First attempt to assemble a computer -- advice appreciated

[Mac Cool]

John Doe:

Are you predicting that AGP cards will be unavailable after 12
months? Assuming new products from well-known online stores, I
predict at least 30 months.

AGP cards will be available for a long time. You can still buy PCI cards
and ISA cards, but I don't believe that card makers will continue making
new high end cards for AGP for much more than about 12 months. Each time
the video card slot standard has changed, from ISA to VLB, then PCI and
AGP; card makers have hopped on the new standard fairly quickly. It is
expensive to make cards in two formats and there is no reason for it as
the people who are most likely to buy top end cards are the people most
likely to upgrade their systems frequently.

 

[Conor]

I am about to undergo my first attempt to assemple a computer. Any help
or advice anyone can offer would be greatly appreciated.[/QUOTE]

Make sure the wife/kids/dog are out and the TV is switched off.
Make sure you've a large clean workspace.
Have a drink of coffee and read the manuals.
Put together a bare system first, i.e motherboard, CPU, heatsink&fan,
one RAM stick and graphics card then test it to see that it switches on
OK. If it does, add the rest. If it doesn't, don't panic. Check
everything especially that you've turned the plug on and turned on the
switch on the PSU.
Have another drink of coffee.
Install Windows.

Tips:
Use a magnetic screwdriver. saves ages trying to retrieve screws that've
fallen behind things in the case.
The only front panel connectors you can get the wrong way round are HDD
and power LED.
If the floppy drive light remains permanently lit the cable is the wrong
way round at the drive end.
Don't use too much thermal paste.
Heatsinks can be a bastard to get on. Sometimes you really do have to
push that hard. Its a good idea to put the CPU and heatsink on the
motherboard supporting it on a flat surface BEFORE you put the
motherboard in the case.

 

[Bryan Hoover]

I am about to undergo my first attempt to assemple a computer. Any help
or advice anyone can offer would be greatly appreciated.

Make sure the wife/kids/dog are out and the TV is switched off.
Make sure you've a large clean workspace.
Have a drink of coffee and read the manuals.
Put together a bare system first, i.e motherboard, CPU, heatsink&fan,
one RAM stick and graphics card then test it to see that it switches on
OK. If it does, add the rest. If it doesn't, don't panic. Check
everything especially that you've turned the plug on and turned on the
switch on the PSU.
Have another drink of coffee.
Install Windows.

Tips:
Use a magnetic screwdriver. saves ages trying to retrieve screws that've
fallen behind things in the case.
The only front panel connectors you can get the wrong way round are HDD
and power LED.
If the floppy drive light remains permanently lit the cable is the wrong
way round at the drive end.
Don't use too much thermal paste.
Heatsinks can be a bastard to get on. Sometimes you really do have to
push that hard. Its a good idea to put the CPU and heatsink on the
motherboard supporting it on a flat surface BEFORE you put the
motherboard in the case.[/QUOTE]

Flat surface, before put in case, almost a must; stupid not to.

Bryan

 

[jeffc]

Whenever I see a movie review that starts out "Worst Movie Ever!" I
tend to skip it.

But if I read 100 reviews and they all say the same thing, I tend to pay
attention. At one time, BUY.COM was quite good, and had low prices. But
now they're mediocre at best.

 

[John Doe]

But if I read 100 reviews and they all say the same thing, I tend
to pay attention.

That depends on the source. I don't trust commercial web sites for
opinions which are intended to effect my purchases. I learned the
ABCs about advertising long ago.

 

[Dave C.]

Thanks. I appreciate what you are saying. Honestly, I have been elated
with all service (especially drivers that work as intended) from ATI
(video card) and Creative (sound card) for years. They have always
supported their stuff 100% in my experience. I am never left wanting from
those two companies. Maybe that's worth a few extra dollars. OTOH,
perhaps I will try something new, as you recommend. I just hate to change
from anything that is tried and true,

Actually, anything Turtle Beach is just as tried and true as the Creative
brand sound cards. You really can't get better quality than Turtle Beach,
but you can definitely pay more. -Dave

 

[Dave C.]

