Great deal on Corsair RAM?

[David Maynard]

Just as I thought, David, you can't document it. I don't care about your
opinion. Your credibility is zip with me.

Doesn't really matter because with your guilty until proven innocent
theory, and presumption of motives, no amount of documentation would
suffice since you'd just call anything presented another 'trick' or lie.

It's just as prima facie obvious to me that, based on comments in this
thread and the Corsair memory thread alone, a LOT of people have gripes
against rebate companies and accuse them of worse than trickery.

10 unfounded accusations don't mean any more than 1, or a hundred.

Oh well, nice try. I'll be interested in hearing what precious "facts" (as
you mentioned in a different post in this thread) you can bring in to
support your position. Until then, I'll ignore your opinions and
speculations.

That's the beauty of making accusations, simply ignore anything that
doesn't fit.

 

[DP]

DP wrote:

That's the beauty of making accusations, simply ignore anything that
doesn't fit.

Please, give me something other than your opinion and I'll fit it into my
worldview. All I'm getting from you is a kneejerk defense of the companies,
but nothing other than your opinion.

I at least gave you one magazine story. Can't you at least come up with one
for your side?

 

[David Maynard]

Please, give me something other than your opinion and I'll fit it into my
worldview.

I already have.

All I'm getting from you is a kneejerk defense of the companies,
but nothing other than your opinion.

No, you just prefer to call it 'opinion' so you can dismiss it.

I at least gave you one magazine story. Can't you at least come up with one
for your side?

It was more convenient to use the one you provided.

 

[DP]

I already have.


No, you just prefer to call it 'opinion' so you can dismiss it.



It was more convenient to use the one you provided.

I didn't think you could come up with one.

Bye, David. I'll go back to ignoring you now.

 

[David Maynard]

I didn't think you could come up with one.

And what's wrong with your own source?

Bye, David. I'll go back to ignoring you now.

Didn't expect anything else.

 

[Don Freeman]

10 unfounded accusations don't mean any more than 1, or a hundred.

Even if they are valid complaints, you only hear about the complaints. In
any system where humans, or human created processes (which, at least until
the grey guys arrive, is all inclusive) you are going to have screw-ups.

I hate the entire mail-in rebate concept and try to buy items that do not
require them even if I do pay a little more, but I have had to do it many
times and have never once had one denied, lost, or mis-handled. Yes, they
are based on the companies hope that a sizable number will not go through
with the rebate for one reason or another, but as to some sort of
intentional scheme to defraud the customer? That is a little hard to
believe. Especially when you consider that the vendors do not handle the
rebates themselves, they are outsourced to a small group of companies that
contract out for this service. So if there is a conspiracy then it would
include two separate companies (and all the connected employees) and, IMO,
the risk of discovery and then prosecution would be terrible high, and not
worth whatever extra profit they may gain.

 

[Bob M]

Please, give me something other than your opinion and I'll fit it into my
worldview. All I'm getting from you is a kneejerk defense of the companies,
but nothing other than your opinion.

I at least gave you one magazine story. Can't you at least come up with one
for your side?

Here's another story against rebates.

http://www.consumeraffairs.com/consumerism/rebate_madness01.html

Bob

 

[Barry Watzman]

Zoom went out of business. So did Atlas peripherals. And yes, a lot of
people lost rebates in both of those instances. But while is possible,
it's rare and exceptional, and you really can't generalize from a few
such instances to the hundred or thousands of firms offering rebates.
And partially as a consequence of this, many retailers now guarantee
(sometimes informally) rebates offered on products they sell, even when
the rebate is from the manufacturer. I've had rebates that I otherwise
didn't receive paid to me directly from both the local Best Buy store
(as a Best Buy Gift Card) and the local Circuit City store (cash).
Neither store has an official rebate guarantee policy, but if you
sufficiently document your case and exhaust all other recourse, both did
make good on a promised rebate (and the Circuit City rebate, paid in
cash, was $200 for a laptop).


