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Daniel

I have replace my Asus 7700 65 meg card with a BFG 256 meg FX5500oc Card
and am not getting any better performance out of it.
I was not expecting a world beater but I thought I would get some
improvement, but am still getting only 5,000 with 3D marks 2001 se
The help file tells me to update the driver for the AGP mini-port
on my Motherboard, an Asus P4T, but I cannot find a driver on the Asus site.
Is there a generic driver I could use.

thanks

Daniel
 
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kony

I have replace my Asus 7700 65 meg card with a BFG 256 meg FX5500oc Card
and am not getting any better performance out of it.

Many of the newer low-midgrade cards show more improvement
in newer games, DirectX 8 & 9. 3DMark was DX7, IIRC...
maybe DX8, it's been a while since I was interested in it.
Even so, yes the FX5500 might be expected to do better, what
CPU and how much memory is in the system?

I was not expecting a world beater but I thought I would get some
improvement, but am still getting only 5,000 with 3D marks 2001 se

Yes that does seem too low, IIRC 5,000 was around what one
could get out of a P3-1GHz and GF3.

The help file tells me to update the driver for the AGP mini-port
on my Motherboard, an Asus P4T, but I cannot find a driver on the Asus site.
Is there a generic driver I could use.

THe best driver is probably the newest one on Intel's
website, http://www.intel.com . Search for that (850)
chipset and there will be driver links.

I'm not wondering if you have a lower-speed P4, like around
1.4GHz? That would hurt performance a fair amount. Also if
you're not using newer nVidia Detonator drivers, get those
from nVidia's site... I suggest at least the 6x.xx series,
7x,xx is out now but some people report 6x.xx is more
stable, for example I recall a few people claiming v66.81
was a good choice, and can be found via Google search or at
one of the usual suspects like http://www.guru3d.com
 
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Daniel

kony said:
Many of the newer low-midgrade cards show more improvement
in newer games, DirectX 8 & 9. 3DMark was DX7, IIRC...
maybe DX8, it's been a while since I was interested in it.
Even so, yes the FX5500 might be expected to do better, what
CPU and how much memory is in the system?



Yes that does seem too low, IIRC 5,000 was around what one
could get out of a P3-1GHz and GF3.



THe best driver is probably the newest one on Intel's
website, http://www.intel.com . Search for that (850)
chipset and there will be driver links.

I'm not wondering if you have a lower-speed P4, like around
1.4GHz? That would hurt performance a fair amount. Also if
you're not using newer nVidia Detonator drivers, get those
from nVidia's site... I suggest at least the 6x.xx series,
7x,xx is out now but some people report 6x.xx is more
stable, for example I recall a few people claiming v66.81
was a good choice, and can be found via Google search or at
one of the usual suspects like http://www.guru3d.com

Thanks for the response, I will have a look for the Chipset driver
and install it, I have the latest Detonator driver,
I will look for the 66.81 and have a go.
My system is WinXP with a P4 1.3 gig 784 meg ram, not
a massive lot of grunt but adequate, I work with 200 meg graphic files
without problems so expect I have enough to support the FX5500,
and the issue is the comparison between the 64 and 256 meg card.

I'll let you know how I get on.

thanks

Daniel
 
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kony

Thanks for the response, I will have a look for the Chipset driver
and install it, I have the latest Detonator driver,
I will look for the 66.81 and have a go.

While that can improve stability in some situations, it
shouldn't make more than a couple hundred 3Dmark points
difference (if that, usually less).

My system is WinXP with a P4 1.3 gig 784 meg ram, not
a massive lot of grunt but adequate,

784MB is sufficient for the vast majority of games that
video card is fast enough to play (that is, IF the rest of
the system weren't bottlenecking the card, if it was giving
all it could performance-wise). Based on a vague
recollection (I chose to avoid Rambus memory as much as
possible in that era), the board would use Rambus memory and
so it avoids the bottlenecks of the lower-end solutions of
that era, IE- not using PC133 memory.

The P4 1.3GHz is a serious bottleneck though, I would expect
a faster CPU to improve scores (and real-life gaming
performance, on most games which aren't solely
video-card-bound) by a large percentage. I don't have that
combo of parts but would guesstimate it should be a minimim
uf 50% faster if it weren't for the CPU.

I work with 200 meg graphic files
without problems so expect I have enough to support the FX5500,
and the issue is the comparison between the 64 and 256 meg card.

Graphic files should perform similarly either way, the video
card in this context is only a frame buffer, not doing 3D
calculations (in general use, though you might have
something more specific in mind like CAD? Otherwise the
video card doesn't matter much at all).

The CPU is still a large bottleneck in manipulations of
200MB files, though in that filesize range, the 768MB of
system memory might be an issue too, depending on applicaton
utilization of memory and caching of files.


3DMark scores are better applied to potential gaming
performance than lesser-related tasks like imaging.
 
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DaveW

The FX 5500 is an entry level card and is clocked quite slow, so I would NOT
expect much speed out of it.
 
K

kony

The FX 5500 is an entry level card and is clocked quite slow, so I would NOT
expect much speed out of it.

Slow relative to many modern gaming cards, yes.
However, with a faster system it should score at least 7500
with default 3DMark2001 settings including resolution, no AA
or AF... and a little higher if it's very overclockable.
While that is still relatively slow, it's also about 50%
faster than the current results seen by the OP.
 
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Daniel

Thanks for your advice, I have updated the chipset driver and the 66.81
Detonator driver but have not increased any 3d scores.
Do you know about Wizmarks it is a fairly old benchmark
but my score in Wizmarks has dropped a lot!!
Anyway, if you think of something else please let me know.

thanks

Daniel
 
K

kony

Thanks for your advice, I have updated the chipset driver and the 66.81
Detonator driver but have not increased any 3d scores.
Do you know about Wizmarks it is a fairly old benchmark
but my score in Wizmarks has dropped a lot!!
Anyway, if you think of something else please let me know.

I'm not familiar with Wizmarks.

There is no magic bullet here, the CPU is a bottleneck.
On the other hand, it could be seen as a wise choice to get
a "value" grade card for the system rather than overspending
on a higher-performance card that'd still be bottlenecked by
the CPU. All things considered, it wasn't a bad match...
just about any newer video card will be bottlenecked by the
system, when placed in an older system.
 
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Daniel

kony said:
I'm not familiar with Wizmarks.

There is no magic bullet here, the CPU is a bottleneck.
On the other hand, it could be seen as a wise choice to get
a "value" grade card for the system rather than overspending
on a higher-performance card that'd still be bottlenecked by
the CPU. All things considered, it wasn't a bad match...
just about any newer video card will be bottlenecked by the
system, when placed in an older system.

Thanks

even more reason to upgrade, I'll talk to the boss!!

Daniel
 

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