Hard Networking Problem, Need a MVP's help. ICS over Wireless netw

[Guest]

Here is the situation. I'm trying to share a aol dial internet connection
between 2 Computers(both have winxp home). They are stuck with dial up, and
they have a another computer ~75 feet away with a fairly good line of sight
that they want to share the connection with. Computer [A] has aol dialup and
a networking card. Computer has only a networking card. Is it possible to
share this dialup connection over a WIRELESS network? I checked under set up
new connection and it seems that you can set one up using the host computer
as a gateway.


What I would idealy like to do is to buy a router and then set up a wireless
network sort of the way you normally would wif broadband. (except that you
use Windows Internet Connection Sharing, that is the key to making this work)
So just plug PC [A] into wireless router, and then stick a Wireless
networking card in PC . IS THERE ANY REASON THAT THIS WOULD NOT WORK?

As in:

PC [A] -----ethernet cable----> Router ---Wireless 54 mbps--> PC


PC [A] (has aol dialup) (has NIC)

PC (Would have a Wireless networking card)



I have heard of people having problems with Internet Connection Sharing in
the past, and I want to make sure that this would really work reliably.
Anyone have experience with this kind of thing? With ICS?

As Long as the wireless network will work (using Internet Connection
Sharing) this is what I want to use. However if theres reason to belive that
it won't work reliably, then I need to find another way. My other ideas are:

Run long (100ft) crossover cable between the NICs but this involes putting cable in ceilings and walls and stuff, and still uses ICS which may not be reliable.

Get a spliter on the phone jack by PC [A] and Run long (100ft) phone cord down to PC Again this involves going through walls but this would avoids using ICS. Also to clarify The 2 Computers DO NOT have to be on the internet at the same time. That would be really slow anyway with dialup, they just need to be able to access the aol dial up at seperate times. ( The easy way out of all this is to get a phone jack installed by computer but that does not seem to be a option right now)

If you have any ideas please post, this is getting quite complicated.

 

[Hans-Georg Michna]

Here is the situation. I'm trying to share a aol dial internet connection
between 2 Computers(both have winxp home). They are stuck with dial up, and
they have a another computer ~75 feet away with a fairly good line of sight
that they want to share the connection with.

darklink,

so that's three computers.

Computer [A] has aol dialup and
a networking card. Computer has only a networking card. Is it possible to
share this dialup connection over a WIRELESS network? I checked under set up
new connection and it seems that you can set one up using the host computer
as a gateway.

What happened to the third computer now? I'm confused.

Hans-Georg

 

[Ken J]

....

So just plug PC [A] into wireless router, and then stick a Wireless
networking card in PC . IS THERE ANY REASON THAT THIS WOULD NOT WORK?

As in:

PC [A] -----ethernet cable----> Router ---Wireless 54 mbps--> PC

Yes, I think this would work for a network. I'm assuming PC [C] (the
disappearing third computer) is the one close to PC [A], and PC [C] would
have a cable going to the router.

Are you in a house or apartment bldg? One problem you could encounter is
that the distance is too great for the wireless connecton via router -- in
my limited experience things get dicey at that range (you did mention you
were going through walls although you also talked "line of sight"? If
was "line of sight" and you could see through walls, you'd be Superman.
Hmmmm. For instance, I can see the wireless routers next door in my
apartment, but three apartments away is problematic. The apartments are 15
to 20 feet in width, so three apartments away would be maybe 60 feet. If
the signal is too weak, then you have to explore antennas that can give some
signal gain, and your wireless NIC in as well as router have to be such
that you can easily adapt a third-party antenna, such as a Hawking.

Would it work for ICS? It's been a while since I've gotten ICS to work with
two computers, and I've never tried with three computers. Given that
caveat, I don't see why not. Of course, people get into some tough
troubleshooting situations with networks. You don't need 802.11g with 54
mbps unless you think you may need the wireless for a broadband connection
in the future -- the slower and cheaper 802.11b should be ok -- maybe you
could find some used 802.11b gear that's discounted because of the faster
802.11g.

You don't want to use a crossover cable because there are three computers.
You need a hub or router for three computers.

Get a spliter on the phone jack by PC [A]

This is the best idea, although I think you realize it's difficult to
implement in your situation. Besides, it's too low tech!

