Grrrr Cheap ass AMD clip.

[Wes Newell]

Waws cleaning inside the case tonight and the AMD cooler which only
latches on one nub on each end almost fell off in my hand. The middle nub
of the HS retainer broke. Now the HS retainer has 3 nubs but AMD cooler
only used one to hold the HS in place. Just pisses me off. Luckily I had a
spare $6 TR2-M6 in the closet. And as cgeap as it is, it uses a 3 nub clip
on each end. Now down to 2 on one end. Afterwards, looking at the
piece that broke showed that the center nub is the weakest of the 3 with
less mass connecting it to the hs retainer. Good design AMD.:-(

So watch out for falling heatsinks.

 

[Yadayada]

Waws cleaning inside the case tonight and the AMD cooler which only
latches on one nub on each end almost fell off in my hand. The middle nub
of the HS retainer broke. Now the HS retainer has 3 nubs but AMD cooler
only used one to hold the HS in place. Just pisses me off. Luckily I had a
spare $6 TR2-M6 in the closet. And as cgeap as it is, it uses a 3 nub clip
on each end. Now down to 2 on one end. Afterwards, looking at the
piece that broke showed that the center nub is the weakest of the 3 with
less mass connecting it to the hs retainer. Good design AMD.:-(

So watch out for falling heatsinks.

It wasn't by chance on a Jetway board was it?

 

[Wes Newell]

It wasn't by chance on a Jetway board was it?

S755MAX

 

[Darell]

Waws cleaning inside the case tonight and the AMD cooler which only
latches on one nub on each end almost fell off in my hand. The middle nub
of the HS retainer broke. Now the HS retainer has 3 nubs but AMD cooler
only used one to hold the HS in place. Just pisses me off. Luckily I had a
spare $6 TR2-M6 in the closet. And as cgeap as it is, it uses a 3 nub clip
on each end. Now down to 2 on one end. Afterwards, looking at the
piece that broke showed that the center nub is the weakest of the 3 with
less mass connecting it to the hs retainer. Good design AMD.:-(

So watch out for falling heatsinks.

I don't see how that could happen, after you latch the K8 heatsink you
turn the arm and it locks the heatsink down, there's no way it's coming
off, you must of installed it wrong or something.

I don't see how the heatsink retainer can break, they are pretty thick,
at least all mine are, maybe your motherboard just uses cheap parts?

DJD

 

[OldFartJC]

He is not using a K8. His is a K7 Athlon XP but still, I have assembled
many systems with those chips and never had a problem with any, even on my
cheapo ECS K7S5A board witch is still in use after almost 3 years on an
extra machine I have. I would say it is a faulty chip socket.

 

[No One Realy]

Mr Wes is specail. Just laugh at him and he will think where laughing
with him

 

[Yadayada]

S755MAX

I have replaced three of those boards for broken lugs. While I see where you
are coming from (and agree) with the need for a better retention mechanism
on the retail AMD HS, there appears to be a problem with the quality of the
jetway lugs also.

 

[Wes Newell]

I don't see how that could happen,

I just told you how it happened.

after you latch the K8 heatsink you
turn the arm and it locks the heatsink down, there's no way it's coming
off, you must of installed it wrong or something.

It wasn't installed wrong. The damn plastiuc nub just broke. I don't know
why that's so hard to understand.

I don't see how the heatsink retainer can break, they are pretty thick,
at least all mine are, maybe your motherboard just uses cheap parts?

That could be. The retainer did come with the MB. Perhaps others are
different. In any case, had AMD used 3 hole clips like they should have,
this whole discussion would be mute.

 

[Wes Newell]

He is not using a K8. His is a K7 Athlon XP but still, I have assembled
many systems with those chips and never had a problem with any, even on my
cheapo ECS K7S5A board witch is still in use after almost 3 years on an
extra machine I have. I would say it is a faulty chip socket.

Actually it was my K8 system that the nub broke on. Having installed
probably several hundred coolers starting with 486's, this is the first
I've seen break, although I have heard of single clip coolers breaking the
nubs on earlier sockets. But these were put under extreme force. Mine
wasn't.

 

[Wes Newell]

Mr Wes is specail. Just laugh at him and he will think where laughing
with him

Actually, it's special, not specail.

 

[Wes Newell]

I have replaced three of those boards for broken lugs. While I see where you
are coming from (and agree) with the need for a better retention mechanism
on the retail AMD HS, there appears to be a problem with the quality of the
jetway lugs also.

Well, in some ways that's good to hear. Really too bad because the board
works great.

 

[Doug Lynn]

Hi, you should not blame AMD for this one, they don't supply the plastic
that broke, thats now from motherboard manufacturer. Also AMD buys their
heatsinks from other vendors, they only make the cpus. I agree the 3 clip is
better not not mandatory, they don't break often.

