File Property Summary

P

Pop

XP Pro, Classic Menues

Whenever I copy or move a file that has had the Summary tab of
the Properties window filled in, I get a message about some of
the data won't be copied/moved. When I check, all that didn't
copy/move was the Summary part of the Properties.

Is there a way to get the Summary information to copy or move,
along with the file? Or is it not possible with XP?
 
W

Wesley Vogel

Move to another NTFS formatted location.

[[FAT volumes support only the main, unnamed stream, so if you try to copy
or move StreamExample.doc to a FAT volume or floppy disk, you receive an
error message as shown in Figure 13-15. If you copy the file, all named data
streams and other attributes not supported by FAT are lost.]]
Multiple Data Streams
http://www.microsoft.com/resources/documentation/Windows/XP/all/reskit/en-us/prkc_fil_xurt.asp

--
Hope this helps. Let us know.

Wes
MS-MVP Windows Shell/User

In
 
P

Pop

Hi Wesly,

These are NTFS partitions. It's also not a new issue (for me) as
it's been this way AFAIK since day one and through three rebuilds
over the years. It's also the same annoyance on my laptop XP
Home and my sister's XP Home Desktop, so I don't think it's an os
issue; and t hese are all NTFS machines. I'm in the final throes
of another rebuild right now, and checked it at XP/SP1 install,
after SP2, and after all the Hotfixes (auto-installed, not
manually).

The ref URL looks like it -might- have some tips, but that
particular URL simply reverts/redirects to
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/prodtechnol/winxppro/reskit/default.mspx
which is the selection page.
Which of the specific links on the default.mspx page is that
info located at? I checked a couple that looked likely, but no
go. And nowhere have I yet found any Figures to reference to,
nor the URL you posted; I suspect it's a layer or two down
someplace. And yes, I used copy/paste to put the link into two
different browsers and MS isn't blocked in any way.

Specifically: Can -you- copy a file and have its Summary
information from the Properties tab go along with it? If so,
could you specify your os and relevants?

The Summary seems like a great feature, but totally unusable if
it has to "stick" to a file. It's like it's part of the resident
OS and not referenced at copy/move time. Hmm, maybe it's a
registry entry? Never thought to look. Anyway,

TIA, hope to hear back,

Pop



: Move to another NTFS formatted location.
:
: [[FAT volumes support only the main, unnamed stream, so if you
try to copy
: or move StreamExample.doc to a FAT volume or floppy disk, you
receive an
: error message as shown in Figure 13-15. If you copy the file,
all named data
: streams and other attributes not supported by FAT are lost.]]
: Multiple Data Streams
:
http://www.microsoft.com/resources/documentation/Windows/XP/all/reskit/en-us/prkc_fil_xurt.asp
:
: --
: Hope this helps. Let us know.
:
: Wes
: MS-MVP Windows Shell/User
:
: In : Pop <[email protected]> hunted and pecked:
: > XP Pro, Classic Menues
: >
: > Whenever I copy or move a file that has had the Summary tab
of
: > the Properties window filled in, I get a message about some
of
: > the data won't be copied/moved. When I check, all that
didn't
: > copy/move was the Summary part of the Properties.
: >
: > Is there a way to get the Summary information to copy or
move,
: > along with the file? Or is it not possible with XP?
:
 
W

Wesley Vogel

Yes. Yesterday I discovered that the link had changed. My link originally
went to just Multiple Data Streams. Microsoft has now improved it. LOL

Working with File Systems
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/prodtechnol/winxppro/reskit/c13621675.mspx
Click on...
Using the NTFS File System
and scroll down to...
Multiple Data Streams

Or do a Ctrl + F for Multiple Data Streams.


On NTFS alternate data streams are created by using the Summary tab.

[[A data stream is a sequence of bytes. An application populates the stream
by writing data at specific offsets within the stream. The application can
then read the data by reading the same offsets in the read path. Every file
has a main, unnamed stream associated with it, regardless of the file system
used. However, NTFS supports additional named data streams in which each
data stream is an alternate sequence of bytes as illustrated in Figure x.
Applications can create additional named streams and access the streams by
referring to their names. This feature permits related data to be managed as
a single unit. For example, a graphics program can store a thumbnail image
of a bitmap in a named data stream within the NTFS file containing the
image.]]