Joseph Spain:


One thing I should point out... AGP is a dying animal, it is being
replaced by PCI-E and all new video cards are coming out as PCI-E. AGP
cards will be available for maybe 6-12 months, but I suspect the standard
will die quickly. If you are a non-gamer then I wouldn't worry about it,

That's good advice. But typically, all major components will be replaced
every couple of years anyway. That is, by the time you want a new video
card, you probably want a new motherboard and CPU, also. So I generally
advise people to build what will work for them NOW, and not worry about
upgrading it later. There is nothing wrong with PCI-E, but if you don't
need it, it's a waste of money. IMHO -Dave

 

[John Doe]

Actually, anything Turtle Beach is just as tried and true as the
Creative brand sound cards. You really can't get better quality
than Turtle Beach, but you can definitely pay more. -Dave

I like Creative Labs software. I wasn't impressed with the software
which came with my Quadzilla. However, as much as possible I do like to
give others a chance.

 

[Mac Cool]

John Doe:

That depends on the source. I don't trust commercial web sites for
opinions which are intended to effect my purchases. I learned the
ABCs about advertising long ago.

So who are you going to trust, your own experience? That's fine but the
downside is that you have to get burned before you learn. Visit the
video groups and ask about buying from buy.com and read the replies...
they will be overwhelmingly negative. There was a recent story about
someone who ordered a video card and the box had been opened and the
wrong card was inside. Buy.com didn't want to make it right, it took
weeks for the guy to get it straight. In other groups people who have
ordered games from buy.com have posted that their serial was already
registered online, obviously stolen by a buy.com employee. Nine out of
ten people that have posted a review on reseller ratings had a negative
experience. Those are people posting their opinions, not a commercial
website making recommendations. It's your money, spend it where you
like, but I wouldn't go around recommending them to others.

 

[John Doe]

John Doe:

So who are you going to trust, your own experience?

That is IMO an odd question.

Nine out of ten people that have posted a review on reseller
ratings had a negative experience. Those are people posting their
opinions, not a commercial website making recommendations.

But we all know about moderated forums.

It's your money, spend it where you like, but I wouldn't go around
recommending them to others.

This is an unmoderated forum.

My impression is based on a lot of personal experience. The reader
can take it or leave it.

I have shopped at Buy.com for years and have never had a problem
which wasn't resolved in my favor. I almost never need customer
service and have been impressed with their apparent automation.

Overall, my online shopping experience has been excellent.

 

[Kill Bill]

John Doe:

So who are you going to trust, your own experience?

That is IMO an odd question.

Nine out of ten people that have posted a review on reseller
ratings had a negative experience. Those are people posting their
opinions, not a commercial website making recommendations.

But we all know about moderated forums.

It's your money, spend it where you like, but I wouldn't go around
recommending them to others.

This is an unmoderated forum.

My impression is based on a lot of personal experience. The reader
can take it or leave it.

I have shopped at Buy.com for years and have never had a problem
which wasn't resolved in my favor. I almost never need customer
service and have been impressed with their apparent automation.

Overall, my online shopping experience has been excellent.

And somebody out there loves their Ford Pinto too...
http://www.resellerratings.com/seller2107.html

 

[John Doe]

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John Doe:

Whenever I see a movie review that starts out "Worst Movie
Ever!" I tend to skip it.

But if I read 100 reviews and they all say the same thing, I
tend to pay attention.

That depends on the source. I don't trust commercial web sites
for opinions which are intended to effect my purchases. I learned
the ABCs about advertising long ago.

So who are you going to trust, your own experience?

That is IMO an odd question.

Nine out of ten people that have posted a review on reseller
ratings had a negative experience. Those are people posting their
opinions, not a commercial website making recommendations.

But we all know about moderated forums.

It's your money, spend it where you like, but I wouldn't go around
recommending them to others.

This is an unmoderated forum.

My impression is based on a lot of personal experience. The reader
can take it or leave it.

I have shopped at Buy.com for years and have never had a problem
which wasn't resolved in my favor. I almost never need customer
service and have been impressed with their apparent automation.

