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G

Guest

I am running 2 hard drives, the first one is 80 gb and contains the operating system and the other is 40gb, but I wish to install the operating system on the 40gb and keep the 80gb for video editing. How do I format the drive ?(as it is different to the previous systems of windows, which was quite simple)
 
J

Jay

Tona said:
I am running 2 hard drives, the first one is 80 gb and contains the
operating system and the other is 40gb, but I wish to install the operating
system on the 40gb and keep the 80gb for video editing. How do I format the
drive ?(as it is different to the previous systems of windows, which was
quite simple)

R/Click on the drive letter and choose format?

Jay
 
G

Guest

But you cannot just format the drive that you are using with the operating system running can you?
 
W

Will Denny

Hi

No, you can't format from within Windows if a drive is in use. You can
either boot with a Win ME/98 boot disk - if using FAT 32 - and format from
the A: drive. Or you can use the Windows XP CD to format and install.

--

Will Denny
MS-MVP Windows - Shell/User
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| But you cannot just format the drive that you are using with the operating
system running can you?
|
| "Jay" wrote:
|
| >
| > | > > I am running 2 hard drives, the first one is 80 gb and contains the
| > operating system and the other is 40gb, but I wish to install the
operating
| > system on the 40gb and keep the 80gb for video editing. How do I format
the
| > drive ?(as it is different to the previous systems of windows, which was
| > quite simple)
| >
| > R/Click on the drive letter and choose format?
| >
| > Jay
| >
| >
| >
 
G

Guest

Thanks Will. I formatted D drive without a problem(NTFS)from within C drive, now what is the best way to go about formatting the OS drive to reload windows xp onto D drive?
 
W

Will Denny

Hi

C = 80 GB?
D = 40 GB?

Is this NTFS as well? When you install the OS onto the other drive you
'may' come against Activation:

"Windows Product Activation (WPA) on Windows XP"
http://aumha.org/win5/a/wpa.htm

--

Will Denny
MS-MVP Windows - Shell/User
Please reply to the News Groups


| Thanks Will. I formatted D drive without a problem(NTFS)from within C
drive, now what is the best way to go about formatting the OS drive to
reload windows xp onto D drive?
|
| "Will Denny" wrote:
|
| > Hi
| >
| > No, you can't format from within Windows if a drive is in use. You can
| > either boot with a Win ME/98 boot disk - if using FAT 32 - and format
from
| > the A: drive. Or you can use the Windows XP CD to format and install.
| >
| > --
| >
| > Will Denny
| > MS-MVP Windows - Shell/User
| > Please reply to the News Groups
| >
| >
| > | > | But you cannot just format the drive that you are using with the
operating
| > system running can you?
| > |
| > | "Jay" wrote:
| > |
| > | >
| > | > | > | > > I am running 2 hard drives, the first one is 80 gb and contains
the
| > | > operating system and the other is 40gb, but I wish to install the
| > operating
| > | > system on the 40gb and keep the 80gb for video editing. How do I
format
| > the
| > | > drive ?(as it is different to the previous systems of windows, which
was
| > | > quite simple)
| > | >
| > | > R/Click on the drive letter and choose format?
| > | >
| > | > Jay
| > | >
| > | >
| > | >
| >
| >
 
G

Guest

Sorry,C=80Gb and D=40GB, Operating System is running on C at the moment but I want to run it in D and use C(80Gb) for video editing. Both are NTFS. How do I go about formatting C and reloading Operating System on D?
 
W

Will Denny

Hi

You can format the drive via the Recovery Console:

"Using Recovery Console Commands"
http://www.microsoft.com/resources/documentation/Windows/XP/all/reskit/en-us/prmb_tol_pzsk.asp

