General cry for help...

[larry_lavaughn]

This is a long story so bear with me... I am looking for info on why this
didn't work the last time and if it's possible for it to work:
My system is as follows:
Abit fatal1ty an8-sli mobo, AMD AthlonXP64x2 3800+, Corsair ram (512x2),
Crucial ram (1x2), Zortac 7300gt pci-e vid cards (x2), Maxtor 6l200m0 250gb,
Maxtor 6l300s0 300 gb, WD platinum 080G 8f7200 80gb (C drive), wdc wd400bb
40gb, dvdrw ide 16x dvd burner, hl-dt-t cd-rw cd burner Maxtor One Touch II
250gb backup drive (full).
Now, on to the problem: previously, I was using the 40gb hdd (wd400bb) as my
C drive, the 200gb and 300gb drives for data, like games and photos, and the
80gb hdd (WDP 080G) as my Windows swap file drive. I figured that the more
space Windows could use as a swap file, the better it would run. Generall I
have a myriad of IMs, various IE addons and AVG constantly running. In light
of the fact that my system recently crashed I was wondering how feasable this
process is, and if anyone has ever encountered this issue. I beleive that the
reason for my last fatal crash was from some sort of viral activity, but a
second glance shows that itmight have been from Windows XP Pro gumming up
with works on the 80 swap file drive.
Any thoughts on why this would/wouldn't work?
I am in the process right now of backingup stuff from the 40gb (old c drive)
to disc(s) to to reestablish a swap file drive.

 

[jimbo571]

This is a long story so bear with me... I am looking for info on why this
didn't work the last time and if it's possible for it to work:
My system is as follows:
Abit fatal1ty an8-sli mobo, AMD AthlonXP64x2 3800+, Corsair ram (512x2),
Crucial ram (1x2), Zortac 7300gt pci-e vid cards (x2), Maxtor 6l200m0 250gb,
Maxtor 6l300s0 300 gb, WD platinum 080G 8f7200 80gb (C drive), wdc wd400bb
40gb, dvdrw ide 16x dvd burner, hl-dt-t cd-rw cd burner Maxtor One Touch II
250gb backup drive (full).
Now, on to the problem: previously, I was using the 40gb hdd (wd400bb) as my
C drive, the 200gb and 300gb drives for data, like games and photos, and the
80gb hdd (WDP 080G) as my Windows swap file drive. I figured that the more
space Windows could use as a swap file, the better it would run. Generall I
have a myriad of IMs, various IE addons and AVG constantly running. In light
of the fact that my system recently crashed I was wondering how feasable this
process is, and if anyone has ever encountered this issue. I beleive that the
reason for my last fatal crash was from some sort of viral activity, but a
second glance shows that itmight have been from Windows XP Pro gumming up
with works on the 80 swap file drive.
Any thoughts on why this would/wouldn't work?
I am in the process right now of backingup stuff from the 40gb (old c drive)
to disc(s) to to reestablish a swap file drive.

Just curious - how long has the system been running like this ?

 

[db.·.. >]

uninstall avg and set
your swap file to a custom
size of initial=2 and
max = to the system
recommendation found
on the lower portion
of the vm dialog window.

also, be sure to have
only one swap file either
in an empty partition or
on the system partition.

 

[db.·.. >]

ps: this is why i am
concerned with avg:

http://www.grisoft.com/ww.privacy

--

db·´¯`·...¸><)))º>

uninstall avg and set
your swap file to a custom
size of initial=2 and
max = to the system
recommendation found
on the lower portion
of the vm dialog window.

also, be sure to have
only one swap file either
in an empty partition or
on the system partition.

 

[John John (MVP)]

Utter nonsense! What is it about their privacy policy that is of
concern to you? What is it that is written there that others should be
wary of?

