The 3870 is DX10.1 certified,
That and a few bucks will get you a cup of coffee.
the 8800 series is not. It runs
cooler, draws less power, and is a generation ahead of the 8800
series.
But does it perform better in the real world?
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William
J. Clarke said:That and a few bucks will get you a cup of coffee.
More like 4 or 5 bucks for a cup of coffee now days. What do I care, I'm
not going to run Vista until it actually out-performs XP Pro. That could be
a year from now as things are looking currently. It is interesting though,
how the comparisons run on the news sites tend to skip that fact. Very
Interesting.
But does it perform better in the real world?
Depends on the resolution being compaired. Some resolutions the 3870
out-performs the 8800gt. Other resolutions the 8800gt has a lead. The two
are very similar in performance. But prices give the 3870 the edge in
price/performance, for now. However, it does consume less power and produce
less heat for the case and components to deal with. For what that is worth.
And yes, 2d is better then nvidia
William
F
First of One
William said:The 3870 is DX10.1 certified, the 8800 series is not.
Now, if AMD actually released a driver that takes advantage of the newfound
DX10.1 capability (e.g. proper multisample AA with deferred rendering games
like Bioshock and Gears of War), then all the hype might be worth the paper
it's printed on.
Come to think of it, since the hardware is capable, it should be well within
AMD's ability to release something similar to the Chuck patch for deferred
rendering games, in DX9 on XP. But AMD isn't doing any of this. All the
extra transistors required for DX10.1 compliance simply sit there as dead
weight, sucking power. Remember the underwhelming Radeon 8500?
It runs cooler, draws less power,
No it doesn't. The 3870 draws 5W more than the 8800GT at load:
http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3151&p=11
Load wattage, not idle wattage, is what matters, because it governs PSU
sizing. So really, compared to the 8800GT, the 3870 is slower, draws more
power, and [for most brands] carries a shorter warranty.
and is a generation ahead of the 8800 series.
It... isn't. The 2900XT was more like a generation behind; the 3870 became
closer to being on par with the 8800 series. ATi/AMD simply does not have a
competitive product this time, much like in the CPU world.
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William
First of One said:Now, if AMD actually released a driver that takes advantage of the
newfound DX10.1 capability (e.g. proper multisample AA with deferred
rendering games like Bioshock and Gears of War), then all the hype might
be worth the paper it's printed on.
Come to think of it, since the hardware is capable, it should be well
within AMD's ability to release something similar to the Chuck patch for
deferred rendering games, in DX9 on XP. But AMD isn't doing any of this.
All the extra transistors required for DX10.1 compliance simply sit there
as dead weight, sucking power. Remember the underwhelming Radeon 8500?
I doubt their will be any games out for 6 to 12 months that use DX10.1
features. It may be years before we see any advantages to DX10.1. Heck,
VISTA might go belly-up before then. Who knows?
It runs cooler, draws less power,
No it doesn't. The 3870 draws 5W more than the 8800GT at load:
http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3151&p=11
Load wattage, not idle wattage, is what matters, because it governs PSU
sizing. So really, compared to the 8800GT, the 3870 is slower, draws more
power, and [for most brands] carries a shorter warranty.
You must play more games than I do. My gpu idles most of the time for me.
I do see your point when it comes to psu specifications. Tom's Hardware
showed where the 3870 was faster at 1920x1200 4xAA than the 8800gt. The
8800gt is faster over all, but not by much. Now if the 3870 will get back
down to $219 it will be a steal against the 8800gt.
I thought the reviews showed the 3870 had a significant reduction in heat
output and power output. Now I am going to have to go back and re-read the
articles again. Something about a major shrink in die size, 666 million
transistors to tickle your eyes with.
Warranty: I've never had a gpu go bad on me. I've had to replace allot of
them because they started to look long-in-the-tooth compared to what was on
the market at the time. Maybe I'm just lucky.
It... isn't. The 2900XT was more like a generation behind; the 3870 became
closer to being on par with the 8800 series. ATi/AMD simply does not have
a competitive product this time, much like in the CPU world.
I think the manufacturing process is a bit more advanced. This is a never
ending leap-froging between rivals. (Hope it never ends.) I still think
this unit does well for ATI, however the 8800 series overall is more robust
from top to bottom. ATI has so far offered nothing in the top-end for gpu's.
If this is all they got, then they are coming up short. BUT for the best
bang for the buck, which is where I shop, the 3870 is the best deal
available for Christmas '07.
As always, thank you First
William
J
J. Clarke
William said:More like 4 or 5 bucks for a cup of coffee now days. What do I
care,
I'm not going to run Vista until it actually out-performs XP Pro.
That could be a year from now as things are looking currently. It
is
interesting though, how the comparisons run on the news sites tend
to
skip that fact. Very Interesting.
Depends on the resolution being compaired. Some resolutions the
3870
out-performs the 8800gt. Other resolutions the 8800gt has a lead.
The two are very similar in performance. But prices give the 3870
the edge in price/performance, for now. However, it does consume
less power and produce less heat for the case and components to deal
with. For what that is worth.
And yes, 2d is better then nvidia
I keep hearing this. In what way is it "better"?
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William
I keep hearing this. In what way is it "better"?
DVD playback. "Avivo" processing. Cleaner, quieter, sharper, better.
Especially on bigger displays.
Not only is the 2d better, the 3800 series has HDCP key encryption holding
capability so those Blue-Ray and HD-DVD's can be played, (with the
appropriate player software,) as well as on-board audio mixing for the
signal being sent to the HDCP TeleVisions. Future stuff for the
media-centered systems.
Personally, I hate all this DRM and hope I will never have to use this
capability of this board.
William
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