[[FAT volumes support only the main, unnamed stream, so if you try to copy
or move a file to a FAT volume or floppy disk, you receive an
error message as shown below. If you copy the file, all named data
streams and other attributes not supported by FAT are lost.]]
from...
Multiple Data Streams
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/prodtechnol/winxppro/reskit/c13621675.mspx


--
Hope this helps. Let us know.

Wes
MS-MVP Windows Shell/User

In
Pop said:
Hi Wesly,

These are NTFS partitions. It's also not a new issue (for me) as
it's been this way AFAIK since day one and through three rebuilds
over the years. It's also the same annoyance on my laptop XP
Home and my sister's XP Home Desktop, so I don't think it's an os
issue; and t hese are all NTFS machines. I'm in the final throes
of another rebuild right now, and checked it at XP/SP1 install,
after SP2, and after all the Hotfixes (auto-installed, not
manually).

The ref URL looks like it -might- have some tips, but that
particular URL simply reverts/redirects to
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/prodtechnol/winxppro/reskit/default.mspx
which is the selection page.
Which of the specific links on the default.mspx page is that
info located at? I checked a couple that looked likely, but no
go. And nowhere have I yet found any Figures to reference to,
nor the URL you posted; I suspect it's a layer or two down
someplace. And yes, I used copy/paste to put the link into two
different browsers and MS isn't blocked in any way.

Specifically: Can -you- copy a file and have its Summary
information from the Properties tab go along with it? If so,
could you specify your os and relevants?

The Summary seems like a great feature, but totally unusable if
it has to "stick" to a file. It's like it's part of the resident
OS and not referenced at copy/move time. Hmm, maybe it's a
registry entry? Never thought to look. Anyway,

TIA, hope to hear back,

Pop



Wesley Vogel said:
Move to another NTFS formatted location.

[[FAT volumes support only the main, unnamed stream, so if you try to
copy or move StreamExample.doc to a FAT volume or floppy disk, you
receive an error message as shown in Figure 13-15. If you copy the file,
all named data streams and other attributes not supported by FAT are
lost.]] Multiple Data Streams
http://www.microsoft.com/resources/documentation/Windows/XP/all/reskit/en-us/prkc_fil_xurt.asp
--
Hope this helps. Let us know.

Wes
MS-MVP Windows Shell/User

In
 
P

Pop

Well, there's a link I wish I'd had a long long time ago! Thank
you very much; that one's a keeper.

Also, I can 'magically' suddenly copy files and the datasream
(now I know the words to use <g>) goes with the copy. I don't
know why: It didn't last week, and hasn't for a long time. I
screwed up though and first tried adding a comment in "Advanced"
mode, so maybe that "set" a bit someplace that needed tickling;
no idea. It's possible I unknowingly turn it off too, I
suppose, so I think I'll try to keep track of it to see when/if
it stops working again. I do tweak a lot of things, and don't
always feel sure of what I'm doing <g>. I know, don't do that!
But I still do.

Thanks again, Wesley, especially for that link;

Pop

Wesley Vogel said:
Yes. Yesterday I discovered that the link had changed. My link
originally
went to just Multiple Data Streams. Microsoft has now improved
it. LOL

Working with File Systems
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/prodtechnol/winxppro/reskit/c13621675.mspx
Click on...
Using the NTFS File System
and scroll down to...
Multiple Data Streams

Or do a Ctrl + F for Multiple Data Streams.


On NTFS alternate data streams are created by using the Summary
tab.

[[A data stream is a sequence of bytes. An application
populates the stream
by writing data at specific offsets within the stream. The
application can
then read the data by reading the same offsets in the read
path. Every file
has a main, unnamed stream associated with it, regardless of
the file system
used. However, NTFS supports additional named data streams in
which each
data stream is an alternate sequence of bytes as illustrated in
Figure x.
Applications can create additional named streams and access the
streams by
referring to their names. This feature permits related data to
be managed as
a single unit. For example, a graphics program can store a
thumbnail image
of a bitmap in a named data stream within the NTFS file
containing the
image.]]

