Expired certificates in the clickonce manifest.

[Guest]

My VB apps written in Visual Studio 2005 are starting to have their
certificate expiration date older than the current date. If I create or use a
newer certificate I have to uninstall the app and reinstall. Is there a way
to fix an expired certificate without uninstalling?

 

[Linda Liu [MSFT]]

Hi,

By default, a certificate issued by a Certificate Authorities(CA) is only
valid for 12 months. Typically, certificate expiration would mean that you
need to resign your ClickOnce application every 12 months. Authenticode
mitigates the need for this with support for time-stamping.

The Timestamp Server URL feature allows you to supply a service that will
time stamp your manifest during the publishing process.

When you sign a ClickOnce deployment using a certificate, ClickOnce records
the date and time of the signing and embeds it in the deployment's digital
signature. So long as the deployment was signed when the certificate was
still valid, ClickOnce will allow the application to run even if the
certificate has since expired.

As for the time stamp service, Verisign, Inc. is an example of a CA that
provides this kind of service. You may use the following Timestamp server
URL:

http://timestamp.verisign.com/scripts/timstamp.dll

Alternatively, you may create a command-line assembly that updates the
certificate. A KB article has provided sample code for this. You may read
the KB article from the link below:

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/925521

Hope this helps.

Sincerely,
Linda Liu
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[Guest]

It took me several attempts but I got the C++ update to work.

Thanks for your help....

Wally

 

[Linda Liu [MSFT]]

Hi Wally,

Thank you for your feedback on how you solved the problem by yourself.

By the C++ update you have mentioned, do you mean Microsoft Visual C++ 2005
SP1?


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[Guest]

Hi Linda,

No. Sorry I was referring to the Microsoft Visual C++ Win32 console
application called RenewCert from the
support.microsoft.com/default.aspx/kb/925521 (workaround method 2). Is there
a fix or correction in the SP1 for Visual Studio 2005?

Thanks....

Wally

 

[Linda Liu [MSFT]]

Hi Wally,

Sorry for my delayed reply.

No, Visual Studio 2005 Service Pack 1 doesn't contain the fix of this
problem. For a complete list of bug that are fixed in Visual Studio 2005
Service Pack 1,you may refer to the following article:

'List of bugs that are fixed in Visual Studio 2005 Service Pack 1'
http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=918526

Hope this helps.

Sincerely,
Linda Liu
Microsoft Online Community Support

 

[Guest]

Hi,

I have a question with regard to the KnowledgeBase solution:
The solution with the RenewCert is probably only possible with certificates
that you created yourself and not with certificates issued by a Certifcate
Authority, isn't it?

So the problem that you cannot update applications anymore after such a CA
certificate expired remains - you can start them (if they are timestamped)
but you cannot update because you cannot sign with an expired certificate and
the new certificate will have a different keypair.

Is there another way of doing that or are there plans to solve this problem
- e.g. by providing some kind of "handover" manifest where you can connect
the expiring certificate with the new one?

Best regards,

Stefanie

 

[Linda Liu [MSFT]]

Hi Stefanie,

Yes. The KB article in the linke 'http://support.microsoft.com/kb/925521'
addresses how to renew a certificate created by ourselves.

About the certificate issue by a CA, you may use the time-stamping method.

The Timestamp Server URL feature allows you to supply a service that will
time stamp your manifest during the publishing process.

When you sign a ClickOnce deployment using a certificate, ClickOnce records
the date and time of the signing and embeds it in the deployment's digital
signature. So long as the deployment was signed when the certificate was
still valid, ClickOnce will allow the application to run even if the
certificate has since expired.

As for the time stamp service, Verisign, Inc. is an example of a CA that
provides this kind of service. You may use the following Timestamp server
URL:

http://timestamp.verisign.com/scripts/timstamp.dll

Hope this helps.

Sincerely,
Linda Liu
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[Guest]

Hi Linda,

About the certificate issue by a CA, you may use the time-stamping method.

The Timestamp Server URL feature allows you to supply a service that will
time stamp your manifest during the publishing process.

When you sign a ClickOnce deployment using a certificate, ClickOnce records
the date and time of the signing and embeds it in the deployment's digital
signature. So long as the deployment was signed when the certificate was
still valid, ClickOnce will allow the application to run even if the
certificate has since expired.

