Hard drive connectors... ATA-100?

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DanSolo

After a recent HD failure in my laptop (melted by the lousy quality
Advent 7060), I sent away for a USB to IDE connector to see could I
retrieve any data from it. The drive intermittently crashed XP so the
data is probably salvagable. Now I notice the drive is "Hitachi
Travelstar® DK23FB 40 GB ATA-100". What's ATA100? The pins certainly
won't fit the IDE connector I bought.
I shoulda guessed Advent would pick some dopey format for it's HD.
What an overheating bezel-cracking noisy piece of junk.
 
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Paul

DanSolo said:
After a recent HD failure in my laptop (melted by the lousy quality
Advent 7060), I sent away for a USB to IDE connector to see could I
retrieve any data from it. The drive intermittently crashed XP so the
data is probably salvagable. Now I notice the drive is "Hitachi
Travelstar® DK23FB 40 GB ATA-100". What's ATA100? The pins certainly
won't fit the IDE connector I bought.
I shoulda guessed Advent would pick some dopey format for it's HD.
What an overheating bezel-cracking noisy piece of junk.
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3.5" drives (the desktop kind) use a 40 pin connector. Operating power
of about 13 watts comes via both 5V and 12V power using the separate
Molex connector. (Same idea with SATA - separate power and data section).

2.5" drives (laptop kind) use a 44 pin connector for IDE. The extra pins
allow the power to be integrated into the data connector. On the newest
drives, power is only 2.5 watts or less, and comes through a 5V only pin
on the 44 pin connector.

You can get "44 pin to 40 pin plus power connector" adapters for the job
of connecting a laptop drive to a desktop.

External disk drive enclosures are also available, with the correct
connector in place. A small 2.5" enclosure will have a 44 pin in it.
A 3.5" enclosure would have the 40 pin in it. Depending on spacing
and construction, there might not be room to install an adapter to
"fix" an enclosure.

This is an example of an adapter. The side nearest us in the picture,
is the 44 pin, 2mm center to center connector. On the opposite side,
is room to insert a 40 pin connector with 0.1" center to center
spacing. The Molex only needs the +5V (red) and ground (black) as
a source of power in this case. This adapter would typically be used
in a desktop computer, as a means of temporarily connecting a 2.5"
drive to get the data off.

http://c1.neweggimages.com/NeweggImage/productimage/12-203-012-02.jpg

Paul
 
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sandy58

After a recent HD failure in my laptop (melted by the lousy quality
Advent 7060), I sent away for a USB to IDE connector to see could I
retrieve any data from it. The drive intermittently crashed XP so the
data is probably salvagable. Now I notice the drive is "Hitachi
Travelstar® DK23FB 40 GB ATA-100". What's ATA100? The pins certainly
won't fit the IDE connector I bought.
I shoulda guessed Advent would pick some dopey format for it's HD.
What an overheating bezel-cracking noisy piece of junk.
Click to expand...

Recover My Files 3.98 Build 5848 (full version)
http://www.paid4share.com/file/652/RecoverMyFiles-3-98-5848-regged-rar.html
If you DO manage to get access to the screwed hdd, DanSolo, you may
find this useful. Good luck.
 
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philo

After a recent HD failure in my laptop (melted by the lousy quality
Advent 7060), I sent away for a USB to IDE connector to see could I
retrieve any data from it. The drive intermittently crashed XP so the
data is probably salvagable. Now I notice the drive is "Hitachi
Travelstar® DK23FB 40 GB ATA-100". What's ATA100? The pins certainly
won't fit the IDE connector I bought.
I shoulda guessed Advent would pick some dopey format for it's HD.
What an overheating bezel-cracking noisy piece of junk.


More than likely the harddrive is a standard one...but simply has an adaptor
plugged into it.
You should be able to just unplug it *carefully* then use your laptop to ide
adaptor
 
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DanSolo

More than likely the harddrive is a standard one...but simply has an adaptor
plugged into it.
You should be able to just unplug it *carefully* then use your laptop to ide
adaptor
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I took off the adaptor but the spacing of the pins is wrong for my IDE
plug. I guess I need a 44 pin connector then instead of the 40 pin
one? I never guessed IDE had 2 "standards" like that.
 
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km

I took off the adaptor but the spacing of the pins is wrong for my IDE
plug. I guess I need a 44 pin connector then instead of the 40 pin
one? I never guessed IDE had 2 "standards" like that.
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You seem to be get into a tangle, if I have understood your posts.

ATA 100 relates to a version of IDE speed of connection ie 33, 66 and
more lately 100. The phsical look of the IDE connection is not
dependant on the speed but on the motherboard connection.

Laptops are small with fewer pins and different look from IDE
connectors for desktop computers.

I guess, from your description that the adapter is USB to standard
desktop IDE whereas your 2.5" hard drive needs an adapter to convert
it to a normal desktop arrangement which would then accept the USB
convertor.

see:
http://insidecomputer.stores.yahoo.net/la2tode3hadr.html


km
 
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km

You seem to be get into a tangle, if I have understood your posts.

ATA 100 relates to a version of IDE speed of connection ie 33, 66 and
more lately 100. The phsical look of the IDE connection is not
dependant on the speed but on the motherboard connection.

Laptops are small with fewer pins and different look from IDE
connectors for desktop computers.