[[FAT volumes support only the main, unnamed stream, so if you
try to copy
or move a file to a FAT volume or floppy disk, you receive an
error message as shown below. If you copy the file, all named
data
streams and other attributes not supported by FAT are lost.]]
from...
Multiple Data Streams
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/prodtechnol/winxppro/reskit/c13621675.mspx


--
Hope this helps. Let us know.

Wes
MS-MVP Windows Shell/User

In
Pop said:
Hi Wesly,

These are NTFS partitions. It's also not a new issue (for me)
as
it's been this way AFAIK since day one and through three
rebuilds
over the years. It's also the same annoyance on my laptop XP
Home and my sister's XP Home Desktop, so I don't think it's an
os
issue; and t hese are all NTFS machines. I'm in the final
throes
of another rebuild right now, and checked it at XP/SP1
install,
after SP2, and after all the Hotfixes (auto-installed, not
manually).

The ref URL looks like it -might- have some tips, but that
particular URL simply reverts/redirects to
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/prodtechnol/winxppro/reskit/default.mspx
which is the selection page.
Which of the specific links on the default.mspx page is
that
info located at? I checked a couple that looked likely, but
no
go. And nowhere have I yet found any Figures to reference to,
nor the URL you posted; I suspect it's a layer or two down
someplace. And yes, I used copy/paste to put the link into
two
different browsers and MS isn't blocked in any way.

Specifically: Can -you- copy a file and have its Summary
information from the Properties tab go along with it? If so,
could you specify your os and relevants?

The Summary seems like a great feature, but totally unusable
if
it has to "stick" to a file. It's like it's part of the
resident
OS and not referenced at copy/move time. Hmm, maybe it's a
registry entry? Never thought to look. Anyway,

TIA, hope to hear back,

Pop



Wesley Vogel said:
Move to another NTFS formatted location.

[[FAT volumes support only the main, unnamed stream, so if
you try to
copy or move StreamExample.doc to a FAT volume or floppy
disk, you
receive an error message as shown in Figure 13-15. If you
copy the file,
all named data streams and other attributes not supported by
FAT are
lost.]] Multiple Data Streams
http://www.microsoft.com/resources/documentation/Windows/XP/all/reskit/en-us/prkc_fil_xurt.asp
--
Hope this helps. Let us know.

Wes
MS-MVP Windows Shell/User

In Pop <[email protected]> hunted and pecked:
XP Pro, Classic Menues

Whenever I copy or move a file that has had the Summary tab
of
the Properties window filled in, I get a message about some
of
the data won't be copied/moved. When I check, all that
didn't
copy/move was the Summary part of the Properties.

Is there a way to get the Summary information to copy or
move,
along with the file? Or is it not possible with XP?
 
W

Wesley Vogel

Hi Pop,

[[On the Summary tab, click Simple, and then type your comment in the
Comments area. ]]
from...
To add a comment to a file
http://www.microsoft.com/resources/...p/all/proddocs/en-us/windows_add_comment.mspx

There is a registry setting, I can't remember where and it's not well
documented, on Simple or Advanced view for Summary.

In any file's Summary, if you click Simple and close Properties that is how
Summary will open the next time.

In any file's Summary, if you click Advanced and close Properties that is
how Summary will open the next time.

You cannot set it permanently, Windows just remembers how it was when
Summary was last closed.

I found it.

HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\
CurrentVersion\Explorer\PropSummary
Value Name: Advanced
Data Type: REG_DWORD
Value Data: 0 or 1
0 = Simple Default
1 = Advanced default
(from Tony Klein)

Since I posted yesterday, I have done quite a bit of reading on NTFS
Alternate (Multiple) Data Streams.

Damn Mac computers, the cause of all of this.

NTFS Alternate (Multiple) Data Streams articles

The first four are short and to the point. I haven't read all of them yet.