Overall, my online shopping experience has been excellent.

And somebody out there loves their Ford Pinto too...
http://www.resellerratings.com/seller2107.html

 

[John Doe]

Those are people posting their opinions, not a commercial
website making recommendations.

http://www.resellerratings.com/merchant-solutions

It is a commercial web site. You are making perfectly clear that
their ratings influence where you spend money. That is the
definition of advertising, and they get paid by the very same
companies the ratings steer you to. A merchant who buys
ResellerRatings' services probably receives better published
reviews. That's the way things work in the world.

 

[Kill Bill]

http://www.resellerratings.com/merchant-solutions

It is a commercial web site. You are making perfectly clear that
their ratings influence where you spend money. That is the
definition of advertising, and they get paid by the very same
companies the ratings steer you to. A merchant who buys
ResellerRatings' services probably receives better published
reviews. That's the way things work in the world.

Idiot.

http://www.resellerratings.com/faq.pl

Q: ResellerRatings rated a company unfairly. Please explain.

A: We do not rate companies. Our site users are 100% responsible for
evaluating 100% of the companies listed at ResellerRatings.com. The people
who own and operate ResellerRatings.com do not submit ANY evaluations for
ANY companies. We only maintain the technology and software that powers the
site. Further, users who post evaluations are 100% liable for the content of
their comments.

Q: How do I know that the companies haven't submitted evaluations for
themselves?

A: We use a variety of techniques to prevent voting fraud, not the least of
which is good old fashioned manual review of selected evaluations. We log IP
addresses, we require email verification, we ask for the customer's invoice
number, and occasionally we ask that customers fax us a copy of their order
invoice for verification. Some merchants have in fact attempted to get away
with submitting evaluations for their own companies in the past. Though
rare, such an offense will earn the merchant a comment from us to be placed
in their comments file, letting visitors know of their fraudlent
evaluations. And of course, any fraudulent evaluations are removed.

 

[JAD]

next thing you'll be telling us is that there is no Santa
Claus....shame on you bursting our bubble, that the world is not a
honest place.....I was so disillusioned.

 

[PawsForThought]

From: "ModeratelyConfused" (e-mail address removed)

http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=17-153-006&depa=0

I also recommend this power supply. I bought it based on Dave C.'s
recommendation, and it has been great. The only problem is that the wires
are incredibly long, as in longer than needed for even a tower server case.
You can also plug the PSU fans into one of the chassis fan sockets on the
motherboard, so that the fan speed can be changed. Get it now, while the
price is low because I've noticed that it fluctuates a lot.

I also got a Tt PSU, but the PurePower 560 because it was the only one the
store had and they were giving me a credit for my DOA Antec that I had
previously bought from them. I figure probably way more power than I'll ever
need but I really like this PSU. Nice sleeving. It actually brought my case
temps down about 4 degrees:

http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=17-153-015&depa=0

 

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[Joseph Spain]

But typically, all major components will be replaced every couple of
years anyway.

Good point. In a similar vein, I am having a very hard time selling (or
even disposing of) old computer parts and peripheral components that still
work perfectly. I've tried the regular auction sites, with very little
success, even though I offer the stuff at extremely low prices. Any ideas
on getting rid of or recycling old computer related stuff like an AOpen
V.90 56K Internet/voice/ fax modem card, an RCA DCM235 DOCSIS cable modem,
or a Sound Blaster Live! SB0200 sound card, or should I just trash them?
The stuff still works perfectly, but golly... if no one wants or needs it,
I won't resort to being an eternal packrat. We simply don't have the
available space to store things indefinitely that will likely never be
used again. Maybe I should offer all the stuff together in potpourri
style. Any thoughts?

Joseph

 

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[Mac Cool]

John Doe:

A merchant who buys ResellerRatings' services probably receives
better published reviews. That's the way things work in the world.

That doesn't explain buy.com's horrible rating and negative comments;
neither does it explain the negative comments about their service in
general from other sources on the web. I didn't mean to challenge you on
the buy.com issue, it's just that I have heard so much negative about them
that I was somewhat taken off guard by positive comments.