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Will Denny
MS-MVP Windows - Shell/User
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| Sorry,C=80Gb and D=40GB, Operating System is running on C at the moment
but I want to run it in D and use C(80Gb) for video editing. Both are NTFS.
How do I go about formatting C and reloading Operating System on D?
|
| "Will Denny" wrote:
|
| > Hi
| >
| > C = 80 GB?
| > D = 40 GB?
| >
| > Is this NTFS as well? When you install the OS onto the other drive you
| > 'may' come against Activation:
| >
| > "Windows Product Activation (WPA) on Windows XP"
| > http://aumha.org/win5/a/wpa.htm
| >
| > --
| >
| > Will Denny
| > MS-MVP Windows - Shell/User
| > Please reply to the News Groups
| >
| >
| > | > | Thanks Will. I formatted D drive without a problem(NTFS)from within C
| > drive, now what is the best way to go about formatting the OS drive to
| > reload windows xp onto D drive?
| > |
| > | "Will Denny" wrote:
| > |
| > | > Hi
| > | >
| > | > No, you can't format from within Windows if a drive is in use. You
can
| > | > either boot with a Win ME/98 boot disk - if using FAT 32 - and
format
| > from
| > | > the A: drive. Or you can use the Windows XP CD to format and
install.
| > | >
| > | > --
| > | >
| > | > Will Denny
| > | > MS-MVP Windows - Shell/User
| > | > Please reply to the News Groups
| > | >
| > | >
| > | > | > | > | But you cannot just format the drive that you are using with the
| > operating
| > | > system running can you?
| > | > |
| > | > | "Jay" wrote:
| > | > |
| > | > | >
| > | > | > | > | > | > > I am running 2 hard drives, the first one is 80 gb and
contains
| > the
| > | > | > operating system and the other is 40gb, but I wish to install
the
| > | > operating
| > | > | > system on the 40gb and keep the 80gb for video editing. How do I
| > format
| > | > the
| > | > | > drive ?(as it is different to the previous systems of windows,
which
| > was
| > | > | > quite simple)
| > | > | >
| > | > | > R/Click on the drive letter and choose format?
| > | > | >
| > | > | > Jay
| > | > | >
| > | > | >
| > | > | >
| > | >
| > | >
| >
| >
 
W

Will Denny

You'll have to go into the BIOS to make the D drive the first bootable -
your motherboard manual should you how to do that - and boot with the XP CD
in the CD drive. Follow the onscreen prompts.

--

Will Denny
MS-MVP Windows - Shell/User
Please reply to the News Groups


| Sorry,C=80Gb and D=40GB, Operating System is running on C at the moment
but I want to run it in D and use C(80Gb) for video editing. Both are NTFS.
How do I go about formatting C and reloading Operating System on D?
|
| "Will Denny" wrote:
|
| > Hi
| >
| > C = 80 GB?
| > D = 40 GB?
| >
| > Is this NTFS as well? When you install the OS onto the other drive you
| > 'may' come against Activation:
| >
| > "Windows Product Activation (WPA) on Windows XP"
| > http://aumha.org/win5/a/wpa.htm
| >
| > --
| >
| > Will Denny
| > MS-MVP Windows - Shell/User
| > Please reply to the News Groups
| >
| >
| > | > | Thanks Will. I formatted D drive without a problem(NTFS)from within C
| > drive, now what is the best way to go about formatting the OS drive to
| > reload windows xp onto D drive?
| > |
| > | "Will Denny" wrote:
| > |
| > | > Hi
| > | >
| > | > No, you can't format from within Windows if a drive is in use. You
can
| > | > either boot with a Win ME/98 boot disk - if using FAT 32 - and
format
| > from
| > | > the A: drive. Or you can use the Windows XP CD to format and
install.
| > | >
| > | > --
| > | >
| > | > Will Denny
| > | > MS-MVP Windows - Shell/User
| > | > Please reply to the News Groups
| > | >
| > | >
| > | > | > | > | But you cannot just format the drive that you are using with the
| > operating
| > | > system running can you?
| > | > |
| > | > | "Jay" wrote:
| > | > |
| > | > | >
| > | > | > | > | > | > > I am running 2 hard drives, the first one is 80 gb and
contains
| > the
| > | > | > operating system and the other is 40gb, but I wish to install
the
| > | > operating
| > | > | > system on the 40gb and keep the 80gb for video editing. How do I
| > format
| > | > the
| > | > | > drive ?(as it is different to the previous systems of windows,
which
| > was
| > | > | > quite simple)
| > | > | >
| > | > | > R/Click on the drive letter and choose format?
| > | > | >
| > | > | > Jay
| > | > | >
| > | > | >
| > | > | >
| > | >
| > | >
| >
| >
 
G

Guest

cheers, I know to do that, its just getting my head around the recovery console as once i start I cannot use this medium any more until the computer is up and running again so i want to know exactly what i am doing before I commit.
 