NTFS Data Streams - Windows Alternate Data Stream, NP.EXE
http://www.auditmypc.com/freescan/readingroom/ntfsstreams.asp

Windows Alternate Data Streams
http://www.bleepingcomputer.com/forums/tutorial25.html

Windows NTFS Alternate Data Streams
http://www.securityfocus.com/infocus/1822

NTFS Streams
http://www.alcpress.com/articles/ads.html

-----

Alternate Data Streams Threat or Menace Why Alternate Data Streams
http://www.informit.com/articles/article.asp?p=413685&rl=1

FAQ Alternate Data Streams in NTFS
http://www.heysoft.de/nt/ntfs-ads.htm

Fork (filesystem)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternate_data_stream

Hidden NTFS Alternate Data Streams (ADS) Explained - Are You At Risk?
http://www.diamondcs.com.au/web/streams/streams.htm

Hidden Threat Alternate Data Streams
http://www.windowsecurity.com/articles/Alternate_Data_Streams.html

NTFS Alternate Data Streams » Girl Geekette dotNet
http://www.girlgeekette.net/2005/09/16/ntfs-alternate-data-streams/

NTFS Data Streams
http://www.relsoft.net/datastreams.html

NTFS Streams - Everything you need to know (demos and tests included)
http://www.diamondcs.com.au/index.php?page=archive&id=ntfs-streams

Practical Guide to Alternative Data Streams in NTFS
http://www.irongeek.com/i.php?page=security/altds

--
Hope this helps. Let us know.

Wes
MS-MVP Windows Shell/User

In
Pop said:
Well, there's a link I wish I'd had a long long time ago! Thank
you very much; that one's a keeper.

Also, I can 'magically' suddenly copy files and the datasream
(now I know the words to use <g>) goes with the copy. I don't
know why: It didn't last week, and hasn't for a long time. I
screwed up though and first tried adding a comment in "Advanced"
mode, so maybe that "set" a bit someplace that needed tickling;
no idea. It's possible I unknowingly turn it off too, I
suppose, so I think I'll try to keep track of it to see when/if
it stops working again. I do tweak a lot of things, and don't
always feel sure of what I'm doing <g>. I know, don't do that!
But I still do.

Thanks again, Wesley, especially for that link;

Pop

Wesley Vogel said:
Yes. Yesterday I discovered that the link had changed. My link
originally
went to just Multiple Data Streams. Microsoft has now improved
it. LOL

Working with File Systems
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/prodtechnol/winxppro/reskit/c13621675.mspx
Click on...
Using the NTFS File System
and scroll down to...
Multiple Data Streams

Or do a Ctrl + F for Multiple Data Streams.


On NTFS alternate data streams are created by using the Summary
tab.

[[A data stream is a sequence of bytes. An application
populates the stream
by writing data at specific offsets within the stream. The
application can
then read the data by reading the same offsets in the read
path. Every file
has a main, unnamed stream associated with it, regardless of
the file system
used. However, NTFS supports additional named data streams in
which each
data stream is an alternate sequence of bytes as illustrated in
Figure x.
Applications can create additional named streams and access the
streams by
referring to their names. This feature permits related data to
be managed as
a single unit. For example, a graphics program can store a
thumbnail image
of a bitmap in a named data stream within the NTFS file
containing the
image.]]

[[FAT volumes support only the main, unnamed stream, so if you
try to copy
or move a file to a FAT volume or floppy disk, you receive an
error message as shown below. If you copy the file, all named
data
streams and other attributes not supported by FAT are lost.]]
from...
Multiple Data Streams
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/prodtechnol/winxppro/reskit/c13621675.mspx


--
Hope this helps. Let us know.

Wes
MS-MVP Windows Shell/User

In
Pop said:
Hi Wesly,

These are NTFS partitions. It's also not a new issue (for me)
as
it's been this way AFAIK since day one and through three
rebuilds
over the years. It's also the same annoyance on my laptop XP
Home and my sister's XP Home Desktop, so I don't think it's an
os
issue; and t hese are all NTFS machines. I'm in the final
throes
of another rebuild right now, and checked it at XP/SP1
install,
after SP2, and after all the Hotfixes (auto-installed, not
manually).

