file corruption

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Guest

I installed Windows Vista Beta 2 over my existing Windows XP operating
system. Now I am getting all sorts of file corruption errors. I get weird
messages that files are corrupted and I need to run checkdisk. Then the
system locks up. When I reboot checkdisk runs for 30 minutes making all
sorts of repairs. Then Vista works but soon I get more file corruption
errors. What can I do about this? I need access to my files in order to do
my work!
 
J

Joshua Edwards

Andre,

I saw these same errors and didn't upgrade from XP... I installed on a
second partition... however, they didn't start until I installed the EA
antivirus from the MS site... I thought it was supposed to work, but
obviously it corrupted my drive... don't know how.... I was going to
install Vista on my laptop, but ended up not being able to boot from the
DVD I burned... it booted in another computer, so I knew it wasn't the
DVD.... I don't know... I went back to XP and am planning on leaving it
until the RTM version comes out.. then I'll upgrade....

Josh
 
G

Guest

I cannot seem to save any files at all. Everytime I try to do something it
tells me the file is corrupted and to run chkdsk. But I have done this
numerous times to no avail. Is there anyway to go back to the Windows XP
operating system I had before? I do not have the installation CD anymore and
I need my computer to be working depserately.
 
J

Jane C

There is no uninstall/rollback option for Vista. You will need an XP
installation cd to get back to XP.
 
A

Andre Da Costa [Extended64]

Good luck.
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Andrew Shaw said:
That's an interesting point Andre.
I've just installed the CA EZ product on one of my test Vista machines and
that *seems* OK so far, but I've also installed the other product MS have
on their site, the PC-Cillin one on my second Vista test box and that
seems to have killed it. I'm about to do your trick and uninstall it and
see if I get my laptop back !


Andre Da Costa said:
Oh yes, I forgot about that one Josh, I have experienced instability with
EZ also and I had to uninstall it safe mode. So good point.
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Joshua Edwards said:
Andre,

I saw these same errors and didn't upgrade from XP... I installed on a
second partition... however, they didn't start until I installed the EA
antivirus from the MS site... I thought it was supposed to work, but
obviously it corrupted my drive... don't know how.... I was going to
install Vista on my laptop, but ended up not being able to boot from the
DVD I burned... it booted in another computer, so I knew it wasn't the
DVD.... I don't know... I went back to XP and am planning on leaving it
until the RTM version comes out.. then I'll upgrade....

Josh

Andre Da Costa [Extended64] wrote:
I suspect you are seeing the effects of not so good upgrade to Vista.
You need file a report on these issues, if I were you, I would back up
any data I can and go back to XP. Did you also try running CHKDSK in
safe mode, it might help a bit?
 
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Bones

To get back to XP it's format/clean install. Any of you looking for
antivirus software for Vista, I've heard that Avast seems to work well, most
others do not at this time. I think Avast is free? Not sure as I havent had
time to try to d/l it yet.
 
G

Guest

I cannot save my files before doing this format/clean install. It keeps
telling me that there are files not found and that I have to run chkdsk. I
do this, but it seems that every time I go back into Vista the hard drive
gets corrupted again. I desperately need access to my data. What can I do?
 
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Andrew Shaw

That's an interesting point Andre.
I've just installed the CA EZ product on one of my test Vista machines and
that *seems* OK so far, but I've also installed the other product MS have on
their site, the PC-Cillin one on my second Vista test box and that seems to
have killed it. I'm about to do your trick and uninstall it and see if I get
my laptop back !
 
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Andrew Shaw

Thanks, but alas it didn't work.
I couldn't even uninstall PC-cillin from safe mode, I got complaints about
Installer not functioning.
The laptop rebuild is happening as I write this :)


Andre Da Costa said:
Good luck.
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Andrew Shaw said:
That's an interesting point Andre.
I've just installed the CA EZ product on one of my test Vista machines
and that *seems* OK so far, but I've also installed the other product MS
have on their site, the PC-Cillin one on my second Vista test box and
that seems to have killed it. I'm about to do your trick and uninstall it
and see if I get my laptop back !


