Firefox, Mozilla and difamation

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FirstName LastName

I've seen this all over this newsgroup so i have to say something.

I'm using Firefox v1.5 with 33 extensions, running all day and although
it can sometimes use 50 to 60 MB of RAM it's fast and stable.

Why there is a need to badmouth this software?
Why there in this newsgroup such a hate to Firefox and the Mozilla
organization?
 
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The Six Million Dollar Man

FirstName said:
I've seen this all over this newsgroup so i have to say something.

I'm using Firefox v1.5 with 33 extensions, running all day and although
it can sometimes use 50 to 60 MB of RAM it's fast and stable.

Why there is a need to badmouth this software?
Why there in this newsgroup such a hate to Firefox and the Mozilla
organization?

Some people have had problems upgrading to Firefox 1.5. In most cases
these people are stating legitimate concerns, and are interested in
discovering if their problem is unique or widespread. Many just want
help from this groups "experts".

I don't believe that people in this group *hate* Firefox or Mozilla.
People who are experiencing problems with a new version of their
favourite software tend to speak-up (sometimes with an aggravated or
irritated tone), while satisfied customers tend to remain happy and quiet.

BTW I am happily using Firefox 1.5.
 
E

elaich

Why there is a need to badmouth this software?
Why there in this newsgroup such a hate to Firefox and the Mozilla
organization?

How interesting that a person who can't spell "defamation" would see "hate"
when users post that they are having problems with something. It's the
attitude of the 2000s. LOL.
 
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=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=BBQ=AB?=

I've seen this all over this newsgroup so i have to say something.

I'm using Firefox v1.5 with 33 extensions, running all day and
although it can sometimes use 50 to 60 MB of RAM it's fast and
stable.

My experience is the same, except that I have 45 extensions. But Fx
does have real memory leak issues which affect some users. Mileage
varies.
 
R

Roger G

FirstName LastName said:
I've seen this all over this newsgroup so i have to say something.

I'm using Firefox v1.5 with 33 extensions, running all day and although it
can sometimes use 50 to 60 MB of RAM it's fast and stable.

Well it's OK to badmouth MS products in this group. This makes you cool, or
so I understood it.
 
M

Mike Andrade

Really, Einstein?
Einstein wasn't the Six Million Dollar Man. Steve Austin was. Not
Stone Cold Steve Austin, but Steve Austin as portrayed by Lee Majors.

Hope this clears it up for you.
 
T

The Six Million Dollar Man

Roger said:
Really, Einstein?

I am re-inserting your message below. The OP was wondering why people
were defaming Firefox. Your response was "Well it's OK to badmouth MS
products in this group. This makes you cool, or so I understood it."

Perhaps Einstein would like to explain?



although it can sometimes use 50 to 60 MB of RAM it's fast and stable.
 
J

jacaranda

Why there is a need to badmouth this software?
Why there in this newsgroup such a hate to Firefox and the Mozilla
organization?

I use Firefox 1.04 and love it! I feel no need to upgrade.

Problems with the new versions eventually get sorted out. In the meantime,
I enjoy the old versions. ;)

It's far better than any of the other browsers I've tried...including Opera
and the IE-based stuff.

That's my experience anyway.
 
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jmatt

"Why there is a need to badmouth this software?"
I see it differently FirstName LastName.
To me, people seem to be making hard work of installing a browser.
Here is how to easily install a new browser.

1. Always make sure it installs in a New folder.
2. If installing an updated version, open Windows Explorer & find the
current version folder ( example > Windows Explorer > Program Files >
Mozilla Firefox )
Rename that folder ( yellow ) by right clicking on it, to > Mozilla
Firefoxold ( ignore the warning message )
Now install the new version, nothing else needs to be done.
Don't like the new version, right click on the folder Mozilla Firefox &
Delete. Go to Mozilla Firefoxold & rename to Mozilla Firefox.

Because I like to know about the different browsers, here is what I
have installed, none conflict with the other, I can have them all open
at the same time.

