FTP Server on Desktop?

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TC

Sorry to post to several newsgroups but wasn't sure which would be most
appropriate.

Does anyone have good advice on ftp server software which can be installed
and run from a Windows desktop?

Is there any reason this would be ill-advised?

Is the above overkill (i.e. is file transfer from an IM application secure)?

Thanks,

TC
 
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Shenan Stanley

TC said:
Sorry to post to several newsgroups but wasn't sure which would be
most appropriate.

Does anyone have good advice on ftp server software which can be
installed and run from a Windows desktop?

Is there any reason this would be ill-advised?

Is the above overkill (i.e. is file transfer from an IM application
secure)?

The first question - depends on your needs - there are many, freeware and
more costly. Google is good way to find what you are looking for (or the
search engine of your choice.) If you choose Google:

Search using Google!
http://www.google.com/
(How-to: http://www.google.com/intl/en/help/basics.html )


The second question - if you don't plan on using a secure FTP server - yes,
I would say it would be ill-advised. Plain vanilla FTP is natively
insecure. It sends the logon information in plain text (not to hard to
interecept.)


The last question - depends on the IM client(s) in question. Some do secure
(encrypted) file transfers, some do not. Again - this would take research
on your part and Google could help you out there - although so could simply
reading up on the IM clients of your choice either through their built-in
help systems or their creator's web pages/forums. ;-)


Your third question also begs that there is more to your entire set of
questions than you let on... I don't believe anyone could tell you if the
old-school FTP solution is "overkill" when they do not know the reasoning
for your need/set of questions. In other words - without knowing what you
are trying to accomplish, how can anyone give you the best method...?
 
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TC

Hey Shenan,

I simply want a secure way to transfer files from my desktop to someone
else.

While many applications may boast of security, I wrote newsgroups in the
hope that someone would know which solutions actually are or that someone
has actually done exactly what I want to do and came make sound
recommendations.

-- TC
 
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Shenan Stanley

TC said:
Sorry to post to several newsgroups but wasn't sure which would be
most appropriate.

Does anyone have good advice on ftp server software which can be
installed and run from a Windows desktop?

Is there any reason this would be ill-advised?

Is the above overkill (i.e. is file transfer from an IM application
secure)?

Shenan said:
The first question - depends on your needs - there are many,
freeware and more costly. Google is good way to find what you are
looking for (or the search engine of your choice.) If you choose
Google:
Search using Google!
http://www.google.com/
(How-to: http://www.google.com/intl/en/help/basics.html )


The second question - if you don't plan on using a secure FTP
server - yes, I would say it would be ill-advised. Plain vanilla
FTP is natively insecure. It sends the logon information in plain
text (not to hard to interecept.)


The last question - depends on the IM client(s) in question. Some
do secure (encrypted) file transfers, some do not. Again - this
would take research on your part and Google could help you out
there - although so could simply reading up on the IM clients of
your choice either through their built-in help systems or their
creator's web pages/forums. ;-)

Your third question also begs that there is more to your entire set
of questions than you let on... I don't believe anyone could tell
you if the old-school FTP solution is "overkill" when they do not
know the reasoning for your need/set of questions. In other words
- without knowing what you are trying to accomplish, how can anyone
give you the best method...?
I simply want a secure way to transfer files from my desktop to
someone else.

While many applications may boast of security, I wrote newsgroups
in the hope that someone would know which solutions actually are or
that someone has actually done exactly what I want to do and came
make sound recommendations.

The problem being - you did not state 'what you wanted to do' originally (or
yet for that matter - in any detail anyway.)

I transfer files all the time - through various methods for various reasons.
Some I transfer via various IM clients, some I host on various web pages
where they have to have a password to get to - or not, some I send via email
(sometimes compressed/password protected, sometimes encrypted, sometimes
just plain text with an attachment), I have (in the past) had FTP sites
where I put files for people to get and for people to put things on (secure
FTP and otherwise), sometimes I map the other computer directly (through a
file share, remote desktop connection, etc) and send/pull the file/folders
that way...

The situation dictates the best way to do it. In general - I find that
putting things on the web and then sending people a link to the page (with
them having an account with a password) to be the most efficient way. It
puts more control in the hands of the person I am sending the files to and
frees up more of my time since I only have to transfer said files to the
location once. It is a similar idea to FTP - but done correctly on a site
using SSL - much more secure and for many non-computer-literate people, much
simpler.

What I am transferring and to whom makes a huge difference in the 'best way'
to do things. A file that I want to stay private/secure? A picture I could
care less if everyone in the world saw? My grandparents versus my
computer-savvy friends? To many people or to a select few? Do I have
access to the resources i would need to use the 'best way'?

If you are just trying to send files between friends/family - and it is just
a few files - likely IM file transfer will be fine. If you are sending DoD
documents - likely it won't be. If you are remotely controlling a PC and
need to get files to it - the better remote software has encrypted ways to
do this. If you are sharing pictures - use something like Picasa. You can
send a decent sized email via GMail...

What is it, again, you are attempting to do?
 
B

Bo

Hey Shenan,

I simply want a secure way to transfer files from my desktop to someone
else.


Google "foldershare".

It will soon be replaced by an even better product.
 
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Sooner Al [MVP]

TC said:
Sorry to post to several newsgroups but wasn't sure which would be
most appropriate.