The ref URL looks like it -might- have some tips, but that
particular URL simply reverts/redirects to
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/prodtechnol/winxppro/reskit/default.mspx
which is the selection page.
Which of the specific links on the default.mspx page is
that
info located at? I checked a couple that looked likely, but
no
go. And nowhere have I yet found any Figures to reference to,
nor the URL you posted; I suspect it's a layer or two down
someplace. And yes, I used copy/paste to put the link into
two
different browsers and MS isn't blocked in any way.

Specifically: Can -you- copy a file and have its Summary
information from the Properties tab go along with it? If so,
could you specify your os and relevants?

The Summary seems like a great feature, but totally unusable
if
it has to "stick" to a file. It's like it's part of the
resident
OS and not referenced at copy/move time. Hmm, maybe it's a
registry entry? Never thought to look. Anyway,

TIA, hope to hear back,

Pop



Move to another NTFS formatted location.

[[FAT volumes support only the main, unnamed stream, so if
you try to
copy or move StreamExample.doc to a FAT volume or floppy
disk, you
receive an error message as shown in Figure 13-15. If you
copy the file,
all named data streams and other attributes not supported by
FAT are
lost.]] Multiple Data Streams
http://www.microsoft.com/resources/documentation/Windows/XP/all/reskit/en-us/prkc_fil_xurt.asp
--
Hope this helps. Let us know.

Wes
MS-MVP Windows Shell/User

In Pop <[email protected]> hunted and pecked:
XP Pro, Classic Menues

Whenever I copy or move a file that has had the Summary tab
of
the Properties window filled in, I get a message about some
of
the data won't be copied/moved. When I check, all that
didn't
copy/move was the Summary part of the Properties.

Is there a way to get the Summary information to copy or
move,
along with the file? Or is it not possible with XP?
 
P

Pop

You've been busy; thanks!!

Pop


Wesley Vogel said:
Hi Pop,

[[On the Summary tab, click Simple, and then type your comment
in the
Comments area. ]]
from...
To add a comment to a file
http://www.microsoft.com/resources/...p/all/proddocs/en-us/windows_add_comment.mspx

There is a registry setting, I can't remember where and it's
not well
documented, on Simple or Advanced view for Summary.

In any file's Summary, if you click Simple and close Properties
that is how
Summary will open the next time.

In any file's Summary, if you click Advanced and close
Properties that is
how Summary will open the next time.

You cannot set it permanently, Windows just remembers how it
was when
Summary was last closed.

I found it.

HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\
CurrentVersion\Explorer\PropSummary
Value Name: Advanced
Data Type: REG_DWORD
Value Data: 0 or 1
0 = Simple Default
1 = Advanced default
(from Tony Klein)

Since I posted yesterday, I have done quite a bit of reading on
NTFS
Alternate (Multiple) Data Streams.

Damn Mac computers, the cause of all of this.

NTFS Alternate (Multiple) Data Streams articles

The first four are short and to the point. I haven't read all
of them yet.

NTFS Data Streams - Windows Alternate Data Stream, NP.EXE
http://www.auditmypc.com/freescan/readingroom/ntfsstreams.asp

Windows Alternate Data Streams
http://www.bleepingcomputer.com/forums/tutorial25.html

Windows NTFS Alternate Data Streams
http://www.securityfocus.com/infocus/1822

NTFS Streams
http://www.alcpress.com/articles/ads.html

-----

Alternate Data Streams Threat or Menace Why Alternate Data
Streams
http://www.informit.com/articles/article.asp?p=413685&rl=1

FAQ Alternate Data Streams in NTFS
http://www.heysoft.de/nt/ntfs-ads.htm

Fork (filesystem)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternate_data_stream

Hidden NTFS Alternate Data Streams (ADS) Explained - Are You At
Risk?
http://www.diamondcs.com.au/web/streams/streams.htm

Hidden Threat Alternate Data Streams
http://www.windowsecurity.com/articles/Alternate_Data_Streams.html

NTFS Alternate Data Streams » Girl Geekette dotNet
http://www.girlgeekette.net/2005/09/16/ntfs-alternate-data-streams/

NTFS Data Streams
http://www.relsoft.net/datastreams.html

NTFS Streams - Everything you need to know (demos and tests
included)
http://www.diamondcs.com.au/index.php?page=archive&id=ntfs-streams

Practical Guide to Alternative Data Streams in NTFS
http://www.irongeek.com/i.php?page=security/altds

--
Hope this helps. Let us know.

