"Generic" ink and printer trouble

[TJ]

Measekite has claimed ad nauseum that many, if not most, of the posters
to this newsgroup that have reported printer troubles are reporting that
the troubles are traced to the use of non-OEM ink, "generic" in his
terminology. I disagree, as do several others who regularly post here.
My impression is that most problems don't have anything to do with the
ink used, and those that do are evenly balanced between OEM and non-OEM,
if perhaps slightly skewed toward OEM. I'm talking about actual user
problems here, not discussions on product testing done by Wilhelm or
some magazine or another.

We go back and forth on this subject, each side making claims that
aren't really backed up by objective analysis. We need an objective
third party to settle the matter, someone without an ax to grind who is
willing to survey the posts and determine the REAL story. It would be a
huge job, especially for a "disinterested" volunteer, but it's the only
way I can think of to learn whose assertions are really correct. Legions
of printer users are counting on this newsgroup for helpful information
and we owe it to them to be accurate.

Any takers?

TJ

 

[Michael Johnson, PE]

Sorry TJ but I'm not going to waste my time to prove something I already
know is true... a good quality compatible ink will not harm your
printer, will not fade much (if any) more than OEM ink and will save you
a ton of money. Besides, even if you compile all this data it won't
change his mind.

 

[Arthur Entlich]

Even with attempting to gather an unbiased and accurate group of stats,
the methodology if flawed.

I think one can assume that there are more people who have inkjet
related clogs on this list than in the general population of inkjet
users, because many come here due to printer woes, including clogs.

Further, the population of this list is principally "anglo" speakers,
which limits the responses.

THirdly, even if the person did indicate the nature of the ink they were
using, unless we know the relative numbers of sales for the countries
represented here. For instance, if a certain printer sold many more
units, it would tend to show up here with more clogs than one which sold
many less. Certain OEM ink formulations are more clog prone (as are
some 3rd party inks) due to their formulation and purpose.

We'd also need to have some idea of what percentage of the users here
actually use 3rd party inks. I imagine most still use OEM. ALso, many
will use OEM inks during the warranty period and then switch to 3rd
party inks. The printer is more likely to clog later in it's life than
earlier.

It would be nearly impossible, without a long interview, that the
printers could be characterized in a neutral enough manner to screen out
many variables that can confound such a story.

Art

 

[measekite]

Measekite has claimed ad nauseum that many, if not most, of the
posters to this newsgroup that have reported printer troubles are
reporting that the troubles are traced to the use of non-OEM ink,
"generic" in his terminology. I disagree, as do several others who
regularly post here.

many of the several you speak about have ties to the relabelers.

My impression is that most problems don't have anything to do with the
ink used,

what a joke they have to do with clogging heads, streaks, fading, not
having the quality they expect. the colors are not right there are no
profiles cause they do not know what they are using. gimme a break.

and those that do are evenly balanced between OEM and non-OEM, if
perhaps slightly skewed toward OEM.

old mac donald

I'm talking about actual user problems here, not discussions on
product testing done by Wilhelm or some magazine or another.

We go back and forth on this subject, each side making claims that
aren't really backed up by objective analysis. We need an objective
third party to settle the matter,

ha ha ha

there is

Wilhelm
PC World
PC MagaZINE
and many others.

someone without an ax to grind who is willing to survey the posts and
determine the REAL story. It would be a huge job, especially for a
"disinterested" volunteer,

you need professional testers not volunteers

but it's the only way I can think of to learn whose assertions are
really correct.

Legions of printer users are counting on this newsgroup for helpful
information and we owe it to them to be accurate.

that statement is even more ludicrious. the oems are selling millions
of carts a year and you speak about the relatively few who make a
posting on this ng as legions as if they are counting on what is said
here. the people who happen upon this ng are only a handful of the
people who have problems with generic ink and other printer problems.
the majority of people on the internet do not even know what a ng is.

everyplace you go and speak to anyone at random ask them if they ever go
on to the internet. ask them what a newsgroup is. and then ask them if
they post or read any and if yes ask them if they go on to a printer ng.

 

[TJ]

many of the several you speak about have ties to the relabelers.



what a joke they have to do with clogging heads, streaks, fading, not
having the quality they expect. the colors are not right there are no
profiles cause they do not know what they are using. gimme a break.



old mac donald




ha ha ha

there is

Wilhelm
PC World
PC MagaZINE
and many others.



you need professional testers not volunteers



that statement is even more ludicrious. the oems are selling millions
of carts a year and you speak about the relatively few who make a
posting on this ng as legions as if they are counting on what is said
here. the people who happen upon this ng are only a handful of the
people who have problems with generic ink and other printer problems.
the majority of people on the internet do not even know what a ng is.

everyplace you go and speak to anyone at random ask them if they ever go
on to the internet. ask them what a newsgroup is. and then ask them if
they post or read any and if yes ask them if they go on to a printer ng.

You take yourself entirely too seriously, guy. Lighten up - Life is too
short to go around scowling all the time.