John Doe wrote:

 

[David Maynard]

Even if they are valid complaints, you only hear about the complaints.

Quite right, and I don't dispute that the complaints are valid. My comment
was about the 'accusation' derived from the complaints.

Take a classic western analogy, just for fun. Falsely accusing someone of
murder doesn't make him guilty nor is he guilty simply because you're able
to muster up a lynch mob.

In
any system where humans, or human created processes (which, at least until
the grey guys arrive, is all inclusive) you are going to have screw-ups.

Yeah, that's been one of my points.

 

[tcsenter]

Wow! Thanks for this meaningful contribution to the discussion. I'm
sure it took you some time to formulate a response as informative and
topical as this. Imagine if everyone put this kind of thought and
effort into USENET discussions?

Regards,

Tim

 

[Bob M]

Wow! Thanks for this meaningful contribution to the discussion. I'm
sure it took you some time to formulate a response as informative and
topical as this. Imagine if everyone put this kind of thought and
effort into USENET discussions?

Regards,

Tim

I'm glad you liked it.

 

[ASAAR]

Even if they are valid complaints, you only hear about the complaints. In
any system where humans, or human created processes (which, at least until
the grey guys arrive, is all inclusive) you are going to have screw-ups.

I hate the entire mail-in rebate concept and try to buy items that do not
require them even if I do pay a little more, but I have had to do it many
times and have never once had one denied, lost, or mis-handled.

I ordered a computer (kit, including LCD monitor + printer/copier)
several days ago (has AMD's 64 X2 4200+ cpu). I had CompUSA ($200
in mail-in rebates) and BestBuy (a $180 instant rebate) to choose
from, so I went with Best Buy. A day later I checked shipping
status and found that the order had been cancelled. It was pretty
bad at first, being unable to reach a human at the Best Buy store
after dozens of calls had been made. But finally, through the
considerable effort of a woman at Best Buy Corporate (1-800-BestBuy)
who had to deal with a jerk of a store manager, I was able to get
the assistance of another very helpful woman in the store's customer
service department who started correcting the paperwork mess, and
the next day when I arrived at the store, completed the order. It
appears to have gone through this time. Bonus: In the 2 days since
the original order was placed, the price dropped $39, so the
difference was credited and it turned out to be a better deal after
all than CompUSA's mail-in rebates would have provided, assuming
that I ever would have received the rebates.

I should add that the HP LCD display that I carried out of the
store several days ago is much more impressive at home than it was
in the store, so much better than my old, dying Sony Trinitron that
the old 200MHz PPro it's attached to almost seems like it's running
at 500MHz. <g>

 

[Venom]

What do you Corsair fanatics think of Value Select and Samsung RAM?

 

[BC]

What do you Corsair fanatics think of Value Select and Samsung RAM?

I have never purchased Samsung brand, but, from what I hear it has a
great reputation; is on a lot of "QVL"/qualified vendor lists.

Corsair: great warranty service, in my experience. Unfortunately,
have had to use their warranty service more than I would like: looks
like customers in the field do some of the QC they should be doing at
the factory, i.e. DOA modules, or, modules that didn't fail outright but
caused system instability.

You didn't mention whether you are shopping for 184 pin SDRAM DDR vs.
240 pin DDR2, but, here are some comparisons, assuming you want 1G, 2 x
512MB:

184 pin SDRAM DDR, all CAS 2.5 or better. (Note: paying a lot for
super high CAS doesn't pay off all that well..a few % increase in speed,
barely noticeable even in games...but, the CAS 2.5 or 2 modules have to
be tested more, have more "headroom", from what I understand.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...2E16820144141,N82E16820148007&SubCategory=147

For about the same price, I would go for the Kingston Hyper-X with the
heat spreaders, just because--even though heat spreaders don't do all
that much, they are a pretty blue....and, I have had 100% success with
my Kingston modules, no bad ones ever, yet.

However, looking at the experiences of Newegg customers: about 1,400
bought Corsair value ram, and all but 2% were very satisfied....230
bought Kingston value, about same excellent satisfaction level.

