Follow Up ::::::: Recommended Cooler for AMD Athlon XP 3000+ :::::::

[Shogun]

A view posts ago i asked this:

.... i am gonna buy me a Chieftec BX where i want to build in my Asus A7N8X
Deluxe and AMD Athlon XP 3000+ etc. I have decide to change the cooler too.
But what cooler do you recommend me to use for my 3000+?

I read all the reply's and did a search on several testing platforms for
reviews.
I've noticed that the Cooler Master Aero 7+ seems to be a good choice,
however the installation is a crime when placing it on an ASUS A7N8X Deluxe
mainboard, the one i have. This is because of to little space to get the
cooler placed. Solution is to remove the mainboard and then place the Aero
7+ ......

http://www.ocia.net/reviews/aero/aero.shtml

But still i am considering if the Aero 7+ would be the best choice. Doesn't
it give me problems in the Chieftec BX? Are there other (better) choices? It
i svery hard to find comparisations between all those CPU coolers. Yes there
are some, but all out of date :-(

If the AERO 7+ should be the best choice for me, then i hope to hear it from
you, if not, thus you have better options, tell it me please. Tips & Tricks
are welcome.

TIA

 

[KB]

Regardless of what"cooler"(HSF)you get it is always best to remove the board
from the case as there is no support (the board will flex) and could cause
damage.
There is no way I would ever take off/replace a HSF with the board still in
the case.
The Aero 7+ will work but don't forget at high speed there will be noise.
That is why I changed to a Thermaltake Silent Boost.(2600 rpm all the time,
23db noise).
Can't hear it at all.

 

[KB]

As you are building into a new case you have to take the board out of your
present case anyway.

 

[Shogun]

Thanx again KB for your reply ...

You recommended me the Thermaltake Silent Boost. Your choice was made by the
lower noise of the TSB. Is the difference between these coolers minimal? And
which one keeps the 3000+ the coolest? (This is more important for me then a
little difference in noise)

The Aero 7+ has a Fan Speed of 1900~3500 rpm, this is much higher then the
Thermaltake Silent Boost (2400 rpm), so should the Aero 7+ be significant
cooler or is this not said? Again, if only the noise is the reducing factor
and the difference is minimal between the Aero 7+ and the TSB, then it's
only a choice of noise, right?

Another question about the TSB: which one did you mean?
I did a search on their site:

http://www.thermaltake.com/coolers/volcano/rs/a1889.htm

Here you can see that there are two different types, the A1889-01 and the
A1889
The first with Ball Bearing Fan and the other with Hydro Wave Bearing Fan.

.. Which as matter it Thermaltake concerns should the best for me?
.. Do these coolers fit on my A7N8X Deluxe? (Rev. 1.02)

Another topic, but maybe you know ... I'll buy me the Chieftec BX, but i saw
that the power supply is 360W PSU (HPC-360-202 / P4,PFC) w i t h o u t
fans, so i think it's better to replace it with a bigger one (420/450W) w
i t h fans. This can be done without problems, what dimensions concerns?

I am sorry to bother you with all these questions, but i hope you don't mind
....



If someone has more advices of recommended coolers for my AMD AThlon XP
3000+ on a ASUS A7N8X Deluxe (rev. 1.02) mainboard, please post it here ...

 

[KB]

The Silent Boost with Ball bearing or Hydro bearing, both the same results,
either will do but for you the Aero 7+ would be better.
The TSB I have is the BB one.
Yes, they will fit as I have the same board only R2.
If I had a choice of cooling over noise then I would get a Volcano 11 or the
Aero 7 +.
Less noise and less vibration for me is better so as long as my CPU temp is
around 56c max then I don't mind.
I have found that with my case(Antec SLK3700-BQE(so called silent) )the
airflow in is not enough and adding a 120mm low speed fan does not improve
it or adding a 120mm high speed front fan only turns it into a noisy case.
I wish that I had just got a regular or other case with better airflow in
and added faster fans.
As far as I know that PSU has a fan(s) .
I only have the 350 W psu that came with the case.
Volts/current is more important I would say.
A lot of 420/450W PSU's put out less than some 350w ones.
The more current a psu can put out when needed, the better.
(amps)
No problem, anytime.