Right now this is being done with last weeks nightly build of Mozilla's
full version of ( email client etc included ) SeaMonkey & it is
behaving perfectly.

K-Meleon ( 2 versions )
Firefox 1.5
Opera
Netscape
Dr Orca
Ace Explorer
Acco Browser
Avant Browser
Cayman Browser
FastBrowser
FastStone Browser
FlashPeak SlimBrowser
Flock
Free Browser
GoSuRF Browser
Green Browser
Maxthon
MyIE
OB1
IE6
i jini
Sleipnir
Square 1
 
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jmatt

One proviso to my info, if you have a bad install or it is not behaving
as it should, uninstall it via the uninstaller & make sure all remnants
( via Search, Find & your registry cleaners ) are gone.
In the case of a IE engined browser, use the repair function. For those
that need specfic info on Repair, advise me of your operating system &
version of IE.
 
J

jmatt

One proviso to my info, if you have a bad install or it is not behaving
as it should, before you install a new version, uninstall the old
version via the uninstaller & make sure all remnants
( via Search, Find & your registry cleaners ) are gone.
In the case of a IE engined browser, use the repair function. For those
that need specfic info on Repair, advise me of your operating system &
version of IE.
 
J

jacaranda

(e-mail address removed) wrote in @g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
1. Always make sure it installs in a New folder.
2. If installing an updated version, open Windows Explorer & find the
current version folder ( example > Windows Explorer > Program Files >
Mozilla Firefox )
Rename that folder ( yellow ) by right clicking on it, to > Mozilla
Firefoxold ( ignore the warning message )
Now install the new version, nothing else needs to be done.
Don't like the new version, right click on the folder Mozilla Firefox &
Delete. Go to Mozilla Firefoxold & rename to Mozilla Firefox.

Is this foolproof? The fear of an older version getting corupted by a
newer version is my main reason for not upgrading. I've heard a few horror
stories about one version messing up another.

So, I want to know if this technique is bulletproof.
 
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=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=BBQ=AB?=

(e-mail address removed) wrote in @g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:


Is this foolproof? The fear of an older version getting corupted
by a newer version is my main reason for not upgrading. I've
heard a few horror stories about one version messing up another.

So, I want to know if this technique is bulletproof.

No, it's not. The problem is that unless you take steps to avoid
it, the new version will use your old profile, and once the new
version has gotten its hands on the profile, that profile may be
incompatible with the old version. There are ways of making sure
that different versions of Fx never share the same profile.

Before installing the new version, run the old one using the -p
switch to bring up the profile manager. Create a new profile.
Uncheck the box that tells it not to prompt you. Click exit.
Create a shortcut to the old version with the switch -p
oldprofilename. Now you can start the app with that shortcut
without the hassle of the profile manager, but if and external link
opens the brower, you will be prompted to make sure it's using the
profile you need it to, and you can click exit if unsure.

Instead of renaming folders, I just installed Fx 1.5 to a different
folder. A buglet in the installer prevents you from creating a new
directory as you install, so I created it beforehand. Then I chose
the custom install option and browsed to the newly created
/Program Files/firefox15/ folder.

UNcheck the box for running Fx at the end of installation. Create a
shortcut to the new Firefox using the switch -p newprofile name, and
use that shortcut every time you want to launch the new Fx. (As
long as it's not set as the default brower, no external links should
launch it.)

After a couple of weeks using both, I decided to uninstall 1.0.7. I
did it from the control panel, and it did not affect my 1.5
installation. I assume that running the 1.5 uninstaller would not
have touched the 1.0.7 install, but I can't guarantee it. Just
deleting the 1.5 folder would get rid of the new version, but would
leave an entry in your add/remove list.

All the preferences, passwords, cookies, extensions, &c. are stored in
the profile, so as long as you are careful with profiles, you can't
really hose things. I make regular backups of all the files in my main
profile, just in case, but I haven't had to restore a backup since the
0.8 or 0.9 days.
 

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