Yes, that is right, but there is one use case that is not covered by that
scenario and that is the one my question is about:

If you need to deploy an update _after_ the certificate is expired, you have
a problem because you cannot sign the new deployment package with the old
certificate. So I think there should be a way to update the certificate with
the replacement. Otherwise updates via ClickOnce are limited by the
expiration date of the certificate.

Best regards,

Stefanie

 

[Linda Liu [MSFT]]

Hi Stefanie,

Thank you for your prompt response.

As for signing the new deployment package with the old expired certificate,
it is a question for the issuing certificate authority.

For example here is the link to VeriSign's code signing certificate renewal
page.
https://securitycenter.verisign.com/celp/enroll/outsideSearch?application_lo
cale=VRSN_US&originator=VeriSign:CELP

They should provide you with a new or updated certificate file, then in
Visual Studio you need to use the new file on the Signing page.

Hope this helps.

Sincerely,
Linda Liu
Microsoft Online Community Support

 

[Linda Liu [MSFT]]

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[Guest]

Hi Linda,

I tried to find out more about renewing certificates and what I found out
was that none of the Certificate Authorities I asked is able to renew a
certificate with the same keypair - that means the keypair will most probably
be exchanged whenever a certificate is renewed.
This means that, at the moment, when the certificate expires, it is not
possible to publish updates for a given application after the expiration date
(at least that is the conclusion I come to). This is very inconvenient since
it dictates the end of updates with the expiration of the certificate.

Best regards,

Stefanie

 

[Linda Liu [MSFT]]

Hi Stefanie,

Thank you for your feedback.

I understand your concern.

It is the basic feature of ClickOnce to sign the ClickOnce deployments by
using a digital certificate. However, if the certificate expires, we cannot
use this certificate to sign the newer version of this ClickOnce
applicaiton.

If the certificate is made by ourselves, we could use the method 2 the KB
article (http://support.microsoft.com/kb/925521) introduces to renew this
certificate. However, if the certificate is issued by a CA, there's no
other way except that the related CA can provide such a 'renew' service.

Nevertheless, we have another choice, i.e. uninstall the ClickOnce
application signed with the expired certificate and install the updated
ClickOnce application that uses the new certificate.

Sincerely,
Linda Liu
Microsoft Online Community Support

 

[Guest]

Hi Linda,

Thank you very much for your reply. I really hope that the Certificate
Authorities are going to realize that there is a need for that service,
because otherwise I'm afraid that ClickOnce won't be used very often or only
by companies who can issue their own certificates. Updates are often a very
important part of requirement specifications and I don't think that sending
out a completely new deployment package is going to meet that requirement.

Best regards,

Stefanie

 

[Linda Liu [MSFT]]

Hi Stefanie,

Thank you for your quickly response.

Updates are often a very important part of requirement specifications and

I don't think that sending out a completely new deployment package is going
to meet that requirement.

In my opinion, a ClickOnce update is a completely new deployment package
that has a newer version. When upgrading via ClickOnce, the previous
version is removed first and then the new version of application is
installed.

When the certificate expires, we can uninstall the previous version of
application manually first and install the new version. It's a little
trivial, but endurable. Do you agree with me?

Sincerely,
Linda Liu
Microsoft Online Community Support

 

[Linda Liu [MSFT]]

Hi Stefanie,

Have you seen my latest reply?

If you have any concerns, please feel free to let me know. In addition, you
can submit a suggestion or feedback on this issue in the Microsoft
connection web site:

http://connect.microsoft.com/

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Linda Liu
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[Guest]

Hi Linda,

sorry I didn't answer immediately. Actually I think that telling a customer
to uninstall and then install the application again looks a little
unprofessional, I think. But it seems that there is currently no other way,
so I think we have to live with that.

Best regards,

Stefanie

 

[Walter Wang [MSFT]]

Hi Stefanie,

Thanks for your update.

Linda has discussed with me about your question (also after consulting your
question within our internal discussion list). We understand that your
current CA cannot provide certificates renew services for you, therefore
your Clickonce application's update scenario is not working well since it
will require your end-user to uninstall previous package and re-install.
You're wondering if there's any other workaround from the Visual Studio
side to make it work. I hope I haven't misunderstood your question.

We tried all our possible resources at hand to consult and research on this
issue, it seems we don't have such workaround at current moment. However,
our product group is very willing to get all kinds of feedback to improve
our products. Your feedback is very important for us. Linda and I will make
sure your opinion about our products are correctly recorded and forwarded
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