Elephant Boy Computers - top spammer

[Wally]

"Usenet, not a Microsoft "Forum""
You are not entirely correct.
Many post here directly from the Microsoft servers and others from
Microsoft forums depending on the specific newsgroup.
the fact these newsgroups are propagated beyond Microsoft is another
issue and not really relevant.
Those posting from Microsoft newsgroups or forums are bound to follow
the rules set up by Microsoft not rules dictated by you, me or anyone
else.

Okay, please show me the Microsoft "Rules" regarding top-posting,
delimiters and the proper way to followup a post from somebody who
insists upon doing so.

While you're looking up the Microsoft Posting Handbook, let me
know the chapter on MVP top-posting.

BTW, how do you think this group got on Usenet ?

 

[Jupiter Jones [MVP]]

You are also free to continue in the ASSUMPTIONS of your last post,
there are more than one.
Remember what it means to ASSUME.

I guess your understanding of "condescending and quite arrogant" is
suggesting you not have others comply with your own desires.
Your post can as easily be applied to you.
You should really read it.

However you are rapidly heading the direction of insults as shown in
the 2nd line of your post.
And at that point nothing else of value is possible.

Perhaps it is time for you to deal with real issues as suggested by
the title of the newsgroup instead of trivial matters such as posting
styles which are not relevant to these newsgroups.

Bye

 

[Mike Hall - MVP]

Wally, I read the posts in order. It is much easier to read one post to
another than to have to scroll down a whole bunch of badly edited previous
messages. Many bottom posters are unable to determine who said what
regardless of whether the original posts were top or bottom.

Top posting eliminates this problem. Welcome to the NEW Usenet..

 

[Wally]

Obviously, you have no understanding of delimiters or how they work.
Rather than take the time to learn, you obfuscate and end up
taking the position of having your feelings hurt.

Please accept my apology, as I did not mean to hurt your feelings.

My intention was to assist you in learning about Usenet.

Again, I'm sorry I upset you, as that was not my intention.

 

[Wally]

Wally, I read the posts in order. It is much easier to read one post to
another than to have to scroll down a whole bunch of badly edited previous
messages. Many bottom posters are unable to determine who said what
regardless of whether the original posts were top or bottom.

Top posting eliminates this problem. Welcome to the NEW Usenet..

And when I reply, this is all there is to reply to.

It's not the "NEW usenet", it's arrogant posters.

 

[Jupiter Jones [MVP]]

You need to read the thread again.
Apparently you missed much.

The reference to your using HTML was compared with your complaints of
signatures.
Find something in those same rules you just referenced that suggest
signatures are wrong.
You can not, because it is not there.
It seems etiquette that suits you is to be followed by everyone while
those that do not suit you can be ignored by you.
The obvious example of common etiquette to not use HTML in text
newsgroups partially as a courtesy to those paying for their download
usage.
But you choose to disregard that while complaining about signatures
which are acceptable to almost everyone except you.
You pick and choose what you like and expect others to comply with
your desires.
It doesn't work that way.

--
Jupiter Jones [MVP]
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar



read the microsoft news rules.
HTML is and always has been welcome.

and you call your self an mvp.




(e-mail address removed)

 

[Jupiter Jones [MVP]]

"show me the Microsoft "Rules" regarding top-posting"
There is nothing since BOTH top and bottom are fully acceptable.

"the chapter on MVP top-posting."
Obviously there is no such chapter since there is no such book.
However the same rules that apply to you apply to me, no more and no
less.

"Microsoft Posting Handbook"
There is no such thing and you know it.
This is about as close as it gets:
http://www.microsoft.com/communities/conduct/default.mspx

"BTW, how do you think this group got on Usenet ?"
Again, not relevant.
Those posting through Microsoft servers have no obligation other than
what Microsoft has already asked.

 

[Jupiter Jones [MVP]]

"I'm sorry I upset you"
Please stop ASSUMING, as before you are simply WRONG.
You should know what it means to ASSUME and the pitfalls that go with
ASSUMING.
If by some slim chance you are not assuming, you are posturing, and
that is just a bad.

 

[Mike Hall - MVP]

Wally

That was all I wrote.. as for you being arrogant, I wouldn't have gone that
far exactly..

 

[he]

Agree - smart and helpful.
I find the *SPAM* warnings to be annoying, but I guess after seeing this
discussion that maybe there are those that can't identify spam for
themselves. I can just filter out the subjects ending with *SPAM* and
leave her useful posts, so I won't complain.
Maybe it would be better if the spam warnings were just the subject line
on an empty post? After all, if the intention is to have people avoid
reading the post, why have anything in there at all?

