Epson R300 or Canon IP4000

[SleeperMan]

Just because two manufacturers both use dye based inks it does not
mean anything about their lightfastness. See
http://www.wilhelm-research.com/4x6/4x6_permanence_preview.html for
examples of dye-based prints rated from 18 years to 115 years
depending on ink and paper differences.

Regards,
Bob Headrick, not speaking for my employer HP

Well...
how do you know that this will actually happen in real world?
Secondly, they only test one canon series on god know which paper (i think
we both agree that paper is as important as ink). Canon do have silver
halide-based paper, you know.
Also all manufacturers state that all prints should be kept in album or if
in frame, behind a glass to prevent UV light damage and not in direct
sunlight. If someone respects those recomendations, i bet that times will
change a lot. Not all people print a photo and then put it on direct
sunlight for whole day long.
BTW...i still hate Epson...until proven otherwise... )

 

[William Bell]

Well...
how do you know that this will actually happen in real world?
Secondly, they only test one canon series on god know which paper (i think
we both agree that paper is as important as ink). Canon do have silver
halide-based paper, you know.
Also all manufacturers state that all prints should be kept in album or if
in frame, behind a glass to prevent UV light damage and not in direct
sunlight. If someone respects those recomendations, i bet that times will
change a lot. Not all people print a photo and then put it on direct
sunlight for whole day long.
BTW...i still hate Epson...until proven otherwise... )

May be you need a Brain transplant as you just can't see to reason or are you
just Dumb or may be a Teenager..?

 

[Tim]

This is NOT true at all. In fact I know from my own experience, with my
Canon S820 ink (which is the same ink used in the IP4000), the ink did NOT
smudge or even smear when I wiped it with a wet cloth.

Yet guess what, my brothers Epson photo that I happened to get some
sprinkles of water on accidently, wiped the ink right off like a chalk
board. (which is the reason I tried the water on my own photos). I'm not
sure which model of Epson he has though, but he prints cd's in it.

 

[Tim]

From my memory only Canon's black is water proof (but not photo black
one). That part is true.
I also know (i did write it) about that famous Epson ink which should be
longer lasting, but - didn't try myself though - i've heard that it ain't
much better than others...just commercial stuff mainly... also a lot of
people refill, and after that this longevity thing is excactly the same.

Actually its NOT true. The Canon ink IS water resistant. Try it on a test
photo. Or at least it didn't rub off at all for me with wiping the photo
with a wet rag (on a color photo, not black and white). I'm referring to
the BCI-6 ink.

Unlike my brothers Epson photo which wiped the picture clean off the paper.

 

[William Bell]

Actually its NOT true. The Canon ink IS water resistant. Try it on a test
photo. Or at least it didn't rub off at all for me with wiping the photo
with a wet rag (on a color photo, not black and white). I'm referring to
the BCI-6 ink.

Unlike my brothers Epson photo which wiped the picture clean off the paper.

The Canons use Water Based Inks, as they have to for the Bubble to work..

 

[SleeperMan]

Actually its NOT true. The Canon ink IS water resistant. Try it on
a test photo. Or at least it didn't rub off at all for me with
wiping the photo with a wet rag (on a color photo, not black and
white). I'm referring to the BCI-6 ink.

AHA!
even better... ))

 

[SleeperMan]

May be you need a Brain transplant as you just can't see to reason
or are you just Dumb or may be a Teenager..?

Weeeelllll,
if we exchange our brains, then i'd be Epson lover and you'd be Epson hater,
so, what would we gain here?

BTW...if i say i hate Epson, i don't say that it's photos doesn't last
longer...it's just noone can really tell that one photo will last 104(!!!)
years...if anyone says that it's just ****ing idiot. Saying "around 100
years" or similar would be of some reason (yet still stupid, as you can't
really compare lab results with real life), but exactly 104 (or i bet they
even stated months and days) is just stupid. I mean, please!!! what...in a
new year of 105 those photos will just fade overnight or what?
In any case, i don't bloddy care what will happen in 104 years, in fact, i
don't even care what will happen after 1 or 2 years, i just want my photos
to look best NOW, if i will want to have best looking photo after 10 or 20
years, considering speed of developing printers, whole system, inks, paper
etc....will be SO MUCH different then we'll print new photos anyway...jusr
compare photo from ip4000 and photo from 2 years old Canon which cost about
the same as today ip4000 (or you better compare Epson's). You could WALK on
the moon bu t still wouldn' t get even NEAR the similar quality if that 2
year old printer didn't cost a fortune at that day...

 

[measekite]

I have a Canon IP4000 and I think it is great. However, if you wipe it
with a wet cloth or your finger it will smudge. Also a few drops of
sweat dribbled on the photo and left a water spot.

The answer to protect the photo is to spray it with Krylon. However,
even the glossy Krylon (it comes glossy or matte) dulls down the finish
but you have a choice. You can at least mount them and hang them on a
wall and eliminate reflective glass over your print.

 

[Ron Cohen]

For dye based inks such as used in BCI-6 tanks, water resistance depends
upon the type of paper being used. Prints made on microporous paper ( a.ka.
instant dry) can be submerged in water immediately after printing without
damage. Red River Ultra Pro and Office Depot Premium High Gloss are examples
of microporous papers. Prints made on paper with a swellable polymer
coating, such as Kodak Ultima, can be damaged with the slightest moisture.
Excessive moisture such as running water or soaking will completely wash
away the surface coating and the ink. There are other arguments about mp vs.
sp paper such as gas fading and print longevity which tend to favor
swellable polymer but when it comes to moisture resistance, microporous wins
hands down.

 

[SleeperMan]

For dye based inks such as used in BCI-6 tanks, water resistance
depends upon the type of paper being used. Prints made on microporous
paper ( a.ka. instant dry) can be submerged in water immediately
after printing without damage. Red River Ultra Pro and Office Depot
Premium High Gloss are examples of microporous papers. Prints made on
paper with a swellable polymer coating, such as Kodak Ultima, can be
damaged with the slightest moisture. Excessive moisture such as
running water or soaking will completely wash away the surface
coating and the ink. There are other arguments about mp vs. sp paper
such as gas fading and print longevity which tend to favor swellable
polymer but when it comes to moisture resistance, microporous wins
hands down.

i wonder in which group canon's pp101 (best available) falls...
i do have some photos, but i don't want to damage them by testing...