I guess, from your description that the adapter is USB to standard
desktop IDE whereas your 2.5" hard drive needs an adapter to convert
it to a normal desktop arrangement which would then accept the USB
convertor.

see:
http://insidecomputer.stores.yahoo.net/la2tode3hadr.html


km
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Probably a better picture at:
http://www.datapro.net/products/laptop-ide-hard-drive-adaptor.html

km
 
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DanSolo

Probably a better picture at:http://www.datapro.net/products/laptop-ide-hard-drive-adaptor.html

km
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OK, I think I've got it now. ATA100 is just the specification of the
HD transfer protocols, not the connector itself. Would this do the job
then?
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=280194368292
I guess this is one thing I can't blame the Advent for. Although I'm
still blaming the nuclear fusion reactor placed right next to the HD
in the case for melting it.
Thanks everyone. I'm learning a lot here.
 
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philo

DanSolo said:
I took off the adaptor but the spacing of the pins is wrong for my IDE
plug. I guess I need a 44 pin connector then instead of the 40 pin
one? I never guessed IDE had 2 "standards" like that.
Click to expand...


No, look closely...there is a space (or should be)

the laptop HD also has master/slave jumper pins which of course...
your adaptor does NOT plug into
 
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DanSolo

the laptop HD also has master/slave jumper pins which of course...
your adaptor does NOT plug into
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OK, I've counted the pins and there's definitely 2 banks of 22 equals
44 pins (although one doesn't seem to be there in the middle, but it
looks like it was made like that). There's also 4 pins separate which
I guess are for power. When I search for "ATA 100" on ebay every match
says "ATA100/IDE", both for cables and new drives. How can I tell
which ones will fit my non-IDE drive?
 
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GT

DanSolo said:
OK, I've counted the pins and there's definitely 2 banks of 22 equals
44 pins (although one doesn't seem to be there in the middle, but it
looks like it was made like that). There's also 4 pins separate which
I guess are for power. When I search for "ATA 100" on ebay every match
says "ATA100/IDE", both for cables and new drives. How can I tell
which ones will fit my non-IDE drive?
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Those extra 4 pins are the master/slave jumper pins as philo already told
you. You need to put a jumper on the correct 2 pins to tell the controller
if the drive is master or slave on that cable.

44 pins is a normal IDE connection. IDE is also referred to as ATA or EIDE
or PATA. Its all the same thing. 1 standard, several names.
 
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Calab

44 pins is a normal IDE connection. IDE is also referred to as ATA or EIDE
or PATA. Its all the same thing. 1 standard, several names.
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Correction - a normal IDE, ATA or PATA connector is 40 pins. Any extra pins
above that are non-standard, providing power or configuration.
 
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GT

Calab said:
Correction - a normal IDE, ATA or PATA connector is 40 pins. Any extra
pins above that are non-standard, providing power or configuration.
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That is what I meant! He has 44 pins - 40 for the IDE and 4 extra for
jumpers
 
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Paul

GT said:
That is what I meant! He has 44 pins - 40 for the IDE and 4 extra for
jumpers
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44 pins is the standard for a 2.5" drive. Center to center pin spacing is 2mm.
40 of the pins are the "normal" interface pins. 4 pins are used for power. For
a total of 44 pins (two rows of 22 pins).

In this document, a 4 pin block is next to the 44 pin main connector. It
is used to set master, slave, or cable select on the 2.5" drive.

http://www.wdc.com/en/library/eide/2579-001037.pdf

Here is a picture of a 44 pin drive, with the 4 pin master/slave/CS block on the right.
Total number of pins in this picture is 48 pins (minus the one removed for keying).

http://www.pcstats.com/articleimages/200609/supertalentFIDE8GB_pins.jpg

*******
40 pins is the standard for a 3.5" drive. Center to center pin spacing is 0.1"
There are no power pins on the 40 pin type. A separate Molex power connector
is used, to bring in +12V and +5V.

HTH,
Paul
 
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DanSolo

44 pins is the standard for a 2.5" drive. Center to center pin spacing is 2mm.
40 of the pins are the "normal" interface pins. 4 pins are used for power. For
a total of 44 pins (two rows of 22 pins).

In this document, a 4 pin block is next to the 44 pin main connector. It
is used to set master, slave, or cable select on the 2.5" drive.

http://www.wdc.com/en/library/eide/2579-001037.pdf

Here is a picture of a 44 pin drive, with the 4 pin master/slave/CS block on the right.
Total number of pins in this picture is 48 pins (minus the one removed for keying).

http://www.pcstats.com/articleimages/200609/supertalentFIDE8GB_pins.jpg
Click to expand...

So it's EIDE then rather than IDE? OK, I'll have a look on evilbay for
them...
 
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Paul

DanSolo said:
Right, I'm obviously talking total rubbish there. Would
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=180211775900
connect a 2.5inch 44 pin drive to my IDE to USB adaptor?
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That adapter converts from 44 pin 2mm center to center connector,
to a 40 pin 0.1" center to center connector. If the 40 pin 0.1" is
what your IDE-USB adapter uses, then the answer is yes. If you're
using an enclosure though, that would be a lot of crap to have
to fold up into it. With the tight spacing inside some enclosures,
you might not have room for any kind of adapter.

I would sooner just purchase the right bit of kit and have
it delivered to me, than connect together a kludge. You can find
USB2 to 2.5" enclosures or adapter kits. There are even kits that
include stuff for handling both 2.5" and 3.5" drives (such as
adapters that have more than one connector on the body of the
adapter). It's your choice.

It is even possible that the Ebay item you listed, might be
available at a local computer store. All the good stores where
I live, have gone bankrupt, and I haven't visited the others
lately.

Paul
 

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