How about considering a network over the electrical lines (assuming you're
in a house)? I've never set one up, but I was able to quickly find a link:

http://www.howstuffworks.com/power-network.htm

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=article&contentId=A56014-2002Aug24&notFound=true

Another type of "wireless" There is another type of networking method, which
makes use of either the house phone lines or the house electrical power
lines. So, this type is almost wireless. For phone line networking, each pc
must have a Phone Networking card (~$15 each), or a USB adapter (~$50).
Router is optional. Each pc is then connected to the house phone wall jacks
of the same phone number with regular phone cords. The house phone and the
Phone Network operate independently and will not interfere with each other.
For Electrical Power Line networking, installing kits are available at about
$150 for networking 2 pcs. Networking with phone line or electrical line can
be used for either broadband or dialup internet connection sharing without
sacrificing connection speed. Since networking with Electrical Power Line
costs about the same as the true wireless networking and does not offer any
advantages over the latter, there is no attractive reason to choose this
method for networking. Networking with phone networking cards, however, does
offer the advantage of lower cost over the true wireless networking. For as
little as $30, a phone network can be built.

Ken

 

[Guest]

No, its just 2 computers. I was saying i could turn on ICS on one of them to
share the connection. Ill post more later

 

[Guest]

First of all Let me Thank you for your post. I'm not sure where i went wrong
but i need to make clear THERE IS NO THIRD COMPUTER.
ONLY TWO (2) COMPUTERS. somehow i confused people so let me say it again.
ONLY TWO computers. NO computer [C]. I'm not sure where that idea came from.

This is in a small business, and the computer needing to be networked DO
HAVE A VERY GOOD LINE OF SIGHT. There are not really any walls in the way. (
When i talked about running through walls i was refering to if I ran a
Physical cross over cable) One is in the front/main area, and the other is
down the about ~75 feet hall, but they basicall have a great line of sight,
unless the door is closed to the room of crourse, but that will not matter
much. SO.....

-Running a Cross Over cable would work but it would involve using ICS which
i have gathered is dodgy

-Setting up a Wireless Network should work? I think it would but it also
uses ICS and people have had trouble running ICS through a router. But this
is the basically the eaist option.

I dont wanna have to run cross over cable through walls and then find out
that ICS doesnt even work right.

 

[Ken J]

ONLY TWO computers. NO computer [C]. I'm not sure where that idea came

from.

I think the idea somehow came from you 8>o) .

This is in a small business, and the computer needing to be networked DO
HAVE A VERY GOOD LINE OF SIGHT. There are not really any walls in the way.
(
When i talked about running through walls i was refering to if I ran a
Physical cross over cable) One is in the front/main area, and the other is
down the about ~75 feet hall, but they basicall have a great line of
sight,
unless the door is closed to the room of crourse, but that will not matter
much. SO.....

~75 feet with door open just might work for wireless, or possibly you'd need
a higher gain
antenna on one end.

-Setting up a Wireless Network should work? I think it would but it also
uses ICS and people have had trouble running ICS through a router. But
this
is the basically the eaist option.

You can do wireless from wireless card to wireless card without a router,
and then
you would try ICS. I'd opt for a wireless router, but it might be overkill.

I dont wanna have to run cross over cable through walls and then find out
that ICS doesnt even work right.

That's why you lay the cable on the floor and test it first. But keep in
mind that cross-over cables aren't supported -- it's just not a recommended
way to network. It works, but it's not kosher.

Given what you've said, I'd go for the phone line extension. Can you run it
under the floor? Is there a false ceiling? Or just have the 75' of wire on
a spool, and roll it out on the floor when you want to dial to the Internet
from the back computer. This saves you all kinds of headaches.

Ken

 

[Guest]

ONLY TWO computers. NO computer [C]. I'm not sure where that idea came
from.

I think the idea somehow came from you 8>o) .

This is in a small business, and the computer needing to be networked DO
HAVE A VERY GOOD LINE OF SIGHT. There are not really any walls in the way.
(
When i talked about running through walls i was refering to if I ran a
Physical cross over cable) One is in the front/main area, and the other is
down the about ~75 feet hall, but they basicall have a great line of
sight,
unless the door is closed to the room of crourse, but that will not matter
much. SO.....

~75 feet with door open just might work for wireless, or possibly you'd need
a higher gain
antenna on one end.

-Setting up a Wireless Network should work? I think it would but it also
uses ICS and people have had trouble running ICS through a router. But
this
is the basically the eaist option.

You can do wireless from wireless card to wireless card without a router,
and then
you would try ICS. I'd opt for a wireless router, but it might be overkill.

I dont wanna have to run cross over cable through walls and then find out
that ICS doesnt even work right.

That's why you lay the cable on the floor and test it first. But keep in
mind that cross-over cables aren't supported -- it's just not a recommended
way to network. It works, but it's not kosher.

Given what you've said, I'd go for the phone line extension. Can you run it
under the floor? Is there a false ceiling? Or just have the 75' of wire on
a spool, and roll it out on the floor when you want to dial to the Internet
from the back computer. This saves you all kinds of headaches.

Ken

Yea i've decided ill try and use a wireless router. Some people have had
trouble running ICS through a router, but i think i can get it to work. The
running a phone line exetention was something I thought of, but someone told
me that the signal would be lost after running a extention for 100ft. But
right now the wireless should work.