Google developers kicking our @sses again. Look at this...

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Hillbilly

Google has implemented integration with Twitter feeds in an iFrame returned
with search results.

search: ces 2010

Observe the 5th or so result "Latest results for ces 2010- Pause" and see
why these guys are clearly becoming the most advanced and sophisticated
developers on the planet when it comes to innovation. I only bring this up
because its getting embarassing we're so far behind in all that matters to
the customers that would hire us.

So the question here is what are you saying to savvy customers to win
projects these days?
 
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Gregory A. Beamer

Google has implemented integration with Twitter feeds in an iFrame
returned with search results.

search: ces 2010

First off, putting an iframe with a twitter feed is not really that
impressive, as it is quite easy to poll with JavaScript. There are
plenty of sites using the Twitter feed concept that update.

If this is evidence of the vast superiority of Google developers, then
you are easily impressed with very simple wizardry and need to reduce
your awe level. ;-)
Observe the 5th or so result "Latest results for ces 2010- Pause" and
see why these guys are clearly becoming the most advanced and
sophisticated developers on the planet when it comes to innovation. I
only bring this up because its getting embarassing we're so far behind
in all that matters to the customers that would hire us.

I disagree.
So the question here is what are you saying to savvy customers to win
projects these days?

Frankly, there is more than enough work out there if you are talented.
You are not going to land the hire a coder jobs, in general, as some kid
in India will do it for 3 cents an hour, so that end of the spectrum is
out. You are also probably not going to get the high end, million
transactions an hour jobs, unless that is what you do. In the middle of
these two book ends, there is plenty of work.

One of the main things is having confidence and the perserverence to
continue when someone says no.


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Gregory A. Beamer (MVP)

Twitter: @gbworld
Blog: http://gregorybeamer.spaces.live.com

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Gregory A. Beamer


Hillbilly can be a "troll" at times, but I think he is truly asking a
question this time. I am not overly impressed with his example, however.
;-)

Peace and Grace,

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Gregory A. Beamer (MVP)

Twitter: @gbworld
Blog: http://gregorybeamer.spaces.live.com

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Hillbilly

From a business perspective it's indicative of how Google puts it right out
there iteratively and has mastered the appearance of not making everybody
wait around with their head stuck up their @ss waiting for a yearly
announcement from an old fat bald man.

AFIC Google just signed the death warrant for IE Accellerators and is now
positioned to reinforce their dominion of the page enabling the use of Web
Services to implement what we call PIP when talking about the analog which
has been implemented on TV.

And what do you say to somebody when you need SharePoint functionality that
Google is now beginning to provide free but Microsoft still apparently wants
a $30,000 down payment to get started?

Its evidence of something all right. And I have customers asking these
questions I do not know how to answer.
 
G

Gregory A. Beamer

From a business perspective it's indicative of how Google puts it
right out there iteratively and has mastered the appearance of not
making everybody wait around with their head stuck up their @ss
waiting for a yearly announcement from an old fat bald man.

Let's compare apples to apples. Google announced an OS and has not just
"put it out there". It is still vapor ware. At least some of MS's stuff
is out in beta. So, you can play the "my dad is bigger than yours" game
from both directions.

If you compare apples to apples, you also see a lot of new features in a
variety of MS web initiatives. The cloud stuff is finally cemented and
gaining better adoption than many other cloud initiatives.

I am not fully disagreeing with you, as I think MS has quite a few
problems of its own, but I would focus on true weak points rather than
comparing unlike substances.
AFIC Google just signed the death warrant for IE Accellerators and is
now positioned to reinforce their dominion of the page enabling the
use of Web Services to implement what we call PIP when talking about
the analog which has been implemented on TV.

It may get rid of some accelerators, but I routinely use "map in
Google" as my map accelerator and "twitter search" is not going to
change that.

I really think Google is a good search engine (although Bing is growing
on me in some types of searches). I love Google maps (have an
accelerator to map in Google maps, as mentioned ;->). And I am pretty
fond of Google earth.

Conversely, I think Chrome is a dog. I doubt I would have a Android
phone. And, the new Windows search is good enough I am not going to
download Google desktop.

Sounds like a pretty mixed bag when you look at it objectively.
And what do you say to somebody when you need SharePoint functionality
that Google is now beginning to provide free but Microsoft still
apparently wants a $30,000 down payment to get started?

There is a lot of functionality you CAN get for free with SharePoint
Services. MOSS is just easier for Enterprises and Google is not giving
away Enterprise level stuff. So, what you are getting into is a holy war
comparing unlike products.
Its evidence of something all right. And I have customers asking these
questions I do not know how to answer.

This is the crux of your issue, but the solution is asking questions
rather than coming across like a rabid dog. The best return is not
always towards the initial free hit from the crack dealer.

You can't win everyone. What I sell on is ROI and if I calculate open
source saves a company money, I use it. I don't always go the MS route,
if there are better options. In Nashville, MS wins more than not,
although I use open source .NET bits. And if someone does not like my
ROI calculations and wants free, I often get a call back to fix things
when the "cheaper" route fails for them. And when they succeed, I am
happy for them. Plenty of work to go around.

My business is not hurting from Google adding free bits (in fact, I
would say I am having one of the best years of my career). And, I
sometimes use Google bits in the web apps I build (although you do have
to take in account Google maps are not free once you reach a certain
level).

Peace and Grace,

--
Gregory A. Beamer (MVP)

Twitter: @gbworld
Blog: http://gregorybeamer.spaces.live.com

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Hillbilly

The whole thing is Google and now Apple have been doing a much better job of
getting the attention of the customers who hire people like you and me. But
I'm glad you're having a good year :) up North here is not.
 
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Alvin Bruney - ASP.NET MVP

I don't see the same thing in my universe - financial space. The push is to
avoid opensource and go with the big guys - IBM/Microsoft. The selling point
is: 1. Total Cost of Ownership. 2. When the phone rings are 3am.

In my world, an executive could maybe let 1 slide. 2 is simply not an option
even if it costs major bucks.
 
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Gregory A. Beamer

The whole thing is Google and now Apple have been doing a much better
job of getting the attention of the customers who hire people like you
and me. But I'm glad you're having a good year :) up North here is
not.

I disagree, but you might have found that to be true where you are. I
know a friend in Michigan that is having a very hard go and considering
a move back to Nashville.

There is still a lot of full time work in Nashville, although the full
time rates are down ($90 - $95k for senior rather than the $100k+ from a
year or two ago).

There is also a lot of contract work. The bulk is in the $45-50/hr, but
there is still some work higher than that. If you 1099, you will
generally get even more.

All of the work I am seeing is .NET Framework, except perhaps a few
bits.

Selling yourself is always harder, and you end up with more
perserverence than with other routes. But i still have some good paying
gigs in the hopper, if I can just break free from what I am doing at
this moment.

Peace and Grace,

--
Gregory A. Beamer (MVP)

Twitter: @gbworld
Blog: http://gregorybeamer.spaces.live.com

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