John

 

[Tom [Pepper] Willett]

....and, what is written there that is different from many other software
companies who do the same? ;-)

Tom

: Utter nonsense! What is it about their privacy policy that is of
: concern to you? What is it that is written there that others should be
: wary of?
:
: John
:
: db.·.. ><))) ·>` .. . wrote:
:
: > ps: this is why i am
: > concerned with avg:
: >
: > http://www.grisoft.com/ww.privacy
: >
:

 

[db.·.. >]

the difference is that
software companies
either protect your
privacy or do not.

further, if you think that
ms updates provided to
users in the u.s. are the
same as those in foreign
countries, then you will
not encounter any
compatiability issues.

if you want to install
software made in
czechoslovakia then
go ahead.

 

[John John (MVP)]

You are one ignorant bast*rd! Please educate yourself on the history
and struggles of the Czech Republic and it people. Now not only are you
trying to discredit a very reputable company, you are also trying to
denigrate the fine citizens of a whole European nation. You are an
ignorant bigot!

John

 

[larry_lavaughn]

I had a few old hard drives lying around a couple of months ago after
re-doing my daughters computer, so I decided to try the one big swap file
drive idea then... about June. I was using the 40 gb as the cdrive and the 80
gb as the swap drive. After catching something... I decided to swap the
drives and thus far I haven't had any problems, but I wanted to find out if
this was a recorded issue...thus far I haven't made the 40gb the swap file
and all hard drives are running off the c drive swap file. I will keep it
this way until I can back up what I want to keep from the 40 gb

 

[larry_lavaughn]

What the situation was, is that I had Windows use the whole drive as the swap
file... the whole last drive on the chain was just for use as the swap file.
--
If U always do what you always did...
you';; always get what you always got!

uninstall avg and set
your swap file to a custom
size of initial=2 and
max = to the system
recommendation found
on the lower portion
of the vm dialog window.

also, be sure to have
only one swap file either
in an empty partition or
on the system partition.

 

[db.·.. >]

well, the swap file can't
be bigger than 1.5 times
the size of your ram.

it is a direct correlation
to the amount of ram,
so anything over the max
size, the computer simply
won't use it.

in fact, it is a balancing
act because the more
ram you have the less
swap file the computer
needs.

the best thing is to simply
use the recommended max
size that windows tells you.

because an oversized swap
file will reduce performance.
--

db·´¯`·...¸><)))º>

What the situation was, is that I had Windows use the whole drive as the swap
file... the whole last drive on the chain was just for use as the swap file.

 

[Bill in Co.]

Who says? And since when?

well, the swap file can't
be bigger than 1.5 times
the size of your ram.

it is a direct correlation
to the amount of ram,
so anything over the max
size, the computer simply
won't use it.

in fact, it is a balancing
act because the more
ram you have the less
swap file the computer
needs.

the best thing is to simply
use the recommended max
size that windows tells you.

because an oversized swap
file will reduce performance.
--

db·´¯`·...¸><)))º>

message

 

[Bruce Chambers]

well, the swap file can't
be bigger than 1.5 times
the size of your ram.

Of course it can. Yet another subject about which you demonstrate your
complete ignorance.

it is a direct correlation
to the amount of ram,
so anything over the max
size, the computer simply
won't use it.

Is this another of your deliberate lies, or are you really this stupid?

in fact, it is a balancing
act because the more
ram you have the less
swap file the computer
needs.

Maybe, maybe not. It depends upon how each specific application is
designed to use the swap file, if at all.

the best thing is to simply
use the recommended max
size that windows tells you.

No, there is no "one-size-fits-all" answer; different users will have
different needs, and can benefit from configuring their systems, to
include the swap file, accordingly. The better course, for most users,
though, is to let WinXP manage the swap file; don't set a specific size.

because an oversized swap
file will reduce performance.

Nonsense.

And now, in what I feel sure will be a vain attempt to educate you:

Virtual Memory in Windows XP
http://www.aumha.org/win5/a/xpvm.htm


--

Bruce Chambers

Help us help you:


http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx/kb/555375

They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. ~Benjamin Franklin

Many people would rather die than think; in fact, most do. ~Bertrand Russell

The philosopher has never killed any priests, whereas the priest has
killed a great many philosophers.
~ Denis Diderot

 

[Bill in Co.]

I think he's still looking for the Any Key, in "..press any key.." Don't
rush him.