W

Will Denny

Hi

That is the problem with NTFS - you can't use a Win ME/98 boot floppy to
format with. Yes, you are going to have two disks with no OS on, if you
decide to format the C drive.

There may be one other way, but I'm not sure if it breaks the EULA. Install
XP onto the D drive before formatting the C drive.

--

Will Denny
MS-MVP Windows - Shell/User
Please reply to the News Groups


| cheers, I know to do that, its just getting my head around the recovery
console as once i start I cannot use this medium any more until the computer
is up and running again so i want to know exactly what i am doing before I
commit.
|
| "Will Denny" wrote:
|
| > You'll have to go into the BIOS to make the D drive the first bootable -
| > your motherboard manual should you how to do that - and boot with the XP
CD
| > in the CD drive. Follow the onscreen prompts.
| >
| > --
| >
| > Will Denny
| > MS-MVP Windows - Shell/User
| > Please reply to the News Groups
| >
| >
| > | > | Sorry,C=80Gb and D=40GB, Operating System is running on C at the
moment
| > but I want to run it in D and use C(80Gb) for video editing. Both are
NTFS.
| > How do I go about formatting C and reloading Operating System on D?
| > |
| > | "Will Denny" wrote:
| > |
| > | > Hi
| > | >
| > | > C = 80 GB?
| > | > D = 40 GB?
| > | >
| > | > Is this NTFS as well? When you install the OS onto the other drive
you
| > | > 'may' come against Activation:
| > | >
| > | > "Windows Product Activation (WPA) on Windows XP"
| > | > http://aumha.org/win5/a/wpa.htm
| > | >
| > | > --
| > | >
| > | > Will Denny
| > | > MS-MVP Windows - Shell/User
| > | > Please reply to the News Groups
| > | >
| > | >
| > | > | > | > | Thanks Will. I formatted D drive without a problem(NTFS)from
within C
| > | > drive, now what is the best way to go about formatting the OS drive
to
| > | > reload windows xp onto D drive?
| > | > |
| > | > | "Will Denny" wrote:
| > | > |
| > | > | > Hi
| > | > | >
| > | > | > No, you can't format from within Windows if a drive is in use.
You
| > can
| > | > | > either boot with a Win ME/98 boot disk - if using FAT 32 - and
| > format
| > | > from
| > | > | > the A: drive. Or you can use the Windows XP CD to format and
| > install.
| > | > | >
| > | > | > --
| > | > | >
| > | > | > Will Denny
| > | > | > MS-MVP Windows - Shell/User
| > | > | > Please reply to the News Groups
| > | > | >
| > | > | >
| > | > | > | > | > | > | But you cannot just format the drive that you are using with
the
| > | > operating
| > | > | > system running can you?
| > | > | > |
| > | > | > | "Jay" wrote:
| > | > | > |
| > | > | > | >
| > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > > I am running 2 hard drives, the first one is 80 gb and
| > contains
| > | > the
| > | > | > | > operating system and the other is 40gb, but I wish to
install
| > the
| > | > | > operating
| > | > | > | > system on the 40gb and keep the 80gb for video editing. How
do I
| > | > format
| > | > | > the
| > | > | > | > drive ?(as it is different to the previous systems of
windows,
| > which
| > | > was
| > | > | > | > quite simple)
| > | > | > | >
| > | > | > | > R/Click on the drive letter and choose format?
| > | > | > | >
| > | > | > | > Jay
| > | > | > | >
| > | > | > | >
| > | > | > | >
| > | > | >
| > | > | >
| > | >
| > | >
| >
| >
 
G

Guest

Yes I tried that and D drive did not recognise C drive and when i rebooted the computer it went straight to C drive (Excuse my ignorance.....What does EULA mean?)
 