TJ

 

[measekite]

You take yourself entirely too seriously, guy. Lighten up - Life is
too short to go around scowling all the time.

i accept the above intrepretation that you now agree with much of what i
said.

 

[TJ]

i accept the above intrepretation that you now agree with much of what i
said.

I don't see why you'd say that, but accept anything you want. Just know
that I don't agree with much of anything you've said over and over and
over and... In fact, I'd say you're about the second-most disagreeable
person I've ever met online.

TJ

 

[measekite]

I don't see why you'd say that, but accept anything you want. Just
know that I don't agree with much of anything you've said over and
over and over and... In fact, I'd say you're about the second-most
disagreeable person I've ever met online.

you are my assEt

 

[frank]

I don't see why you'd say that, but accept anything you want. Just know
that I don't agree with much of anything you've said over and over and
over and... In fact, I'd say you're about the second-most disagreeable
person I've ever met online.

TJ

TJ, you're dealing with a delusional deranged moron loser who also
happens to be a complete imbecile and an idiot.
Quite an accomplishment for a brain jackass wouldn't you say?
Frank

 

[TJ]

TJ, you're dealing with a delusional deranged moron loser who also
happens to be a complete imbecile and an idiot.
Quite an accomplishment for a brain jackass wouldn't you say?
Frank

UH, Frank... Your post isn't too clear on one point. Do you consider ME
the brain jackass for dealing with him, or is it HIM who has
accomplished something?

TJ

 

[frank]

UH, Frank... Your post isn't too clear on one point. Do you consider ME
the brain jackass for dealing with him, or is it HIM who has
accomplished something?

TJ

hehehe...meashershithead is the brainless jackass. I see from his
postings he is starting to revert to his old ways (becoming childish
when his lies start to show).
Frank

 

[phreak]

Hay Butt-head, how about posting proof that posters here are tied to
refillers, etc, etc.

Numbers and facts mean something, all else is well, you know.........

Oh, and what about your personal printer inventory, still using one
obsolete printer??

 

[measekite]

why is the crank calling you names. he must be referring to himself. i
am glad his dander is up. maybe he is red faced and needs a beer.

UH, Frank... Your post isn't too clear on one point. Do you consider
ME the brain jackass for dealing with him, or is it HIM who has
accomplished something?

:-D :-D :-D

 

[measekite]

Hay Butt-head, how about posting proof that posters here are tied to
refillers, etc, etc.

Numbers and facts mean something, all else is well, you know.........

Oh, and what about your personal printer inventory, still using one
obsolete printer??

i am using a printer to print code and short articles from the internet
using draft mode that almost rivals most printers standard mode and i
use full duplex. many times one web page prints as 2 to 5 printing
pages. how does you head feel where the sun don't shine?

 

[John McWilliams]

In any event if both TJ and frank stopped talking about him, much less
replying to any of his posts, it'd be helpful.

 

[measekite]

In any event if both TJ and frank stopped talking about him, much less
replying to any of his posts, it'd be helpful.

and how bout you

 

[Richard Steinfeld]

TJ, you're dealing with a delusional deranged moron loser who also
happens to be a complete imbecile and an idiot.
Quite an accomplishment for a brain jackass wouldn't you say?
Frank

Please don't insult my President.

 

[zakezuke]

i am using a printer to print code and short articles from the internet
using draft mode that almost rivals most printers standard mode and i
use full duplex. many times one web page prints as 2 to 5 printing
pages. how does you head feel where the sun don't shine?

Near as I'm aware your HP doesn't automaticly duplex and you can't be
talking about your canon as draft mode on it isn't well... very good.
And you could never figure out how to employ software duplexing, i.e.
manual flipping aka manual duplex from visual basic... so I have to say
this is another measekite lie.

As for websites... printing from firefox is pretty good. Print preview
is your friend. But if you would rather print and take it on faith
it'll print correctly and waste paper... that's your business.

 

[George E. Cawthon]

Ha! An excellent analysis. Data gathered that is
based primarily on active participation (usually
those that have negative experiences), such as a
news group, is always flawed for the reasons you
state. The people who are satisfied never
complain or make a statement. Members of unheard
group also includes those that just give up when
they have problems, don't have a problem but
using the equipment is too complicated and many
others.

A fair and accurate assessment requires (1) asking
specific questions that are carefully formed to
avoid biased answers (2) from a representative
population sample. Neither of these are simple
tasks.

 

[measekite]

Ha! An excellent analysis. Data gathered that is based primarily on
active participation (usually those that have negative experiences),
such as a news group, is always flawed for the reasons you state. The
people who are satisfied never complain or make a statement. Members
of unheard group also includes those that just give up when they have
problems, don't have a problem but using the equipment is too
complicated and many others.

HA! A very poor analysis. The vast majority of people who use an inkjet
printer to print photographs have never heard of this group and most do
not even know what a newsgroup is. The minority who use the junkie ink
and have the problems I describe like poorer quality and clogging either
suffer in silence or do not know their printer can do better. The very
vast majority are using OEM ink. That can be proven to be true by
looking at the total profits the OEMs make on their printing business.