hard disk failure and Ghost

R

Rand Al'Thor

My hard disk has failed, I have a hard disk with a recent non-bootable copy
on it using Ghost. I've booted Ghost CD but there is nothing on there to
make this hard disk bootable! Also no recovery points on the non-bootable
hard disk. Any Gurus' out there can help?

Thanks,

Alan
 
J

Jan Alter

Rand Al'Thor said:
My hard disk has failed, I have a hard disk with a recent non-bootable
copy on it using Ghost. I've booted Ghost CD but there is nothing on there
to make this hard disk bootable! Also no recovery points on the
non-bootable hard disk. Any Gurus' out there can help?

Thanks,

Alan
Sorry, I'm not a Ghost fan. However, I use Acronis. Acronis can restore an
image file that it makes of one's hard drive onto a hard drive for the same
computer. I'm wondering if the bootable Ghost CD has a utility to restore
the non-bootable copy of your current hard drive to a new hard drive that
you install into your computer.
 
V

VanguardLH

Rand said:
My hard disk has failed, I have a hard disk with a recent non-bootable copy
on it using Ghost. I've booted Ghost CD but there is nothing on there to
make this hard disk bootable! Also no recovery points on the non-bootable
hard disk. Any Gurus' out there can help?

Thanks,

Alan

An saved image of a partition is NOT a clone of that partition. You don't
mention if you saved an image of your OS partition as your backup or you
cloned your OS partition.
 
R

Rand Al'Thor

Rand Al'Thor said:
My hard disk has failed, I have a hard disk with a recent non-bootable
copy on it using Ghost. I've booted Ghost CD but there is nothing on there
to make this hard disk bootable! Also no recovery points on the
non-bootable hard disk. Any Gurus' out there can help?

Thanks,

Alan

Okay, I've managed to get Vista working and explorer.exe running so I have
access to directories but the major problem is the backup drive is still E
therefore iexplore doesn't work for the Intenet and most programs won't
load. I also do not have aministrator rights anymore. It's obvious that all
application paths are for C including regedit files which I've been told I
need to access to have any chance of changing the drive letter. I can see a
paradox comming on :)

Can drive letters be changed?

I'm sure if this can be done, I'll have things running again

Alan
 
P

Paul

Rand said:
My hard disk has failed, I have a hard disk with a recent non-bootable copy
on it using Ghost. I've booted Ghost CD but there is nothing on there to
make this hard disk bootable! Also no recovery points on the non-bootable
hard disk. Any Gurus' out there can help?

Thanks,

Alan

I can recount a little example for you.

I had two partitions, like this.

+------------+ +------------+
| C: | | E: |
+------------+ +------------+

I decided one day, it would be fun to copy C: to E:,
then erase C by reformatting it, then copy the files
back from E: to C:. To do the copy, I used the Microsoft
"Robocopy" to copy all the files. Since I have a dual boot
system, I could do this from "outside" the OS. So the
Windows stored on C:, isn't running when this copying
madness was in progress.

Well, I finished, then set the boot order in the BIOS,
to actually boot from the freshly prepared C:. It wouldn't
boot! What I didn't realize, is there are boot sectors put
there during install. So, at a minimum, your hard
drive actually looks like this.

<----------- This is the whole C: -------------->
+---+------------------------+----------------------+
|MBR| partition boot sector | files for C: |
+---+------------------------+----------------------+

When I did the copy of the files, I got the bit on the
right of the diagram. But a file copy, does not save
the boot sector in the middle of the diagram.

To repair the partition boot sector, use "fixboot" from the
Recovery Console.

To repair the MBR, use "fixmbr" from the Recovery Console.

Once I used "fixboot", my C: screwup was fixed. And I'm using
that C: right now, to type this.

If you have a genuine WinXP CD, you can boot from that and
enter the Recovery Console. It is also possible, to install
the Recovery Console, as a boot option when the computer
starts. But few people (myself included) don't bother to
do that. There is a third way, which is to get an ISO9660
image of a recovery console boot CD. One problem with that
idea, is perhaps the Service Pack level has to match. I
haven't tested this idea, of using a separate recovery
console boot CD, so I can't help you with that.

(Click a link here, and download the file. Inside the 4,677,680 byte
"xp_rec_con.zip" is an ISO9660 file. If you look inside that with 7ZIP,
you can see the contents of a Recovery Console CD. Looks like a couple
hundred files inside the "i386" folder. You need to use something like
Nero, to make a bootable CD from the contents of the ISO9660 file.
You don't just "copy" that file to an empty CD. There is no way of
knowing how trustworthy this particular compilation is and this is just
so you can see the files needed to make a Recovery Console CD. A genuine
WinXP installer CD has the ability to boot into Recovery Console, which
is why I don't need to test this compilation. This could very well have
been built from the floppy image set from the Microsoft site for all I
know.)

http://web.archive.org/*/http://www.webtree.ca/windowsxp/Tools/bootdiscs/xp_rec_con.zip

So if you were to Ghost back the simple file backup you hold in
your hand, make sure the partition is set active, do the
"fixboot" thing from the Recovery Console, maybe it might boot.

To do the experiments that I do, I have backups in case they fail.
What I do for backups, is a sector by sector copy of the entire
disk, or of the partition. I use "dd" in Linux for that, or there
is a "dd" for Windows port I use sometimes as well. This has saved
my bacon a few times. But any decent backup software, should be
able to make a "bare metal" backup, for recovery even to a new
empty disk drive. And the results should then be bootable, since the
tool claims to be able to handle "bare metal" and make it work.
The boot sector should get copied during a bare metal backup.

Paul
 
J

John Doe

Okay, I've managed to get Vista working and explorer.exe running
so I have access to directories

At this point, if you have any important files, find them and copy
them to another storage media like a flash drive.
 
F

Flasherly

My hard disk has failed, I have a hard disk with a recent non-bootable copy
on it using Ghost. I've booted Ghost CD but there is nothing on there to
make this hard disk bootable! Also no recovery points on the non-bootable
hard disk. Any Gurus' out there can help?

Thanks,

Alan

Command line driven, Ghost is adaptable to 1:1 scenario mismashes
between active partitions, given it's age;- not so sure I'd
necessarily want to push it with some newer 1.5T HDs and 4K segments
intended for Vista 7. Activating a non-bootable partition (given the
choice of one, so far) is about an OS, often from a system arbitrator,
provided some routine HD maintenance to that end. Ghost ... an offset
of Norton>Symantec had a little utility to that effect in the
backpages of their website called GDisk. Doubt it's something you'd
particularly care to exhume, tho.

Summary of Capabilities

GDISK has seven main modes of operation, the first four of
which correspond to the menu options in FDISK's main menu.

Creating partitions - Primary DOS partitions, Extended DOS
partitions, Logical DOS drives.

Deleting partitions of any type, including Non-DOS partitions.

Listing current partition information and installed fixed
disks.

Activating a partition (nominating it as the bootable
partition).

Making existing partitions invisible and visible again.

Reinitializing the Master Boot Record.

Batch-mode command execution.

Advantages over FDISK
 

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