EIDE (Enhanced IDE) vs IDE

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kony

Kony, Kony, Kony. You posted the same argument twice on the same day
when you know I've been filtering you for months. That wreaks of
desperation.

What are you smoking?
I read your replies same as other replies. I already knew
you felt you were a special case, but being a special case
is not an exemption from expectation that when you post
something, others might read it.


Whose fudging what exactly? I'll shit myself if he finds a BIOS
update that fully supports an UATA 40gig drive.


Ok, now the other extensions, overgeneralizations, and then
there's those drives that I actually have sitting in front
of me that DO support ATA33.
http://tinyurl.com/ndo75

So are there no drives 2GB that support ATA33? Hmm.


I don't remember when exactly in 1997 it was but AFAIK there were no
Pentium Classic machines shipping with ATA33.

Since the typical Pentium Classic chipset wasn't TX, that is
usually true, that they didn't have ATA33. That was no
prevention from anyone selling Classic CPU on a TX board
though, and such things did happen as the CPUs depreciated
far more than boards, made for cheaper systems.

I seem to remember it
being closer to 1998 that tangible U33 products became common. And if
we're comparing a machine from early 1996 to sometime limited arrival
of ATA33 sometime in 1997 the comparison can be over a year.

Of course, the more time that had passed the more common
ATA33 was.


So why are you wasting your breath here?

I wasn't the one who initially mentioned adding ATA33
through a bios update. You brought up that aspect.
 
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Curious George

Pathetic. I guess some got in your eye so you can't see there's egg
on your face, not an omelet on your plate.

When you have a clue about what's on topic i.e. 1996 Pavillions or
similar, 2 gig drive models in total, etc. they'll be something to
talk about here. Your baits & ignorant distractions are boring. Yawn.
 
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Curious George

I am not like some, I have not owned very many puters. My first was in
98. It had win98. Pentium II 450.

Sounds like a relatively expensive box mid 98 or possibly later.
It was ATA100. Not 66, not 33. It

That doesn't seem possible considering when the ATA/ATAPI6 was being
worked on & ratified.
doesn't seem hard for me to believe that 33 was out just 2 years
earlier. My system, could only recognize something in the 63GB range.
To overcome that limitaion, I had to use a PCI card that came with my
120GB HD.

I only offer a timeline. I wish the best for David.

Slick Willie

unfortunately, even if that is true it does not help him, and may only
confuse him. I know he will get that 40 gig drive working, there are
several possibilities. I only hope he hasn't been given false hope,
and confused by testimonials of much newer products, that wastes his
time.
 
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Curious George

Ok, now the other extensions, overgeneralizations, and then

Pathetic. Still waiting for a specific 1996 example from you.
there's those drives that I actually have sitting in front
of me that DO support ATA33.
http://tinyurl.com/ndo75

Irrelevant to a 1996 Pavillion or the distribution of ATA33 over all 2
gig drives.
So are there no drives 2GB that support ATA33? Hmm.

Nobody said NO drives. Only "The typical 2GB drive was split fairly"
is wrong. That link proves nothing. It only address a particular
late model 2giger. You're shell game isn't working newbie.
Since the typical Pentium Classic chipset wasn't TX, that is
usually true, that they didn't have ATA33. That was no
prevention from anyone selling Classic CPU on a TX board
though, and such things did happen as the CPUs depreciated
far more than boards, made for cheaper systems.

Not in 1996. All that egg on your face is blinding you so you can't
keep your eye on the ball.
Of course, the more time that had passed the more common
ATA33 was.

Which is why you need to get some perspective on the ranges for which
these items were commonplace in retail venues. Googling for when
things were initially announced for released doesn't help you; it's
irrelevant to his Pavillion.
I wasn't the one who initially mentioned adding ATA33
through a bios update. You brought up that aspect.

And you're continually trying to play this shell game rather than
address the topic at hand. We're still waiting for examples of 1996
products similar to David's situation. Countering my assessment of
subsequent development/support of 1996 machines by citing what came
out years later and how they were supported in a confused, fast &
loose manner, is irrelevant.
 