W

Will Denny

EULA = End-User License Agreement. From Start>Run type or copy/paste the
following:

%systemroot%\system32\eula.txt

--

Will Denny
MS-MVP Windows - Shell/User
Please reply to the News Groups


| Yes I tried that and D drive did not recognise C drive and when i rebooted
the computer it went straight to C drive (Excuse my ignorance.....What does
EULA mean?)
|
| "Will Denny" wrote:
|
| > Hi
| >
| > That is the problem with NTFS - you can't use a Win ME/98 boot floppy to
| > format with. Yes, you are going to have two disks with no OS on, if you
| > decide to format the C drive.
| >
| > There may be one other way, but I'm not sure if it breaks the EULA.
Install
| > XP onto the D drive before formatting the C drive.
| >
| > --
| >
| > Will Denny
| > MS-MVP Windows - Shell/User
| > Please reply to the News Groups
| >
| >
| > | > | cheers, I know to do that, its just getting my head around the
recovery
| > console as once i start I cannot use this medium any more until the
computer
| > is up and running again so i want to know exactly what i am doing before
I
| > commit.
| > |
| > | "Will Denny" wrote:
| > |
| > | > You'll have to go into the BIOS to make the D drive the first
bootable -
| > | > your motherboard manual should you how to do that - and boot with
the XP
| > CD
| > | > in the CD drive. Follow the onscreen prompts.
| > | >
| > | > --
| > | >
| > | > Will Denny
| > | > MS-MVP Windows - Shell/User
| > | > Please reply to the News Groups
| > | >
| > | >
| > | > | > | > | Sorry,C=80Gb and D=40GB, Operating System is running on C at the
| > moment
| > | > but I want to run it in D and use C(80Gb) for video editing. Both
are
| > NTFS.
| > | > How do I go about formatting C and reloading Operating System on D?
| > | > |
| > | > | "Will Denny" wrote:
| > | > |
| > | > | > Hi
| > | > | >
| > | > | > C = 80 GB?
| > | > | > D = 40 GB?
| > | > | >
| > | > | > Is this NTFS as well? When you install the OS onto the other
drive
| > you
| > | > | > 'may' come against Activation:
| > | > | >
| > | > | > "Windows Product Activation (WPA) on Windows XP"
| > | > | > http://aumha.org/win5/a/wpa.htm
| > | > | >
| > | > | > --
| > | > | >
| > | > | > Will Denny
| > | > | > MS-MVP Windows - Shell/User
| > | > | > Please reply to the News Groups
| > | > | >
| > | > | >
| > | > | > | > | > | > | Thanks Will. I formatted D drive without a problem(NTFS)from
| > within C
| > | > | > drive, now what is the best way to go about formatting the OS
drive
| > to
| > | > | > reload windows xp onto D drive?
| > | > | > |
| > | > | > | "Will Denny" wrote:
| > | > | > |
| > | > | > | > Hi
| > | > | > | >
| > | > | > | > No, you can't format from within Windows if a drive is in
use.
| > You
| > | > can
| > | > | > | > either boot with a Win ME/98 boot disk - if using FAT 32 -
and
| > | > format
| > | > | > from
| > | > | > | > the A: drive. Or you can use the Windows XP CD to format
and
| > | > install.
| > | > | > | >
| > | > | > | > --
| > | > | > | >
| > | > | > | > Will Denny
| > | > | > | > MS-MVP Windows - Shell/User
| > | > | > | > Please reply to the News Groups
| > | > | > | >
| > | > | > | >
| > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | But you cannot just format the drive that you are using
with
| > the
| > | > | > operating
| > | > | > | > system running can you?
| > | > | > | > |
| > | > | > | > | "Jay" wrote:
| > | > | > | > |
| > | > | > | > | >
| > | > | > | > | >
| > | > | > | > | > > I am running 2 hard drives, the first one is 80 gb and
| > | > contains
| > | > | > the
| > | > | > | > | > operating system and the other is 40gb, but I wish to
| > install
| > | > the
| > | > | > | > operating
| > | > | > | > | > system on the 40gb and keep the 80gb for video editing.
How
| > do I
| > | > | > format
| > | > | > | > the
| > | > | > | > | > drive ?(as it is different to the previous systems of
| > windows,
| > | > which
| > | > | > was
| > | > | > | > | > quite simple)
| > | > | > | > | >
| > | > | > | > | > R/Click on the drive letter and choose format?
| > | > | > | > | >
| > | > | > | > | > Jay
| > | > | > | > | >
| > | > | > | > | >
| > | > | > | > | >
| > | > | > | >
| > | > | > | >
| > | > | >
| > | > | >
| > | >
| > | >
| >
| >
 
G

Guest

Thanks very much for your help Will All I can do now is bite the bullet and go for it .....your advice has been most adequate
 
W

Will Denny

Best of luck.