For DDR2, various speeds, since you did not specify:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...2E16820144199,N82E16820134030,N82E16820134011

Interesting that these two different speeds are the
same price at $83 with shipping:


CORSAIR ValueSelect 1GB (2 x 512MB)
240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM Unbuffered
*DDR2 533 (PC2 4200)*
Dual Channel Kit System Memory - Retail

CORSAIR VALUE SELECT 1GB (2 x 512MB)
240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM Unbuffered
*DDR2 667 (PC2 5300)*
Dual Channel Kit System Memory - Retail

The Corsair Value Select has the most reviews, with an extremely high
rating; any of the name brands in the link above will do fine,
depending on your budget. Of them, all good quality name brands with
lifetime warranties, I would probably go for the Corsair XMS with free
shipping:

CORSAIR XMS2 1GB (2 x 512MB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM Unbuffered DDR2 675 (PC2
5400) Dual Channel Kit System Memory - Retail

$101.00

In Stock
Free Three Day Shipping

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ShowI...ystem+Memory+Model+TWIN2X1024-5400C4+-+Retail

Um, has black and shiny heat spreaders, and a sparkly sticker....and,
being Corsair's XMS line, would estimate that there's a 99% chance it
will work absolutely great....that being said, I do think Kingston,
Micron, and Crucial are all excellent as well. (No experience with OCZ;
have heard they used to have QC problems, but that these issues have
been fixed...but, they are not on Asus QVL lists very often....not sure
why.)

If you were looking for 2 x 1g, you can start a search at Newegg here:

http://www.newegg.com/ProductSort/SubCategory.asp?SubCategory=147

HTH,

BC

PS: there are lies, damn lies, and statistics: lots of "anecdotal"
information in the above--but, enough anecdotes, like Consumer Reports'
auto survey, and you are able to see patterns. Looks like Corsair Value
RAM is solid, with a low error/failure rate...as mentioned, I had a
run where I got some bogus sticks (one for a laptop, the others for
non-stressed non-overclocked medical office PCs--errors did localize to
the memory modules with testing, and were corrected when they were
replaced....). Since RAM is so cheap right now, you might want to just
kick in a few more bucks for the XMS or HyperX or other "high end" line,
and be done with it....happy shopping....

 

[Venom]

I have never purchased Samsung brand, but, from what I hear it has a
great reputation; is on a lot of "QVL"/qualified vendor lists.

Corsair: great warranty service, in my experience. Unfortunately,
have had to use their warranty service more than I would like: looks
like customers in the field do some of the QC they should be doing at
the factory, i.e. DOA modules, or, modules that didn't fail outright but
caused system instability.

I was just asking because on an ASUS recommended ram chart I am looking at
it says in the Corsair section that Corsair is the Vendor for all the
assorted sizes etc but that the brand is either Value Select or Samsung. I
suppose I thought that Corsair manufactured their own ram.

 

[Ed]

I was just asking because on an ASUS recommended ram chart I am looking at
it says in the Corsair section that Corsair is the Vendor for all the
assorted sizes etc but that the brand is either Value Select or Samsung. I
suppose I thought that Corsair manufactured their own ram.

Corsair designs and manufactures modules since 1994.
Corsair modules are assembled at Fremont, CA facility.
http://www.corsairmemory.com/corsair/overview.html

 

[Wes Newell]

Corsair designs and manufactures modules since 1994.
Corsair modules are assembled at Fremont, CA facility.
http://www.corsairmemory.com/corsair/overview.html

And if that isn't clear enough, it means they don't manufacture the ram
chips themselves. I laugh my ass off at people that pay top dollar for so
called extreme this or that without really knowing what they are buying.
The module will perform no better than the ram that's on it. Some people
may tell you the layout matters, but it won't matter much if at all.
Consider electricity travels about 10 inches in 1 nanosecond. Do you
really think that a trace 1/8' shorter makes that much difference.