 

[KB]

Antec cases are made by the same company who make Chieftec ones.
Antec and Chieftec to not have their own factory to make them.
A lot of Chieftec and Antec case parts can be used on either.
A lot of Antec brand cases are exactly the same as some of the
Chieftec(branded) ones.

 

[KB]

From what I see on the Chieftec site, the cases(BX)do not come with a PSU.
Depending on if you are getting yours from a dealer who sells them
unopened,no PSU added or PSU at further cost (Unfitted/fitted) You have a
choice.

 

[Shogun]

The Silent Boost with Ball bearing or Hydro bearing, both the same results,
either will do but for you the Aero 7+ would be better.
The TSB I have is the BB one.
Yes, they will fit as I have the same board only R2.
If I had a choice of cooling over noise then I would get a Volcano 11 or the
Aero 7 +.
Less noise and less vibration for me is better so as long as my CPU temp is
around 56c max then I don't mind.
I have found that with my case(Antec SLK3700-BQE(so called silent) )the
airflow in is not enough and adding a 120mm low speed fan does not improve
it or adding a 120mm high speed front fan only turns it into a noisy case.
I wish that I had just got a regular or other case with better airflow in
and added faster fans.
As far as I know that PSU has a fan(s) .

<snip>

IThat's why i want to buy me the Chieftec, because i have the same or maybe
even bigger problems with not enough airflow with my A-Open case, which has
rediculous minimal airflow capacities. The Chieftec BX seems to be very good
with that

 

[KB]

From what I see about where the HD cage is and where the front fan is(if you
fit it), it seems to be the same as mine.
Drive cage in the way of airflow into the case, drives mounted crosswise.
I have been looking at the other Chieftec cases that have the HD cage above
the front fan and that being so, should let more air in.

 

[Shogun]

From what I see about where the HD cage is and where the front fan is(if you
fit it), it seems to be the same as mine.
Drive cage in the way of airflow into the case, drives mounted crosswise.
I have been looking at the other Chieftec cases that have the HD cage above
the front fan and that being so, should let more air in.

So you suggest to look for the one which have HD cage above the front fan ?
But the BX has the capacity of 6 fans (optional) so that should be enough to
cool everything isn't it?

 

[KB]

Yep.

So you suggest to look for the one which have HD cage above the front fan ?
But the BX has the capacity of 6 fans (optional) so that should be enough to
cool everything isn't it?





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[Ulf Stahl]

Shogun,
I noticed in your earlier thread on this subject that you think the Zalman
7000 won't fit
because of size/free space considerations.
I had no problem whatsoever fitting it onto my A7N8 Deluxe with a Barton XP
3000+
overclocked to 2355.33 MHz.

I have it running at full speed but cannot hear its big fan because of the 5
fans (silent Pabst)
on my Enermax case (1 in front, 1 on the side, 1 on top, 2 behind), 2 in the
Antec 480W power
unit plus the optional fan on the Zalman video Heatpipe cooler ZM80C at full
speed on my
Radeon 9800 Pro 125.

I remember that when exchanging the XP 3000+ stock cooler for the Zalman
7000 the latter
made much less noise, the pitch being much lower, which is understandable
due to
Zalman's fan spinning at 2362 rpm acc. to Motherboard Monitor 5.

Other values acc. to MM5:
Socket: 42 low, 44 high (same as ASUS Probe CPU value)
Diode: 52 low, 60 high (ASUS Probe does not show this actual CPU temp)
Case: 23 low, 26 high

What I'm trying to say: don't write the Zalman 7000 off because of size
considerations,
and it is really silent despite max speed.
I am so pleased with my outfit I might mail you picture of the interior in
case you're
interested.