--

Will Denny
MS-MVP Windows - Shell/User
Please reply to the News Groups


| Thanks very much for your help Will All I can do now is bite the bullet
and go for it .....your advice has been most adequate
|
| "Will Denny" wrote:
|
| > EULA = End-User License Agreement. From Start>Run type or copy/paste
the
| > following:
| >
| > %systemroot%\system32\eula.txt
| >
| > --
| >
| > Will Denny
| > MS-MVP Windows - Shell/User
| > Please reply to the News Groups
| >
| >
| > | > | Yes I tried that and D drive did not recognise C drive and when i
rebooted
| > the computer it went straight to C drive (Excuse my ignorance.....What
does
| > EULA mean?)
| > |
| > | "Will Denny" wrote:
| > |
| > | > Hi
| > | >
| > | > That is the problem with NTFS - you can't use a Win ME/98 boot
floppy to
| > | > format with. Yes, you are going to have two disks with no OS on, if
you
| > | > decide to format the C drive.
| > | >
| > | > There may be one other way, but I'm not sure if it breaks the EULA.
| > Install
| > | > XP onto the D drive before formatting the C drive.
| > | >
| > | > --
| > | >
| > | > Will Denny
| > | > MS-MVP Windows - Shell/User
| > | > Please reply to the News Groups
| > | >
| > | >
| > | > | > | > | cheers, I know to do that, its just getting my head around the
| > recovery
| > | > console as once i start I cannot use this medium any more until the
| > computer
| > | > is up and running again so i want to know exactly what i am doing
before
| > I
| > | > commit.
| > | > |
| > | > | "Will Denny" wrote:
| > | > |
| > | > | > You'll have to go into the BIOS to make the D drive the first
| > bootable -
| > | > | > your motherboard manual should you how to do that - and boot
with
| > the XP
| > | > CD
| > | > | > in the CD drive. Follow the onscreen prompts.
| > | > | >
| > | > | > --
| > | > | >
| > | > | > Will Denny
| > | > | > MS-MVP Windows - Shell/User
| > | > | > Please reply to the News Groups
| > | > | >
| > | > | >
| > | > | > | > | > | > | Sorry,C=80Gb and D=40GB, Operating System is running on C at
the
| > | > moment
| > | > | > but I want to run it in D and use C(80Gb) for video editing.
Both
| > are
| > | > NTFS.
| > | > | > How do I go about formatting C and reloading Operating System on
D?
| > | > | > |
| > | > | > | "Will Denny" wrote:
| > | > | > |
| > | > | > | > Hi
| > | > | > | >
| > | > | > | > C = 80 GB?
| > | > | > | > D = 40 GB?
| > | > | > | >
| > | > | > | > Is this NTFS as well? When you install the OS onto the
other
| > drive
| > | > you
| > | > | > | > 'may' come against Activation:
| > | > | > | >
| > | > | > | > "Windows Product Activation (WPA) on Windows XP"
| > | > | > | > http://aumha.org/win5/a/wpa.htm
| > | > | > | >
| > | > | > | > --
| > | > | > | >
| > | > | > | > Will Denny
| > | > | > | > MS-MVP Windows - Shell/User
| > | > | > | > Please reply to the News Groups
| > | > | > | >
| > | > | > | >
| > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | Thanks Will. I formatted D drive without a
problem(NTFS)from
| > | > within C
| > | > | > | > drive, now what is the best way to go about formatting the
OS
| > drive
| > | > to
| > | > | > | > reload windows xp onto D drive?
| > | > | > | > |
| > | > | > | > | "Will Denny" wrote:
| > | > | > | > |
| > | > | > | > | > Hi
| > | > | > | > | >
| > | > | > | > | > No, you can't format from within Windows if a drive is
in
| > use.
| > | > You
| > | > | > can
| > | > | > | > | > either boot with a Win ME/98 boot disk - if using FAT
32 -
| > and
| > | > | > format
| > | > | > | > from
| > | > | > | > | > the A: drive. Or you can use the Windows XP CD to
format
| > and
| > | > | > install.
| > | > | > | > | >
| > | > | > | > | > --
| > | > | > | > | >
| > | > | > | > | > Will Denny
| > | > | > | > | > MS-MVP Windows - Shell/User
| > | > | > | > | > Please reply to the News Groups
| > | > | > | > | >
| > | > | > | > | >
| > | > | > | > | >
| > | > | > | > | > | But you cannot just format the drive that you are
using
| > with
| > | > the
| > | > | > | > operating
| > | > | > | > | > system running can you?
| > | > | > | > | > |
| > | > | > | > | > | "Jay" wrote:
| > | > | > | > | > |
| > | > | > | > | > | >
message
| > | > | > | > | > | >
| > | > | > | > | > | > | > > I am running 2 hard drives, the first one is 80 gb
and
| > | > | > contains
| > | > | > | > the
| > | > | > | > | > | > operating system and the other is 40gb, but I wish
to
| > | > install
| > | > | > the
| > | > | > | > | > operating
| > | > | > | > | > | > system on the 40gb and keep the 80gb for video
editing.
| > How
| > | > do I
| > | > | > | > format
| > | > | > | > | > the
| > | > | > | > | > | > drive ?(as it is different to the previous systems
of
| > | > windows,
| > | > | > which
| > | > | > | > was
| > | > | > | > | > | > quite simple)
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| > | > | > | > | > | > R/Click on the drive letter and choose format?
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A

