First Look: OpenOffice.org 2.0 Looks Good

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Ablang

First Look: OpenOffice.org 2.0 Looks Good

Beta of free office suite adds a database app and tweaks existing
tools.

Edward N. Albro, PC World
Wednesday, March 23, 2005

If you're thrifty and you use an office suite, it's hard not to like
OpenOffice.org, the open-source set of office productivity tools.
Version 1.0, which first appeared in 2002, does most things Microsoft
Office can do (including smoothly trade files with users of Word,
Excel, or PowerPoint). Plus it's free. So what's to improve in version
2.0?

OpenOffice.org 2.0, still in beta during my tests, adds a database
creation application similar to Microsoft Access. But beyond that,
many of the changes are small improvements that are nice to have, but
probably won't radically change how you work. And in that way,
OpenOffice.org is similar to Microsoft Office, which hasn't made a
change that's really significant to most users in years.

In addition to Base, the database app, OpenOffice.org 2.0 includes a
word processor, a spreadsheet application, a presentation program, an
app for creating mathematical formulas, and a nifty drawing program
much more powerful and fun than Microsoft's Paint. The beta version is
available for Windows, Linux, and Mac machines. I tested the Windows
version; for PC World's take on the Linux version, check out Matthew
Newton's Free Agent column.

Too Much Like Access?

OpenOffice.org's developers seem to have tried to make Base look and
act as much like Access as possible. That's been the group's MO from
the beginning, and it makes sense--the easiest way to convert millions
of Office users to the open-source alternative is to make the
transition as simple as possible.

The problem with making an app that's just like Access, though, is
that Access completely mystifies many who attempt to use it. And many
of those users who do master it don't like it much. It might have been
a better plan to create a database app more like FileMaker Pro; that
is, one that's not at all like Access but much easier to use.

Tweaks and Additions

Now for the tweaks: Writer now has an easier-to-find word count tool
that will tell you simultaneously the number of words in the whole
document and the number in a specific selection of the document.
(Word, by contrast, won't give you both totals at once.)

Calc, the spreadsheet application, now supports just as many rows of
data as Excel, which eliminates one problem major number-crunchers had
with the previous version. And if, heaven forbid, you're a fan of
transitions and sounds in between the slides of your presentation,
Impress now has buckets of them.

While version 2.0 certainly includes features worth having, it might
be prudent to stick with version 1.0 until beta testing is over. If
you do try the beta, be warned--the version I tested really is a beta.
I experienced a number of crashes, especially in Base, and the file
recovery system had some glitches.

But once the OpenOffice.org developers release a final edition of
version 2.0 (there's no firm schedule), it should prompt lots of
people to ask themselves why they pay $300 or more for Microsoft
Office with such a good, free alternative available.

http://www.pcworld.com/reviews/article/0,aid,120154,00.asp


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"In a world where more than 10 million americans live with cancer -- we believe unity is strength, knowledge is power, and attitude is everything!"
-- Livestrong, by Lance Armstrong
 
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Nunya Bizniss

First Look: OpenOffice.org 2.0 Looks Good
Beta of free office suite adds a database app and tweaks existing tools.

Edward N. Albro, PC World
Wednesday, March 23, 2005

Er, that was 5 months ago - hardly news?
 
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Simone Murdock

First Look: OpenOffice.org 2.0 Looks Good

To be a winner software, it's very important the compatibility with
Microsoft' products (mainly Writer/Word):

- OpenOffice.org now supports CustomShapes, which are very similar to
Microsoft's AutoShapes. As a consequence, AutoShapes are imported and
displayed correctly

- In addition, the extended support for effects improves compatibility
with Microsoft PowerPoint

- With OpenOffice.org 2.0 it is now possible to create tables within
tables (nested tables). This increases overall usability, and also
improves compatibility with Microsoft Word.


- OpenOffice.org 1.1 supported only 32,768 rows in spreadsheet
documents, which caused Microsoft Excel interoperability issues. The new
version now takes OpenOffice.org to the same level as Microsoft Excel

See also
http://marketing.openoffice.org/2.0/featureguide.html#interoperability

Simon
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Michael Salem

Openoffice.org 2 public beta has been around for a while, with updates
about every month (just the latest release, not because of any specific
problems).

In particular exporting of files as PDFs has improved since version 1.
Compatibility with MS Office files generally seems to be improving. Too
is quite useful even if used as nothing more than a PDF output
procressor for MSO (Drop word documents on an soffice.exe icon). I also
think that the XML standard used as one method for storing files is
coping better with Microsoft's proprietary take on this "standard".

Saving of files in text format by all Openoffice applications (and by
Internet Explorer, as against Firefox) seems inferior to Microsoft's
algorithms (The results always appear messier, or require more work to
make them usable).

These are my personal impressions on a few details of Too v2 for Windows
vs MSO.

Best wishes,
 
M

Mel

First Look: OpenOffice.org 2.0 Looks Good
Beta of free office suite adds a database app and tweaks existing tools.