Andre Da Costa said:
Oh yes, I forgot about that one Josh, I have experienced instability
with EZ also and I had to uninstall it safe mode. So good point.
--
--
Andre
Windows Connected | http://www.windowsconnected.com
Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com
Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre
http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta

Andre,

I saw these same errors and didn't upgrade from XP... I installed on a
second partition... however, they didn't start until I installed the EA
antivirus from the MS site... I thought it was supposed to work, but
obviously it corrupted my drive... don't know how.... I was going to
install Vista on my laptop, but ended up not being able to boot from
the DVD I burned... it booted in another computer, so I knew it wasn't
the DVD.... I don't know... I went back to XP and am planning on
leaving it until the RTM version comes out.. then I'll upgrade....

Josh

Andre Da Costa [Extended64] wrote:
I suspect you are seeing the effects of not so good upgrade to Vista.
You need file a report on these issues, if I were you, I would back up
any data I can and go back to XP. Did you also try running CHKDSK in
safe mode, it might help a bit?
 
B

Bones

Umm you upgraded to a beta OS on a pc with important data without backing it
up? That's really just begging for something to happen to the data. Do you
have an extra partition where you could try to install XP and access the
data from there?
 
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Andrew Shaw

Avast is indeed free for home, personal use.
I've been using it for a while on my home XP box and it works very well.
I think its about to go on my Vista box now too!
 
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Guest

Yes, I did because I figured that at this stage there was no way that an
operating system could tamper with my existing data files. The latest is
that now chkdsk will not even run. It errors out with the message that there
is not enough disk space to fix the master file table. I do not have any
extra partition and now I am even having trouble booting into Vista. I am
getting desperate.
 
N

Norman Diamond

I figured that at this stage there was no way that an operating system
could tamper with my existing data files.

Welcome to Windows.

My latest observation along these lines is that the .Net Framework 2
installer for both 64-bit and 32-bit Windows XP overwrites Dr. Watson stuff
on the wrong partitions. If there are other Windows installations on those
other partitions then they get corrupted.
 
C

Chad Harris

Neal--

I'm not versed in chkdsk problems in Vista; so hopefully someone will
address that. I can tell you that you run a real risk right now running SFC
System File Checker with some switches in Vista, because unlike the friend
SFC is to you in XP, it can often corrupt your registry through the Beta 2
build in Vista. MSFT doesn't like to document many utilities and
components in Vista at least they aren't yet on MSDN, their blogs, and
Technet, unless it sells you books from the MSFT store. They'll sell you
some documentation in one of the nine Vista books that have hit stores early
on.

Get Ready to Learn from Books what MSFT Won't Post on its Sites on Win RE,
System Restore, SFC in Vista--and get Ready to Pay for It
http://www.microsoftbookstore.com/Store.aspx?ain=Default

Neal, I don't know what System Restore will do for you because it's been
many peoples' experience that SR in Vista which is dependent on Volume
Shadow Services cannot make retore points, and it loses them when you go to
an XP boot if it has made any. I also cannot offer you any articles on
System Restore in Vista, because those don't exist,but perhaps you can read
the scant information there is in Help.

There may be some quick joy for you though in a new Vista feature or utility
called Windows Recovery Environment or Win RE. You need a DVD to access it.

There is a promising "feature" or utility in Vista called Win RE or Windows
Recovery Environment. Unfortunately, MSFT has published no information on
it on their site, so that if Vista evokes a metaphor of a broad horizon,
they are encouraging you to explore many of the features in it by fflying by
the seat of your pants.

It may be that the missing corrupt system file feature is not up and running
in Beta 2. I could tell you more accurately if I could find any information
from MSFT or anywhere else on Win RE.

Win RE can be launched directly from the installation media that MSFT says
it will mail out to people in a few weeks. If you burn the ISO, Win RE can
be launched directly from it. It fixed a registry corruption caused by the
erratic damaging SFC (SystemFile Checker) that the developers and PMS on the
Vista team have crafted for Vista. This tool is targeting fixing corrupt
drivers,corrupt registries, drivers that are not compatible with your
hardware, and a few other no start problems that will be elucidated when and
if someone from MSFT ever rights an intelligent article on this feature.

In other words, they turned Vista loose on the public without explaining
many of its features, includingthe ones that are designed to save your OS.
I consider saving the OS a fairly important priority. It's hard for me to
discern what priority MSFT gives it.

***Accessing Windows RE (Repair Environment):***

1) Insert Media into PC

2) You will see on the Vista logo setup screen after lang. options in the
lower left corner, a link called "System Recovery Options."

3) Select your OS for repair.

4) Its been my experience that you can see some causes of the crash from the
Win RE feature, but as is SOP with errors from Windows, most of them are
written in unintelligible encrypted language, hex or otherwise, that are
often metastatically and ectopically scattered to the four corners of the
operating system. They also have cute names like Sometimes at least one of
them is in English.