Does anyone have good advice on ftp server software which can be
installed and run from a Windows desktop?

Is there any reason this would be ill-advised?

Is the above overkill (i.e. is file transfer from an IM application
secure)?

Thanks,

TC

You could use Secure Shell [SSH]. Then use a free SSH SFTP client like
WinSCP or Tunnelier.

http://theillustratednetwork.mvps.org/Ssh/SecureShell.html

--

Al Jarvi (MS-MVP Windows - Desktop User Experience)

Please post *ALL* questions and replies to the news group for the
mutual benefit of all of us...
The MS-MVP Program - http://mvp.support.microsoft.com
This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no
rights...
How to ask a question
http://support.microsoft.com/KB/555375
 
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VanguardLH

TC said:
Shenan Stanley wrote ...

I simply want a secure way to transfer files from my desktop to someone
else.

And you were answered for how *you* asked to do that file transfer - by
using FTP. You got a response that matched your question.

So are you going to go through the process of getting a server
certificate so you can do secure file transfers to/from your own host?
If you don't have a server cert, you can't do secure connects using FTP
or a web server. Are you going to allow anonymous connections to your
FTP server by anyone that wants to poke around, or are you going to
manage a list of usersnames/passwords that are allowed to login?
While many applications may boast of security, I wrote newsgroups in the
hope that someone would know which solutions actually are ...

No, you wrote newsgroups asking about how to use FTP.
or that someone
has actually done exactly what I want to do and came make sound
recommendations.

Then that is what you should have asked. Other methods (of using online
storage), all free:

http://www.adrive.com/ (50GB max quota, 2GB max file size)
http://www.driveway.com/ (500MB max file size)
http://www.filefactory.com/ (300MB max file size)
http://www.megashares.com/index.php (10GB max file size)
http://www.rapidupload.com/ (300MB max file size)
http://www.sendspace.com/ (300MB max file size)
http://www.spread-it.com/ (500MB max file size)
http://www.transferbigfiles.com/ (1GB max file size)
http://zshare.net/ (500MB max file size)
http://www.zupload.com/ (500MB max file size)

Some just share a file. Some let you manage your files to determine
which ones you share and which you don't. To share, you get a URL to
give the other person. Some require establishing an account (free)
while some don't require any registration to use them. You'll have to
read their own web pages to see if they provide secure (SSL) file
transfers. However, that's irrelevant. Even if they do secure file
transfers because you don't want someone sniffing your traffic, are you
then going to trust a 3rd party with your sensitive data? No, so you
had better encrypt the file before you save it somewhere that you don't
control.

If you have a specific host that you want to allow to connect to yours,
look into remote control software that includes file transfer.
TeamViewer is free for personal use. LogMeIn Free does not include file
transfer but their paid version does. You never bothered to mention if
you are only looking at freebie solutions. Remote Desktop Protocol
(RDP) is included in Windows (or can be added with a download from
Microsoft) to run as a server on your own host (you'll have to punch out
port 3389 through your firewall or router) and you can configure the RDP
client to include drives from your local host to use on your remote
host. Since you probably have a dynamic IP address for your host (or
the WAN-side of your router), and if you don't want to figure out what
it is to connect to it, look at DynDNS or No-IP.org on how to get an IP
name for your host (also free). You'll run their client that reports to
their service for your account as to what is your current dynamic IP
address and they give you an IP name to associate with it. You don't
need DynDNS or No-IP with LogMeIn or TeamViewer and you usually don't
need to do any firewall or router configuration due to how they work
(but you might need to define an app rule for their client when prompted
by your firewall - if your firewall enforces outbound app rules).

Obviously remote access solutions are for when you want to let someone
else share your host (or when you need access to theirs to help them)
that includes file transfer. Otherwise, look at using online file
storage. I've listed some above. Another choice would be to use the
disk space for the personal web page space that your own ISP allocates
to your account with them, then just send a URL to the file in your web
page space to the other person.

You'll find a lot of options just by Googling for online disk storage
space, like:

http://www.google.com/search?q=+free++online++disk++storage
 
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VanguardLH

Bo said:
Google "foldershare".

It will soon be replaced by an even better product.

Windows Live Sync replacing FolderShare: What you need to know
http://www.foldershare.com/syncpro.htm

You'll need a Windows Login ID (i.e., get a Live Hotmail account).
Files can be up to 2GB max in size.
Requires installing client software on your computer AND their computer.

There are other 3rd party solutions that allow larger file sizes and
also do not require installing any software on your host (see my other
post). This file sharing scheme really sucks. It requires not only you
install their software to save your files on their server to share them
but the other person must also install the client software in order to
share those files. If you can con someone into installing software that
they don't want and only need to use to access your files, you've found
a gullible sucker that will also loan you everything they one and let
you keep it indefinitely.
 
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windows user

Hey Bo,

At the end of the day and after looking at numerous options, you are
correct, Foldershare is far and away the easiest to use and setup.

Thanks for the tip!
 
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Shenan Stanley

windows said:
At the end of the day and after looking at numerous options, you are
correct, Foldershare is far and away the easiest to use and setup.

Thanks for the tip!

Glad you got your answer.

Does look like an interesting product (although it was bought by MS in 2005
and seems to still be in Beta and now is changing names/design in December.)
I really like that it works on both Mac and PC... Nice.
 

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