Edward N. Albro, PC World
Wednesday, March 23, 2005

Er, that was 5 months ago - hardly news?
LOL! :)
 
B

Bob Adkins

- In addition, the extended support for effects improves compatibility
with Microsoft PowerPoint

That's my biggest complaint about OOo. I wish it had better PPT support, and
a built in PPT viewer. You still must download the (Free) PPT viewer from
Microsoft to view PPT presentations.
 
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Lennart

Op Sat, 27 Aug 2005 23:37:33 -0700 schreef Ablang:
First Look: OpenOffice.org 2.0 Looks Good


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"In a world where more than 10 million americans live with cancer -- we believe unity is strength, knowledge is power, and attitude is everything!"
-- Livestrong, by Lance Armstrong

Does ver 2 has a "reveal code" option? For me, as a WordPerfect user, an
option i really want to have...
 
D

David

That's my biggest complaint about OOo. I wish it had better PPT support, and
a built in PPT viewer. You still must download the (Free) PPT viewer from
Microsoft to view PPT presentations.

I've yet to find a Power Point file that OOo cannot display.
 
J

Jeff Needle

First Look: OpenOffice.org 2.0 Looks Good
Beta of free office suite adds a database app and tweaks existing
tools.

Edward N. Albro, PC World
Wednesday, March 23, 2005

Now for the tweaks: Writer now has an easier-to-find word count tool
that will tell you simultaneously the number of words in the whole
document and the number in a specific selection of the document.
(Word, by contrast, won't give you both totals at once.)


So, have they made envelope creation any easier? This has always been a
bug with me about OO.
 
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miskairal

When will it get a full release that is not Beta though. I'm trying to
convert people over to Oo but I can hardly do that when it's a beta
version. Does anyone know when this might occur?
 
B

Bob Adkins

I've yet to find a Power Point file that OOo cannot display.

OOo has no PPT viewer that I know of. Please try clicking on a PPT file and
tell me what happens.
 
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David

OOo has no PPT viewer that I know of. Please try clicking on a PPT file and
tell me what happens.

As I said I have yet to find a PowerPoint file that OOo can NOT
display. That was some time ago though when the version number was
around 0.9 or something similar. Things may have changed for the worse
since although I doubt it.
 
P

prizm1

Ablang said:
First Look: OpenOffice.org 2.0 Looks Good

Beta of free office suite adds a database app and tweaks existing
tools.

Edward N. Albro, PC World Wednesday, March 23, 2005

If you're thrifty and you use an office suite, it's hard not to like
OpenOffice.org, the open-source set of office productivity tools.
Version 1.0, which first appeared in 2002, does most things Microsoft
Office can do (including smoothly trade files with users of Word,
Excel, or PowerPoint). Plus it's free. So what's to improve in
version 2.0?

OpenOffice.org 2.0, still in beta during my tests, adds a database
creation application similar to Microsoft Access. But beyond that,
many of the changes are small improvements that are nice to have, but
probably won't radically change how you work. And in that way,
OpenOffice.org is similar to Microsoft Office, which hasn't made a
change that's really significant to most users in years.

In addition to Base, the database app, OpenOffice.org 2.0 includes a
word processor, a spreadsheet application, a presentation program, an
app for creating mathematical formulas, and a nifty drawing program
much more powerful and fun than Microsoft's Paint. The beta version
is available for Windows, Linux, and Mac machines. I tested the
Windows version; for PC World's take on the Linux version, check out
Matthew Newton's Free Agent column.

Too Much Like Access?

OpenOffice.org's developers seem to have tried to make Base look and
act as much like Access as possible. That's been the group's MO from
the beginning, and it makes sense--the easiest way to convert
millions of Office users to the open-source alternative is to make
the transition as simple as possible.

The problem with making an app that's just like Access, though, is
that Access completely mystifies many who attempt to use it. And many
of those users who do master it don't like it much. It might have
been a better plan to create a database app more like FileMaker Pro;
that is, one that's not at all like Access but much easier to use.

Tweaks and Additions

Now for the tweaks: Writer now has an easier-to-find word count tool
that will tell you simultaneously the number of words in the whole
document and the number in a specific selection of the document.
(Word, by contrast, won't give you both totals at once.)

Calc, the spreadsheet application, now supports just as many rows of
data as Excel, which eliminates one problem major number-crunchers
had with the previous version. And if, heaven forbid, you're a fan of
transitions and sounds in between the slides of your presentation,
Impress now has buckets of them.

While version 2.0 certainly includes features worth having, it might
be prudent to stick with version 1.0 until beta testing is over. If
you do try the beta, be warned--the version I tested really is a
beta. I experienced a number of crashes, especially in Base, and the
file recovery system had some glitches.

But once the OpenOffice.org developers release a final edition of
version 2.0 (there's no firm schedule), it should prompt lots of
people to ask themselves why they pay $300 or more for Microsoft
Office with such a good, free alternative available.

http://www.pcworld.com/reviews/article/0,aid,120154,00.asp


=== "In a world where more than 10 million americans live with cancer
-- we believe unity is strength, knowledge is power, and attitude is
everything!" -- Livestrong, by Lance Armstrong

It is a versatile Microsoft Suite clone, but I think that the greatest
shortcoming of OpenOffice is its incompatibility with Microsoft's VBA
component. MS Office macros will simply not run in OpenOffice and for
most of us that incorporate VBA in our workbooks, OpenOffice fails
miserably.
 