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kony

Pathetic. I guess some got in your eye so you can't see there's egg
on your face, not an omelet on your plate.

When you have a clue about what's on topic i.e. 1996 Pavillions or
similar, 2 gig drive models in total, etc. they'll be something to
talk about here. Your baits & ignorant distractions are boring. Yawn.

Have a nice day.
 
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kony

Countering my assessment of
subsequent development/support of 1996 machines by citing what came
out years later and how they were supported in a confused, fast &
loose manner, is irrelevant.


That's just it, these are not things that "came out years
later". Apparently all you've shown is that technology
always limits you because you just assume something can't be
done. Fine by me.
 
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kony

unfortunately, even if that is true it does not help him, and may only
confuse him. I know he will get that 40 gig drive working, there are
several possibilities. I only hope he hasn't been given false hope,
and confused by testimonials of much newer products, that wastes his
time.


There's not much false hope to have. Situation is same as
always, buy the drive one wants and that is supported by the
OS, (in cases of Win9x or older) and if it won't work, throw
a PCI ATA133 card in, an additional $15. However, it's a
bit pointless to choose a 40GB drive if this is going to be
the route taken, so IF he's going to buy a very small drive
today it would only make sense in the context of finding out
exactly what his board would support, not through listening
to your overgeneralized speculations but actually checking.

If there is no data available, again there is no reason to
think "buy a 40GB HDD", rather than planning to need the PCI
IDE card and then having a larger, faster drive. 120GB
drives have been in US weekend papers for $40 after rebate
or less, making it of no significance how much space went
unused (if he doesn't want large #s of 2GB partitions in the
case of FAT16), only that it was a new faster model.
 
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Curious George

That's just it, these are not things that "came out years
later". Apparently all you've shown is that technology
always limits you because you just assume something can't be
done. Fine by me.

There's no need to be such a twit. If there's one thing that's
obvious from this date dropping pissing match it's just how dramatic
and quickly advances were made in this time period. It has been my
position that manufacturers, at this time, provided very limited
further development/upgrade/support to ensure upward compatibility of
1+ yr old computers. Products that were just coming out in 1997-1998
are irrelevant to what was on the streets in 1996, and how those 1996
products' OEMs supported upward compatibility in a very fast moving &
competitive environment.

Let's assume David doesn't care about neutering the upgrade disk's max
bus capabilities. Then the upgrade target here is the 40gig drive and
the 65,536 Cylinder boundary both of which came out around or after
these 1996 machines were already slated EOL. The next best target is
the 7.88 GiB / 8.46 GB Barrier. While this looks promising, because
of the timeframe, the reality is such BIOS updates almost never
happened (never saw even 1 for a 1996 P133). When you're ready to
seriously talk about 1996 machines, or David's Pavillion in
particular, and the support & support philosophies that actually took
place in the 90's concerning these 1996 machines we're all listening.

Have a nice day.
 
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Curious George

There's not much false hope to have. Situation is same as
always, buy the drive one wants and that is supported by the
OS, (in cases of Win9x or older) and if it won't work, throw
a PCI ATA133 card in, an additional $15. However, it's a
bit pointless to choose a 40GB drive if this is going to be
the route taken, so IF he's going to buy a very small drive

You're assuming too much. For all we know it's free after rebate from
his ISP.
today it would only make sense in the context of finding out
exactly what his board would support, not through listening
to your overgeneralized speculations but actually checking.

And I know what my money's on when he finishes his research.
If there is no data available, again there is no reason to
think "buy a 40GB HDD", rather than planning to need the PCI
IDE card and then having a larger, faster drive. 120GB

thank you for further supporting my position & initial recommendation.
drives have been in US weekend papers for $40 after rebate
or less, making it of no significance how much space went
unused (if he doesn't want large #s of 2GB partitions in the
case of FAT16), only that it was a new faster model.