 

[Jupiter Jones [MVP]]

"Maybe it would be better if the spam warnings were just the subject
line"
That seems like a good idea.
But sometimes a change in the subject is seen by some newsreaders as
the start of a new thread and not a continuation of the old.
There probably is no good solution while spammers continue to do what
they do, spam us all.

 

[Peter Foldes]

Which newsreader are you using. Nothing wrong with word wrap here

 

[Daave]

Seems like I read what I was expecting ...instead of what was
written.It sux getting old! Avoid it at all costs.

I've been trying to. So, far it hasn't worked too well.

Still, better than the alternative, eh?

 

[he]

She is already changing the subject line by adding " - *SPAM*"
(which appears to be working)

I feel it is best to just ignore the spammers - any form of response
seems to just encourage them.

 

[Daave]

Which newsreader are you using. Nothing wrong with word wrap here

Yes, there is. I believe it is because you are using Quoted-Printable,
which presumably negates word-wrap settings.

By the way, I'm using Outlook Express (but for yucks, I tried Xnews,
too). This is how to enable word wrap properly:

Tools | Options | Message Format: Uuencode

 

[Terry R.]

On 12/14/2007 4:55 PM On a whim, Jupiter Jones [MVP] pounded out on the
keyboard

"I use Agent"
Irrelevant.

You are free to deal with it how you want.
What you are not free to do is insist others comply with your desires.
Others have the same choice.
You have many options depending on your news reader.
You deal with it, and that means within the confines of your own
computer system.

Which means you missed the whole point. It's not about "our desires",
but about what is a standard, which MS has clearly stepped away from.

--
Terry R.

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Delete NOSPAM from the email address after clicking Reply.

 

[Terry R.]

On 12/14/2007 4:59 PM On a whim, Jupiter Jones [MVP] pounded out on the
keyboard

"Usenet, not a Microsoft "Forum""
You are not entirely correct.
Many post here directly from the Microsoft servers and others from
Microsoft forums depending on the specific newsgroup.
the fact these newsgroups are propagated beyond Microsoft is another
issue and not really relevant.
Those posting from Microsoft newsgroups or forums are bound to follow
the rules set up by Microsoft not rules dictated by you, me or anyone
else.

And MS condones the use of top posting and a delimiter which wipes out
all previous communication? Please direct me to where their etiquette
rules point that out.

--
Terry R.

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[Terry R.]

On 12/14/2007 6:22 PM On a whim, Jupiter Jones [MVP] pounded out on the
keyboard

"show me the Microsoft "Rules" regarding top-posting"
There is nothing since BOTH top and bottom are fully acceptable.

Both may be acceptable, but PLEASE direct me to where a delimiter is
supposed to be used when top posting.

"the chapter on MVP top-posting."
Obviously there is no such chapter since there is no such book.
However the same rules that apply to you apply to me, no more and no
less.

And none of them discuss top posting with a delimiter.

"Microsoft Posting Handbook"
There is no such thing and you know it.
This is about as close as it gets:
http://www.microsoft.com/communities/conduct/default.mspx

"BTW, how do you think this group got on Usenet ?"
Again, not relevant.
Those posting through Microsoft servers have no obligation other than
what Microsoft has already asked.

And when does an answer posted shouldn't have the question before it?
--
Terry R.

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[Terry R.]

On 12/14/2007 6:33 PM On a whim, Jupiter Jones [MVP] pounded out on the
keyboard

"I'm sorry I upset you"
Please stop ASSUMING, as before you are simply WRONG.
You should know what it means to ASSUME and the pitfalls that go with
ASSUMING.
If by some slim chance you are not assuming, you are posturing, and
that is just a bad.

I "assume" you know nothing about delimiters and how they are used in
posting. And I am NOT wrong by your answers. You choose to continue in a
manner that is not accepted by most newsgroups, just because you use a
faulty news client.

--
Terry R.

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[Terry R.]

On 12/14/2007 5:54 PM On a whim, Mike Hall - MVP pounded out on the keyboard

Wally, I read the posts in order. It is much easier to read one post to
another than to have to scroll down a whole bunch of badly edited previous
messages. Many bottom posters are unable to determine who said what
regardless of whether the original posts were top or bottom.

Top posting eliminates this problem. Welcome to the NEW Usenet..

I think you mean the Microsoft Usenet. Nothing new Mike. It's been
wrong all along.

--
Terry R.

***Reply Note***
Anti-spam measures are included in my email address.
Delete NOSPAM from the email address after clicking Reply.