Wes
MS-MVP Windows Shell/User

In
Pop said:
Well, there's a link I wish I'd had a long long time ago!
Thank
you very much; that one's a keeper.

Also, I can 'magically' suddenly copy files and the datasream
(now I know the words to use <g>) goes with the copy. I don't
know why: It didn't last week, and hasn't for a long time. I
screwed up though and first tried adding a comment in
"Advanced"
mode, so maybe that "set" a bit someplace that needed
tickling;
no idea. It's possible I unknowingly turn it off too, I
suppose, so I think I'll try to keep track of it to see
when/if
it stops working again. I do tweak a lot of things, and don't
always feel sure of what I'm doing <g>. I know, don't do
that!
But I still do.

Thanks again, Wesley, especially for that link;

Pop

Wesley Vogel said:
Yes. Yesterday I discovered that the link had changed. My
link
originally
went to just Multiple Data Streams. Microsoft has now
improved
it. LOL

Working with File Systems
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/prodtechnol/winxppro/reskit/c13621675.mspx
Click on...
Using the NTFS File System
and scroll down to...
Multiple Data Streams

Or do a Ctrl + F for Multiple Data Streams.


On NTFS alternate data streams are created by using the
Summary
tab.

[[A data stream is a sequence of bytes. An application
populates the stream
by writing data at specific offsets within the stream. The
application can
then read the data by reading the same offsets in the read
path. Every file
has a main, unnamed stream associated with it, regardless of
the file system
used. However, NTFS supports additional named data streams in
which each
data stream is an alternate sequence of bytes as illustrated
in
Figure x.
Applications can create additional named streams and access
the
streams by
referring to their names. This feature permits related data
to
be managed as
a single unit. For example, a graphics program can store a
thumbnail image
of a bitmap in a named data stream within the NTFS file
containing the
image.]]

[[FAT volumes support only the main, unnamed stream, so if
you
try to copy
or move a file to a FAT volume or floppy disk, you receive an
error message as shown below. If you copy the file, all named
data
streams and other attributes not supported by FAT are lost.]]
from...
Multiple Data Streams
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/prodtechnol/winxppro/reskit/c13621675.mspx


--
Hope this helps. Let us know.

Wes
MS-MVP Windows Shell/User

In Pop <[email protected]> hunted and pecked:
Hi Wesly,

These are NTFS partitions. It's also not a new issue (for
me)
as
it's been this way AFAIK since day one and through three
rebuilds
over the years. It's also the same annoyance on my laptop
XP
Home and my sister's XP Home Desktop, so I don't think it's
an
os
issue; and t hese are all NTFS machines. I'm in the final
throes
of another rebuild right now, and checked it at XP/SP1
install,
after SP2, and after all the Hotfixes (auto-installed, not
manually).

The ref URL looks like it -might- have some tips, but that
particular URL simply reverts/redirects to
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/prodtechnol/winxppro/reskit/default.mspx
which is the selection page.
Which of the specific links on the default.mspx page is
that
info located at? I checked a couple that looked likely, but
no
go. And nowhere have I yet found any Figures to reference
to,
nor the URL you posted; I suspect it's a layer or two down
someplace. And yes, I used copy/paste to put the link into
two
different browsers and MS isn't blocked in any way.

Specifically: Can -you- copy a file and have its Summary
information from the Properties tab go along with it? If
so,
could you specify your os and relevants?

The Summary seems like a great feature, but totally unusable
if
it has to "stick" to a file. It's like it's part of the
resident
OS and not referenced at copy/move time. Hmm, maybe it's a
registry entry? Never thought to look. Anyway,

TIA, hope to hear back,

Pop



Move to another NTFS formatted location.