Alex Nichol

Tona said:
I am running 2 hard drives, the first one is 80 gb and contains the operating system and the other is 40gb, but I wish to install the operating system on the 40gb and keep the 80gb for video editing. How do I format the drive ?(as it is different to the previous systems of windows, which was quite simple)

You need to connect the 40 GB drive as the master one that the system
boots from. Then either start from scratch and boot the XP CD, going
ahead with Install, New Install, where you can select that drive make a
partition and install the system on it, or perhaps (if the 80 is not too
full) make a clone copy of it, to retain everything that is on it. What
I use is BootIT NG, from http://www.BootitNG.com ($35 shareware - 30 day
full functional trial)

Download, to its own folder, extract from the zip, run the bootitng to
make a boot floppy.

With the new drive plugged in as slave/secondary, boot the floppy,
Cancel Install, entering maintenance, then click on Partition work.
You will be seeing the current master drive - the 80 - as HD0.
Highlight your C: in the middle, and use Resize to resize it down so it
will fit on the other one. Select the other drive, HD1, highlight the
partition there and click Delete.

Go back to HD0, highlight the C: and click Copy, then on left select
the HD1, highlight the Free Space in it, and Paste.

Now click on 'View MBR' and in it highlight the entry for this new copy
and click the 'Set Active' Click 'Write Standard MBR' and Apply.

Close out, swap the disks to make the 40 GB the one that boots, and
reboot into XP.

Once there and satisfied all is working, you can go to Control Panel -
Admin Tools - Computer Management, select Disk Management and look lower
right for the graphic of the drives. Select the partition on the old
drive (which will also show Unallocated space) r-click it and delete,
then r-click the Unallocated pace and Create one to use all the disk
again
 
G

Guest

Can't I just load windows xp onto the 40 gb HD, change master and slave jumpers, reboot and format the 80 gb HD from within windows? Or will I have an activation problem?
 
M

Michael Stevens

Will said:
Best of luck.



and go for it .....your advice has been most adequate

Some more info on the options to format a hard drive with XP installed.
Click on the link below, or copy and paste the link into the address box
if using the web based newsgroup.
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http://michaelstevenstech.com/format_XP.htm

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A

Alex Nichol

Tona said:
Can't I just load windows xp onto the 40 gb HD, change master and slave jumpers, reboot and format the 80 gb HD from within windows? Or will I have an activation problem?

If you *want* a clean install, go ahead. But switch the drives over
*first* so that the 40 GB one you want to install on is the Primary
master. And I would have the other one disconnected while you install,
just so as not to get things confused.

Then boot to the XP CD and carry on with a new install. You will have
to activate it, but as long as you have not made many other changes, or
if it is over 120 days since you last did, it will go through on the net
like first time. Even if this *has* put things over the top, phoning
in to do it is not really a major hassle
 

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