Uffe

 

[KB]

Any fan that runs at around 2300rpm will be quiet and will be masked by any
other fans.
I have never had a fan that runs at around 2300rpm that is noisy.
Any fan that is directly above(on top) of the HS is better than one on a
bracket some distance above.

 

[KB]

"the range between 1350 ("quiet") and 2400 rpm ("standard" mode). And the
noise level is extremely low: 20dBa in the "quiet" and 25dBa in the
"standard" mode."

To get good cooling you would have to run that at around 3000Rpm ant that
gets noisy.
At 1350Rpm the cooling is not that good.
My HAC-81 ran from 1200-6000rpm and at anything less than 2000rpm the cpu
was more than warm.
Of course if you stuff a case full of fans all fighting against each other
rpm wise then you will not hear it.
If you have a front fan at higher rpm and a rear one at a different speed
then you get more air in and the rear one has to deal with it.
2 2500-3000rpm fans,1 in front, 1 in back are better.
My Silent Boost runs at around 2600 rpm top(no speed control) and is only
23db.
It cools my XP2800 good enough.
Don't forget warm air from the room = warm air in the case added to the
warm air there already = hotter cpu regardless of what cpu fan.
If I turn up the heat my cpu temp rises, if I turn it down then my cpu temp
drops.
In summer in this room I would need a cpu fan of 4000 rpm all the time to
cool my cpu down.
Winter room temps are 76-80F
Cpu temps are then around 48-52c with a cpu fan of 2600rpm.
A front fan of 1500rpm(for less noise) does not make any difference and a
faster one of 4000rpm will but with too much noise.

 

[Bazis]

Make yourself happy and install a Zalman CNPS7000A-Cu cpu cooler

Bazis

 

[Shogun]

Shogun,
I noticed in your earlier thread on this subject that you think the Zalman
7000 won't fit
because of size/free space considerations.
I had no problem whatsoever fitting it onto my A7N8 Deluxe with a Barton XP
3000+
overclocked to 2355.33 MHz.

I have it running at full speed but cannot hear its big fan because of the 5
fans (silent Pabst)
on my Enermax case (1 in front, 1 on the side, 1 on top, 2 behind), 2 in the
Antec 480W power
unit plus the optional fan on the Zalman video Heatpipe cooler ZM80C at full
speed on my
Radeon 9800 Pro 125.

I remember that when exchanging the XP 3000+ stock cooler for the Zalman
7000 the latter
made much less noise, the pitch being much lower, which is understandable
due to
Zalman's fan spinning at 2362 rpm acc. to Motherboard Monitor 5.

Other values acc. to MM5:
Socket: 42 low, 44 high (same as ASUS Probe CPU value)
Diode: 52 low, 60 high (ASUS Probe does not show this actual CPU temp)
Case: 23 low, 26 high

What I'm trying to say: don't write the Zalman 7000 off because of size
considerations,
and it is really silent despite max speed.
I am so pleased with my outfit I might mail you picture of the interior in
case you're
interested.

Uffe

I have now the Zalman 6000 and that is not good enough to keep my XP 3000+
cool. Maybe i get it wrong, but i don't feel comfortable with the Zalman. It
has nothing to do with the weight, it is only because i have no good
feelings about the Zalman 7000.

As i read on various testforums, the Thermalright SP97 is far the best
cooler at the moment. It is compatible with my mainboard A7N8X Deluxe, it is
expensive, i know, but because i don't want troubles again with cooling, it
has to be then .... But on the other hand the Aero 7+ is an alternative, so
i doubt what to do ...