R

Richard Steinfeld

Lennart said:
Op Sat, 27 Aug 2005 23:37:33 -0700 schreef Ablang:




Does ver 2 has a "reveal code" option? For me, as a WordPerfect user, an
option i really want to have...

It's been some time since I've examined the file structures of
WordPerfect and MS Word. They are very different from each other. This
is a chicken-egg thing: as I recall them, Word Perfect embeds control
codes within the text, in the same way that its predecessors did:
existing programs such as WordStar, PC-Write, and XyWrite. These all
began as text-based software -- even WordPerfect was originally
text-only(not graphics) when writing to the screen.

MS Word is the only Microsoft program I can think of that the company
did not buy, but crafted themselves. It was graphics-based from the
get-go. When I examine a Word file, I see straight ASCII text -- no
embedded codes. The codes were contained all in a bunch after the text
-- in other words, Word files contain _descriptions_ of text
manipulation and the positions where the changes will occur. I don't
remember that Word has the ability to display the codes in their text
positions, nor has it offered any ability to edit them. So, if OO wants
to go head-to-head against MS Office, it will probably do so on similar
turf.

I prefer programs that use embedded codes and straight ASCII text,
because I can edit the codes, even in a program that's not the same as
the one that originated the work.

I may be wrong -- changes may have happened in the meantime. And looking
at my Open Office text documents in a snoop utility, I can't even make
out the text: it's not stored in ASCII!

Richard
 
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Sparky

Richard said:
And looking
at my Open Office text documents in a snoop utility, I can't even make
out the text: it's not stored in ASCII!

Richard

OpenOffice 2.0 files are XML files. This is a standards-based, gnu-open
source format. I don't know about "snoop" utilities but there's plain
text in mine. Read more here: xml.openoffice.org/xml_advocacy.html

hth,
Sparky
 
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Father Guido

~It is a versatile Microsoft Suite clone, but I think that the
~greatest shortcoming of OpenOffice is its incompatibility with
~Microsoft's VBA component. MS Office macros will simply not run in
~OpenOffice and for most of us that incorporate VBA in our workbooks,
~OpenOffice fails miserably.

Exactly!
 
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Sparky

Father said:
~It is a versatile Microsoft Suite clone, but I think that the
~greatest shortcoming of OpenOffice is its incompatibility with
~Microsoft's VBA component. MS Office macros will simply not run in
~OpenOffice and for most of us that incorporate VBA in our workbooks,
~OpenOffice fails miserably.

Exactly!

VBA is a closed, proprietary scripting language. Or, to put it another
way, an MS income-stream generator. Use it in good health gents.

-Sparky
 
J

John Corliss

Sparky said:
OpenOffice 2.0 files are XML files. This is a standards-based, gnu-open
source format. I don't know about "snoop" utilities but there's plain
text in mine. Read more here: xml.openoffice.org/xml_advocacy.html

Specifically:

"An office document contains content, for example the text of a letter,
or the data in a spreadsheet, along with layout information, which
describes how the content should look like. Also part of document is
meta information like who edited a document and how it is called, or
additional information such as images or embedded objects. To a user,
these are inseparable parts of a single document. But for processing the
document, it makes sense to separate them such that they can be read,
interpreted and modified independently of each other. To facilitate
this, the StarOffice XML file format stores content, layout, meta
information, images and embedded objects in separate streams of a ZIP
based package file."

--
Regards from John Corliss
My current killfile: Chrissy Cruiser, Slowhand Hussein and others.
No adware, cdware, commercial software, crippleware, demoware, nagware,
PROmotionware, shareware, spyware, time-limited software, trialware,
viruses or warez please.
 
J

John Corliss

John said:
Specifically:

"An office document contains content, for example the text of a letter,
or the data in a spreadsheet, along with layout information, which
describes how the content should look like. Also part of document is
meta information like who edited a document and how it is called, or
additional information such as images or embedded objects. To a user,
these are inseparable parts of a single document. But for processing the
document, it makes sense to separate them such that they can be read,
interpreted and modified independently of each other. To facilitate
this, the StarOffice XML file format stores content, layout, meta
information, images and embedded objects in separate streams of a ZIP
based package file."

Forgot to add thanks for the excellent link, Sparky!

--
Regards from John Corliss
My current killfile: Chrissy Cruiser, Slowhand Hussein and others.
No adware, cdware, commercial software, crippleware, demoware, nagware,
PROmotionware, shareware, spyware, time-limited software, trialware,
viruses or warez please.
 
D

David

It is a versatile Microsoft Suite clone, but I think that the greatest
shortcoming of OpenOffice is its incompatibility with Microsoft's VBA
component. MS Office macros will simply not run in OpenOffice and for
most of us that incorporate VBA in our workbooks, OpenOffice fails
miserably.

I believe that conversion is done by the latest versions although
macros generally require some tweaking to get around copyright issues.
 

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