It's far more productive & helpful to David to first hear from him
what he needs, thinks he wants, want's to spend, and has as far as an
OS. Although it is reasonable to anticipate that he would not want to
deal with a 40 or 120 gig drive sliced in 2GB Fat16 partitions.
 
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kony

You're assuming too much. For all we know it's free after rebate from
his ISP.

Perhaps, or for all we know it isn't...

And I know what my money's on when he finishes his research.

Ah, but then you miss the whole point, which wasn't to spend
a dozen minutes back and forth in debate, nor reading the
debate, but to "just do it", in the first place. Educated
guesses should always be a fallback position, AFTER the
attempt to find the data.
 
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Curious George

Perhaps, or for all we know it isn't...

Hence it's an _assumption_. Advice based on assumptions often has
little value as it is at high risk of being irrelevant.
Ah, but then you miss the whole point, which wasn't to spend
a dozen minutes back and forth in debate, nor reading the

Mr. Kettle. There was no need for a "debate." It lacked logical
engagement & was so repetitious that I'm not sure it constituted a
real "debate" anyway.
debate, but to "just do it", in the first place. Educated

No. "just do it" is a last resort for reasonable ppl and penny
pinchers who run 10 year old machines. "In the first place", he
should have an idea of what he may be getting into.

Reasonable ppl "just do it" as a last resort when they have nothing to
loose & can't get any or enough information. This person running a 10
yr old machine might not be willing to take the risks associated with
"just do it" & lack of planning. He might alter plans considerably
depending on whether or not it works or if it does so with certain
caveats. Instead of superimposing our needs & values, better to just
lay out what he's in for and let him respond more specifically. Either
that or ask him pointed questions or a give a simple RTFM blow off.
But pretending to help him while leading him down a blind path and
then when called out on the folly of it responding "look it up" is
just irresponsible, wasteful, & almost mean spirited.
guesses should always be a fallback position, AFTER the

It was more than that. It was correlative results of an established
track record of multiple makes & models of identical platform selling
in retail venues in the exact same year.
attempt to find the data.

But none's advising him against looking it up or contacting HP.

It's reasonable to attempt to ascertain what one is getting into and
the likelihood of success or failure. That's what the OP was doing by
running this question by the group. Just telling the OP - look it up
and/or try it is worthless. He can do that on his own & doesn't need
to ask here. Telling him from experience what he is almost assured of
getting into for BIOS, controller performance, & filesystem support is
actually answering his question (will it work?) rather than a blow off
that pretends to be helpful. Granted it isn't the absolute definitive
answer, but it is a relevant & useful answer nonetheless.

Fact is it's a 10 year old computer. The web support is spotty (and
indicates max support of 2 gigs). If he calls tech support they
probably won't know and/or will charge an arm & a leg to answer. Their
answer might not be accurate; support info tends to get jumbled over
time for unsupported products. But being prepared with correlative
experiences is useful when it is possible he won't get direct or
accurate information when looking it up. If he's penny pinching with
a 10 year old computer and a long obsolete drive upgrade, the last
thing he should be doing is "just try it" and fix or pay for possible
upgrades as he goes. That's how you run up a higher bill than
expected and may even end up with something undesirable.

And with that the horse is officially a bloody pulp.

Have a nice day.
 
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Timothy Daniels

kony said:
Ah, but then you miss the whole point, which wasn't to spend
a dozen minutes back and forth in debate, nor reading the
debate, but to "just do it", in the first place. Educated
guesses should always be a fallback position, AFTER the
attempt to find the data.


What a bunch of philosophical crap! Your goal is merely
argue any point and then to dodge and feint just to have the
last word and appear to win the debate. Gaawd, what useless
drivel you spew.

*TimDaniels*
 
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kony

What a bunch of philosophical crap! Your goal is merely
argue any point and then to dodge and feint just to have the
last word and appear to win the debate. Gaawd, what useless
drivel you spew.

*TimDaniels*


Ah, trollism at it's best. Good ole Tim seeks to discredit
my post because I dared reply to one of his other posts.
LOL. Grow up.
 

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