[[FAT volumes support only the main, unnamed stream, so if
you try to
copy or move StreamExample.doc to a FAT volume or floppy
disk, you
receive an error message as shown in Figure 13-15. If you
copy the file,
all named data streams and other attributes not supported
by
FAT are
lost.]] Multiple Data Streams


http://www.microsoft.com/resources/documentation/Windows/XP/all/reskit/en-us/prkc_fil_xurt.asp

--
Hope this helps. Let us know.

Wes
MS-MVP Windows Shell/User

In Pop <[email protected]> hunted and pecked:
XP Pro, Classic Menues

Whenever I copy or move a file that has had the Summary
tab
of
the Properties window filled in, I get a message about
some
of
the data won't be copied/moved. When I check, all that
didn't
copy/move was the Summary part of the Properties.

Is there a way to get the Summary information to copy or
move,
along with the file? Or is it not possible with XP?
 
W

Wesley Vogel

Always! Keep having fun. :)

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Wes
MS-MVP Windows Shell/User

In
Pop said:
You've been busy; thanks!!

Pop


Wesley Vogel said:
Hi Pop,

[[On the Summary tab, click Simple, and then type your comment
in the
Comments area. ]]
from...
To add a comment to a file
http://www.microsoft.com/resources/...p/all/proddocs/en-us/windows_add_comment.mspx

There is a registry setting, I can't remember where and it's
not well
documented, on Simple or Advanced view for Summary.

In any file's Summary, if you click Simple and close Properties
that is how
Summary will open the next time.

In any file's Summary, if you click Advanced and close
Properties that is
how Summary will open the next time.

You cannot set it permanently, Windows just remembers how it
was when
Summary was last closed.

I found it.

HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\
CurrentVersion\Explorer\PropSummary
Value Name: Advanced
Data Type: REG_DWORD
Value Data: 0 or 1
0 = Simple Default
1 = Advanced default
(from Tony Klein)

Since I posted yesterday, I have done quite a bit of reading on
NTFS
Alternate (Multiple) Data Streams.

Damn Mac computers, the cause of all of this.

NTFS Alternate (Multiple) Data Streams articles

The first four are short and to the point. I haven't read all
of them yet.

NTFS Data Streams - Windows Alternate Data Stream, NP.EXE
http://www.auditmypc.com/freescan/readingroom/ntfsstreams.asp

Windows Alternate Data Streams
http://www.bleepingcomputer.com/forums/tutorial25.html

Windows NTFS Alternate Data Streams
http://www.securityfocus.com/infocus/1822

NTFS Streams
http://www.alcpress.com/articles/ads.html

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Alternate Data Streams Threat or Menace Why Alternate Data
Streams
http://www.informit.com/articles/article.asp?p=413685&rl=1

FAQ Alternate Data Streams in NTFS
http://www.heysoft.de/nt/ntfs-ads.htm

Fork (filesystem)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternate_data_stream

Hidden NTFS Alternate Data Streams (ADS) Explained - Are You At
Risk?
http://www.diamondcs.com.au/web/streams/streams.htm

Hidden Threat Alternate Data Streams
http://www.windowsecurity.com/articles/Alternate_Data_Streams.html

NTFS Alternate Data Streams » Girl Geekette dotNet
http://www.girlgeekette.net/2005/09/16/ntfs-alternate-data-streams/

NTFS Data Streams
http://www.relsoft.net/datastreams.html

NTFS Streams - Everything you need to know (demos and tests
included)
http://www.diamondcs.com.au/index.php?page=archive&id=ntfs-streams

Practical Guide to Alternative Data Streams in NTFS
http://www.irongeek.com/i.php?page=security/altds

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MS-MVP Windows Shell/User

In
Pop said:
Well, there's a link I wish I'd had a long long time ago!
Thank
you very much; that one's a keeper.