 

[Wes Newell]

Hi, you should not blame AMD for this one, they don't supply the plastic
that broke, thats now from motherboard manufacturer. Also AMD buys their
heatsinks from other vendors, they only make the cpus. I agree the 3 clip is
better not not mandatory, they don't break often.

I blame AMD for specing a cooler with only one clip on each end when even
the cheapest made has 3. Now who else should I blame. The wheel on my car
has 4 lugs. Should I only use 2 of them because it will work?

 

[Ed]

Actually it was my K8 system that the nub broke on. Having installed
probably several hundred coolers starting with 486's, this is the first
I've seen break, although I have heard of single clip coolers breaking the
nubs on earlier sockets. But these were put under extreme force. Mine
wasn't.

Maybe you just got a bad Retention Frame, or the screws to the Backplate
were too tight and created a weak spot/hairline crack or something?

You can't blame AMD for a bracket failure, they just tell the OEMs the
specs it should be to qualify, although I wouldn't doubt some of them
cut corners to save a buck,... raise your hand if you've had boards with
bad CAPS.

I never liked that single clip crap since the K7 came out with no heat
spreader, but it's not all that bad on the K8. I've only built a few
dozen AMD sys over the years, but so far so good... no heatsinks falling
off or Nubs (I always called em Tabs) breaking off.

Good luck in your further endeavors!
Ed

 

[Wes Newell]

Maybe you just got a bad Retention Frame, or the screws to the Backplate
were too tight and created a weak spot/hairline crack or something?

I agree. The retainer nub should have been stronger.

You can't blame AMD for a bracket failure, they just tell the OEMs the
specs it should be to qualify, although I wouldn't doubt some of them
cut corners to save a buck,... raise your hand if you've had boards with
bad CAPS.

I guess everyones missing the whole point. If the AMD specs had called out
for a 3 hole clip (the way even the cheapest of other K8 HS are made)
instead of a single clip, all this could have been avoided. They designed
the retainer bracket with 3 nubs on each end and the HS with only 1. yes,
I blame AMD for a piss poor design of the cooler clip. If you want to
disagree with that, that's your right.

 

[Beoweolf]

So you bought the board...anyway? But, it's AMD's fault.

If you reserve the right to bad mouth AMD for the Mfg. spec. of a minimum
standard mounting...I guess it's OK to remind you that "you" bought the
board. Buyer beware!

With freedom comes responsibility.

 

[Ed Light]

I guess everyones missing the whole point. If the AMD specs had called out
for a 3 hole clip (the way even the cheapest of other K8 HS are made)
instead of a single clip, all this could have been avoided.

I support your conclusion. AMD wasn't thinking.


--
Ed Light

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MS Smiley :-\

Send spam to the FTC at
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Thanks, robots.

 

[Ed Light]

So you bought the board...anyway? But, it's AMD's fault.

If you reserve the right to bad mouth AMD for the Mfg. spec. of a minimum
standard mounting...I guess it's OK to remind you that "you" bought the
board. Buyer beware!

Corporate Power Crew?

Buyer the Pawn in Their Game.

Everything we have is due to the grace of the corporations? Nothing could be
wrong with them? Dissent is heresy?
--
Ed Light

Smiley :-/
MS Smiley :-\

Send spam to the FTC at
(e-mail address removed)
Thanks, robots.

 

[Yadayada]

cut corners to save a buck,... raise your hand if you've had boards with
bad CAPS.

OMG, have I? <wink> I used to swear by Abit boards and built many systems on
them. I have spent countless hours replacing BE6, BE6-II, BH6, BF6, etc
caps. I finally got tired of it and just started getting the owners
permission to change the board and eat the cost.

 

[Wes Newell]

So you bought the board...anyway? But, it's AMD's fault.

What's the board got to do with anything. The board is running fine, even
with the broken nub the AMD HS caused. I'm now using a different cooler.

If you reserve the right to bad mouth AMD for the Mfg. spec. of a
minimum standard mounting...I guess it's OK to remind you that "you"
bought the board. Buyer beware!

I reserve the right to badmouth anyone if the product is not designed
good. Now, do you think all coolers should be a single clip or 3? That's
the point and if you don't lie, you'll agree it should be 3. This is
beginning to sound like the Tivo ng where everyone there thinks Tivo can
do no wrong. AMD's coolers for the K7's were lousy, and the one for the K8
works a lot better, except for the mounting. With the added weight of the
retail K8 cooler, it should not have been design with a single clip. If
you don't agree with that you are just lieing to yourself.

With freedom comes responsibility.

I served my 4 years.