Further, the SP97 has no fan in package, so i have to look for a silent fan
which can do the job of good cooling and not ot make to much noise. I saw on
a website this 90 x 90 mm Fan from ENERMAX: UC-9FAB-B (Double Ball
Bearing, 1000 ~2500 rpm) View: http://www.enermax.com.tw/product.htm

It is very confusing all those coolers, it cost me almost a lifetime to
understand the goods and bads of them :-(

It's a pity i can't find a testing of my wanteds i.c.m. what i have:

thus Chieftec BX + Asus A7N8X Deluxe rev.1.02 + Athlon XP 3000+

That's why i asked all those questions here, probably making all of you sick
of me ;-)


<snip>

 

[Ulf Stahl]

Speaking of fans:
Inbound: front 1x90mm abt 2000rpm, side (opposite mobo) 1x60mm abt 2000rpm
Outbound: rear 2x60mm abt 1600rpm each, case roof 1x60mm abt 1600rpm
I also have one card slot cover open below the video card for additional
airflow balance.

All above fans are quiet, 20 - 25 dbA by spec, and together with Zalman
CNPS7000A-Cu,
the PSU and the graphic card fans I only have a gentle low hum, which I
forget about after 5 minutes.
"Noise" level perfectly OK for movies, music etc, allthough such things are
subjective, of course.

Unfortunately I don't have the tools to measure the dBa, so I can't state
any absolute value.

All in all I'm very happy with the mobo, overall airflow and cooling of my
rig, the temp inside the
case never being more than 3 centigrades above room temp (23 centigrades).
In the summer my room temp may go up 2-3 centigrades, but I think my system
will cope.
Maybe I'll bypass the CPU HSF speed control, as I read somewhere that the
HSF wound then gain
a some 100 rpm or so.

I think it is better to have more low-rpm fans in a well designed case than
fewer fans with
one high spinning "siren" spoiling the peace. Its better for the cooling as
well as your ears.

Uffe

 

[Kyle Brant]

Providing support to the underside of the mobo during HSF
installation/removal is quite easy, use a plastic pen housing such as
a Bic brand ink pen and insert it under the mobo (or any other
non-conductive support may be used, plastic is perfect to use just in
case you forget and leave it beneath the board when you power up). No
doubt there are other items that can be used, but since cheap pens are
usually handy, this is my preferred approach.

--
Best regards,
Kyle
| Regardless of what"cooler"(HSF)you get it is always best to remove
the board
| from the case as there is no support (the board will flex) and could
cause
| damage.
| There is no way I would ever take off/replace a HSF with the board
still in
| the case.
| The Aero 7+ will work but don't forget at high speed there will be
noise.
| That is why I changed to a Thermaltake Silent Boost.(2600 rpm all
the time,
| 23db noise).
| Can't hear it at all.
|

 

[Kyle Brant]

Other Aero7 reviews:

http://www.thetechlounge.com/review.php?directory=aero_7&page=3

http://www.overclockersclub.com/reviews/coolermasteraero7lite.php

http://www.tweakers.com.au/articles/cooling/cm_aero7/page1.asp

http://www.pcabusers.com/reviews/coolermaster/aero7/p1.html

http://www.radiativenz.com/reviews/coolermasteraero7/index.shtml

http://www.amdmb.com/article-display.php?ArticleID=239

I'm not pushing this HSF as I'm sure there are others with less noise
if in fact low noise is your ultimate goal. Yet, I may choose this
HSF the next time I order some goods.

--
Best regards,
Kyle
| Providing support to the underside of the mobo during HSF
| installation/removal is quite easy, use a plastic pen housing such
as
| a Bic brand ink pen and insert it under the mobo (or any other
| non-conductive support may be used, plastic is perfect to use just
in
| case you forget and leave it beneath the board when you power up).
No
| doubt there are other items that can be used, but since cheap pens
are
| usually handy, this is my preferred approach.
|
| --
| Best regards,
| Kyle
| | | Regardless of what"cooler"(HSF)you get it is always best to remove
| the board
| | from the case as there is no support (the board will flex) and
could
| cause
| | damage.
| | There is no way I would ever take off/replace a HSF with the board
| still in
| | the case.
| | The Aero 7+ will work but don't forget at high speed there will
be
| noise.
| | That is why I changed to a Thermaltake Silent Boost.(2600 rpm all
| the time,
| | 23db noise).
| | Can't hear it at all.
| |
|