 

[db.·.. >]

your habit for trolling
has no limits.

go ahead and set
your vm to more than
the recommended
size.

your system won't
use it and if programs
need more, they will
tell you.

keep your moronic
postings to yourself.

 

[db.·.. >]

microsoft has the final
word on its operating
system:


http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555223:

A frequently asked question is how big should I make the pagefile? There is no single answer to this question, because it depends
on the amount of installed RAM and how much virtual memory that workload requires. If there is no other information available, the
normal recommendation of 1.5 times the amount of RAM in the computer is a good place to start. On server systems, a common
objective is to have enough RAM so that there is never a shortage and the pagefile is essentially, not used. On these systems,
having a really large pagefile may serve no useful purpose. On the other hand, disk space is usually plentiful, so having a large
pagefile (e.g. 1.5 times the installed RAM) does not cause a problem and eliminates the need to fuss over how large to make it.

 

[John John (MVP)]

And how does that support your incorrect statement that:

"well, the swap file can't
be bigger than 1.5 times
the size of your ram."

Note: "... *can't* be bigger than 1.5 times..."

And what about the other technical information on other Microsoft pages
that states:

"The paging file can be much larger (up to three times the physical RAM
is typical) if the system is being used for application consolidation."

Is that incorrect or is it you that is right? While it is true that 1.5
times RAM is the general recommendation it is not a value written in
stone, Bruce is correct, for most users it is best to let Windows manage
the swap file.

As for your assertion that:

"...an oversized swap
file will reduce performance."

That is just plain utter nonsense, cow dung...

Really, the time for politeness and niceties with you has long ago
expired, for the longest time many (including me) have attempted to
gently and politely correct you or steer you towards reliable
information and documentation but you constantly come back and insult
those who attempt to inform you and correct your inaccurate statements,
you are nothing but a blithering idiot! And believe me, I rarely use
these words in these groups, but for you they are totally appropriate!

John

 

[Bruce Chambers]

microsoft has the final
word on its operating
system:

No, Microsoft doesn't have a *final* word, although I'm sure they
sometimes wish they did. Anyone is free to evaluate and judge the OS,
and publish the results of said evaluation.

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555223:

A frequently asked question is how big should I make the pagefile?
There is no single answer to this question, because it depends on the
amount of installed RAM and how much virtual memory that workload
requires. If there is no other information available, the normal
recommendation of 1.5 times the amount of RAM in the computer is a good
place to start. On server systems, a common objective is to have enough
RAM so that there is never a shortage and the pagefile is essentially,
not used. On these systems, having a really large pagefile may serve no
useful purpose. On the other hand, disk space is usually plentiful, so
having a large pagefile (e.g. 1.5 times the installed RAM) does not
cause a problem and eliminates the need to fuss over how large to make it.

Thanks for providing additional documentation demonstrating exactly how
wrong you were in your first post on the subject.


--

Bruce Chambers

Help us help you:


http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx/kb/555375

They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. ~Benjamin Franklin

Many people would rather die than think; in fact, most do. ~Bertrand Russell

The philosopher has never killed any priests, whereas the priest has
killed a great many philosophers.
~ Denis Diderot

 

[Bruce Chambers]

your habit for trolling
has no limits.

Pointing out the often dangerously wrong information you try to foist
off on unsuspecting newbies isn't trolling. And, given your propensity
for deliberately handing out false info, it'd more properly be
considered "anti-trolling."


--

Bruce Chambers

Help us help you:


http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx/kb/555375

They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. ~Benjamin Franklin

Many people would rather die than think; in fact, most do. ~Bertrand Russell

The philosopher has never killed any priests, whereas the priest has
killed a great many philosophers.
~ Denis Diderot

 

[Unknown]

Where do you get all this misinformation?

well, the swap file can't
be bigger than 1.5 times
the size of your ram.

it is a direct correlation
to the amount of ram,
so anything over the max
size, the computer simply
won't use it.

in fact, it is a balancing
act because the more
ram you have the less
swap file the computer
needs.

the best thing is to simply
use the recommended max
size that windows tells you.

because an oversized swap
file will reduce performance.