5) Just as they did with XP, MSFT will make promises that OEM partitions and
Recovery Discs will access Win RE. I've had seven years to realize that's
not true; and you have six more years to understand it's not true in Vista.
If you pluck down your hard earned money to the large OEM companies for a
machine, insist that they fund an OEM retail DVD so that you will be able to
access Win RE when Vista RTMs. MSFT is ensuring this won't happen, as are
the OEMs because the two entitties can't cooperate on a price point to
deliver customers the Recovery tools that they are making in Vista that they
need. Corporate customers may have customized solutions in the context of
Win RE, but all those teenyboopers using PCs in the MSFT ads that will
trumpet Vista aren't corporate customers if I understand what Gartner calls
a corporation/enterprise accurately.

5) MSFT will always issue some reflex aphorism like "OEMs are encouraged to
provide the media" and I offer you as prime evidence of the efficacy of MSFT
encouragement 7 years of XP and its Beta where I've fixed 1000 no start XP's
and hidden and unhidden partitions from large so-called OEM named partners
have been over 99% ineffective.

*Ask anyone who signs such a statement if they will go on prime time TV
trying to access Win RE with a standard OEM recovery disc or partition.*
Don't expect the silence to ever be broken. Don't expect anyone from MSFT
to jump in here or anywhere else and say "Hell yes those OEM discs will
access Win RE." They know a lot better. They know the truth and silence
underscores that they do. If they think diffently, let's see Stevie Ballmer
dance on in here and say so.

Truth in advertising would be a polished statement like "Hey Yo Customers.
We know you're buying OEM pre-installed Vista. But listen up, because if
you want effective access to our spiffy new recovery feature, you had better
get your hands on a retailed DVD. Are we requiring you to purchase Vista
twice (preinstalled and a retailed DVD? You bet your little round start
button we are." Don't expect
Wegner-Edstrom or any companies hired to do the "Vista in Every Pot in
countries where no PC is left behind the migration ad campaign" to advertise
with this kind of clarity and transparency. It's my experience if you want
to make a room full of softies very quiet, ask them about the ability of OEM
tools to handle no boots and what the success rate is. Most of the softies
don't have a lot of experience with no boots,and when they do, they know the
truth and they have tons of their own media free anyway.

What would change this is if everyone purchasing an OEM computer simply
insist to the sales person, that they won't spend their hundreds or
thousands of dollars unless they get a genuine MSFT Retail DVD with that
very expensive machine. What would be interesting is if the OEM VP of MSFT
would post precisely what code is given over to the OEMs to make these half
baked not even capable of being a frissbee Recovery CDs or what goes into a
so called and classic oxymoron of a name "recovery partitions."

When you realize that the MSFT OEM VP is an accountant from Price Waterhouse
with no background in computer software engineering, it gets very easy to
understand what is going on in the 3 Card Monte Shell Game where MSFT tells
you their OEM partners are "encouraged to provide access to their Recovery
tools like Win RE." It is time that the Vista PMs stood up to these
accountants who block delivery of their software to a prospective/projected
500 million OEM non enterprise customers and insisted that their product get
delivered to customers. But often a backbone is a very difficult thing to
find at Redmond. Gates, Ballmer, Sinofsky, Allchin and Chris Jones,
Corporate VP Windows Client Core Development should proudly stand up and
brag that they are delivering the full panopoly of their software recovery
mechanisms to OEM customers but they won't and they can't right now because
they aren't.

Good luck,

CH
 
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Guest

This sort of thing has happened to me every time I have installed the 32 bit
version. Each time it has been after a driver upgrade - with windows update
for an Nforce driver, and with Creative driver for audigy. I have done about
six installations now, and each time, after a new installation (oh, with
Avast once) this has happened.

I had the 64 bit version installed, and it didn't do this, even after the
updates, antivirus software, etc. Too bad the audigy drivers don't work in
the 64 bit version.....
 
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Intel Inside

"I had the 64 bit version installed, and it didn't do this"
Is it possible that your initial installation disk was corrupted? (and
therefore the fact that the '64 bit' version worked is incidental).
 
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Guest

I already thought of that and have downloaded three separate images.... They
all did it.

I saw on another thread that Acronis disk director creates a MFT that is
very likely incompatible with Vista.

I am going to approach this angle and see what happens...

Thanks for the reply...
 

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