Also, I can 'magically' suddenly copy files and the datasream
(now I know the words to use <g>) goes with the copy. I don't
know why: It didn't last week, and hasn't for a long time. I
screwed up though and first tried adding a comment in
"Advanced"
mode, so maybe that "set" a bit someplace that needed
tickling;
no idea. It's possible I unknowingly turn it off too, I
suppose, so I think I'll try to keep track of it to see
when/if
it stops working again. I do tweak a lot of things, and don't
always feel sure of what I'm doing <g>. I know, don't do
that!
But I still do.

Thanks again, Wesley, especially for that link;

Pop

Yes. Yesterday I discovered that the link had changed. My
link
originally
went to just Multiple Data Streams. Microsoft has now
improved
it. LOL

Working with File Systems
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/prodtechnol/winxppro/reskit/c13621675.mspx
Click on...
Using the NTFS File System
and scroll down to...
Multiple Data Streams

Or do a Ctrl + F for Multiple Data Streams.


On NTFS alternate data streams are created by using the
Summary
tab.

[[A data stream is a sequence of bytes. An application
populates the stream
by writing data at specific offsets within the stream. The
application can
then read the data by reading the same offsets in the read
path. Every file
has a main, unnamed stream associated with it, regardless of
the file system
used. However, NTFS supports additional named data streams in
which each
data stream is an alternate sequence of bytes as illustrated
in
Figure x.
Applications can create additional named streams and access
the
streams by
referring to their names. This feature permits related data
to
be managed as
a single unit. For example, a graphics program can store a
thumbnail image
of a bitmap in a named data stream within the NTFS file
containing the
image.]]

[[FAT volumes support only the main, unnamed stream, so if
you
try to copy
or move a file to a FAT volume or floppy disk, you receive an
error message as shown below. If you copy the file, all named
data
streams and other attributes not supported by FAT are lost.]]
from...
Multiple Data Streams
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/prodtechnol/winxppro/reskit/c13621675.mspx
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MS-MVP Windows Shell/User

In Pop <[email protected]> hunted and pecked:
Hi Wesly,

These are NTFS partitions. It's also not a new issue (for
me)
as
it's been this way AFAIK since day one and through three
rebuilds
over the years. It's also the same annoyance on my laptop
XP
Home and my sister's XP Home Desktop, so I don't think it's
an
os
issue; and t hese are all NTFS machines. I'm in the final
throes
of another rebuild right now, and checked it at XP/SP1
install,
after SP2, and after all the Hotfixes (auto-installed, not
manually).

The ref URL looks like it -might- have some tips, but that
particular URL simply reverts/redirects to
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/prodtechnol/winxppro/reskit/default.mspx
which is the selection page.
Which of the specific links on the default.mspx page is
that
info located at? I checked a couple that looked likely, but
no
go. And nowhere have I yet found any Figures to reference
to,
nor the URL you posted; I suspect it's a layer or two down
someplace. And yes, I used copy/paste to put the link into
two
different browsers and MS isn't blocked in any way.

Specifically: Can -you- copy a file and have its Summary
information from the Properties tab go along with it? If
so,
could you specify your os and relevants?

The Summary seems like a great feature, but totally unusable
if
it has to "stick" to a file. It's like it's part of the
resident
OS and not referenced at copy/move time. Hmm, maybe it's a
registry entry? Never thought to look. Anyway,

TIA, hope to hear back,

Pop



Move to another NTFS formatted location.

[[FAT volumes support only the main, unnamed stream, so if
you try to
copy or move StreamExample.doc to a FAT volume or floppy
disk, you
receive an error message as shown in Figure 13-15. If you
copy the file,
all named data streams and other attributes not supported
by
FAT are
lost.]] Multiple Data Streams
http://www.microsoft.com/resources/documentation/Windows/XP/all/reskit/en-us/prkc_fil_xurt.asp
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Wes
MS-MVP Windows Shell/User

In Pop <[email protected]> hunted and pecked:
XP Pro, Classic Menues

Whenever I copy or move a file that has had the Summary
tab
of
the Properties window filled in, I get a message about
some
of
the data won't be copied/moved. When I check, all that
didn't
copy/move was the Summary part of the Properties.

Is there a way to get the Summary information to copy or
move,
along with the file? Or is it not possible with XP?
 

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