DVD Life

T

tk

What can i do to prolong the life of the DVD's i burn. They seem to
last a few months then can't be read in a DVD player. I have used LG,
Pioneer and Lite-On burners with a vaiety of discs both cheap and
expensive but always the same result. I'm interested if anyone else has
this problem and any way around it.
 
J

Joel

tk said:
What can i do to prolong the life of the DVD's i burn. They seem to
last a few months then can't be read in a DVD player. I have used LG,
Pioneer and Lite-On burners with a vaiety of discs both cheap and
expensive but always the same result. I'm interested if anyone else has
this problem and any way around it.

Cheap vs expensive disc sometime doesn't mean anything, or you can be able
to find plenty of stores who charge more for cheaper DVD. And I am so sorry
to disappoint you by not mentioning any name of DVD burner nor disc. But

1. Look at the surface of the disc to see which has more scratch resistance.
Or buy the disc that can handle more abuse

2. Chop off any finger that put dirty mark (food, grease etc.) or scratch
the disc beyond normal use.

And I hope you can find cheaper disc that would last you for years.
 
J

Joel

kony said:
LOL

You must really like DVDs...

I have been collecting foreign TV series for 5-6 years and have burnt few
thousands of DVDs. No I don't like DVDs (I don't watch because my eyes are
no longer good for movie or book) but I collect for family and friends.

For the past 1-2 months, I have been so busy with few thousands of photos
to have time for video, else I may burn between 10-15 almost daily average
(and system either converting or authoring DVD in background nearly 20+
hrs/day).

Photos? besides I some hundreds of thousands of photos stored on DVDs. For
each client, I have to have 1-2 backups, and give them one DVD of original
(retouched) photos and two copies of the presentation DVDs

Hahaha and the reason I didn't give the brand because I don't want the
life of my DVDs be shorten to few months <g>
 
C

Citizen Bob

What can i do to prolong the life of the DVD's i burn. They seem to
last a few months then can't be read in a DVD player. I have used LG,
Pioneer and Lite-On burners with a vaiety of discs both cheap and
expensive but always the same result. I'm interested if anyone else has
this problem and any way around it.

In order to understand what has happened and what to do about it we
need to divide the history of dye-based blank DVDs into two time
periods: 1) Before about a year ago; 2) From a year ago.

Before a year ago, several manufacturers based in Japan supplied
quality discs. But after a year ago, all but one of them started
outsourcing from startups in Taiwan and other non-Japanese countries
in order to meet the explosive demand.

Therefore past history is not indicative of current history. No matter
what anyone tells you about how great a particular brand was a year or
more ago, it does not mean a thing in the last year - with one
exception.

That exception is Taiyo Yuden. All the other manufacturers have been
selling what is basically cheap foreign (non-Japanese) crap on the
open market. One of the more notorious Taiwanese companies is CMC and
the crap they put out is the some of the worst of the entire mess.
Even such venerable names as FujiFilm, which used to tell TY discs,
are now forced to sell CMC crap because TY only sells directly
nowadays.

I realize that what I have just said is a huge generalization, and
there are some exceptions but they are still not as good as genuine TY
discs made only by TY in Japan. And here's the good news - the
wholesalers like rima.com sell genuine TY discs at an affordable price
nowadays, so there is no excuse for buying anything else.

Visit CDFreaks and find out why about 60% of those who participated in
a media quality survey spec TY, with Verbatim a distant second and
Ritek an even more distant third. Since the survey includes RW discs,
and TY doesn't make RW discs, and Verbatim is the best maker of RW
discs, it showed up on the radar.

The conclusion of all this is for you to buy only genuine TY discs in
+/-R and Mitsubishi Verbatim in +/-RW discs. Do not buy anything else
or you are participating in a crap shoot at best or using pure crap at
worst. Rima.com is consistently the best supplier but there are a
couple others like Meritline.com and SuperMediaStore.com. Meritline
was accused of selling fake TYs a while ago, so I always buy from Rima
since their prices are always the lowest.

Now we come to the DVD burner. The CDFreaks have a love affair with
the NEC product line. They also like the recent BenQ offerings
although they are beginning to find that they can fall apart early.
Some are diehard LiteOn people. They used to love Plextor but recently
it has fallen out of favor. I recommend the NEC units because they
have some very clever design features built in. And they are not
expensive like the Plextor.

Absolutely stay away from anything Sony makes. I despise that company
with a passion only reserved for the federal govt. They are a bunch of
dirty dealing crooked bastards who sell low-end OEM crap. You do not
have to buy their shit so don't do it. If you do, I guarantee you will
one day regret it. We had to throw away 100 discs that would not play
after 6 months because of that piece of shit Sony we had.

So, I recommend the NEC burner with TY 8x -R discs. Burn at 8x. I do
not like 16x because the CDFreak experts tell you to burn them at 12x
and the saving in burn time is not worth it cost wise. I also
recommend Verbatim 4x +RWs which I burn at 2.4x. BTW, don't listen to
that bullcrap of a thousand burns for RW discs. I and several others
on the DVD forums only get about 10 burns when using them in
standalone DVD recorders. The likely will last longer in a burner like
the NEC but the DVDRs standalones used in media center applications
must literally fry them half to death.

No flames please - these are my recommendations which I stand behind
from a lot of personal experience and even more expert opinions on the
major forums like CDFreaks, VideoHelp and others.
 
R

Rod Speed

In order to understand what has happened and what to do about it we
need to divide the history of dye-based blank DVDs into two time
periods: 1) Before about a year ago; 2) From a year ago.
Before a year ago, several manufacturers based in Japan supplied
quality discs. But after a year ago, all but one of them started
outsourcing from startups in Taiwan and other non-Japanese countries
in order to meet the explosive demand.
Therefore past history is not indicative of current history. No matter
what anyone tells you about how great a particular brand was a year or
more ago, it does not mean a thing in the last year - with one exception.
That exception is Taiyo Yuden. All the other manufacturers have been
selling what is basically cheap foreign (non-Japanese) crap on the
open market. One of the more notorious Taiwanese companies is CMC
and the crap they put out is the some of the worst of the entire mess.
Even such venerable names as FujiFilm, which used to tell TY discs,
are now forced to sell CMC crap because TY only sells directly nowadays.
I realize that what I have just said is a huge generalization, and
there are some exceptions but they are still not as good as genuine TY
discs made only by TY in Japan. And here's the good news - the
wholesalers like rima.com sell genuine TY discs at an affordable price
nowadays, so there is no excuse for buying anything else.
Visit CDFreaks and find out why about 60% of those who participated in
a media quality survey spec TY, with Verbatim a distant second and
Ritek an even more distant third. Since the survey includes RW discs,
and TY doesn't make RW discs, and Verbatim is the best maker of RW
discs, it showed up on the radar.

My ritek RWs have been fine for years now.
The conclusion of all this is for you to buy only genuine TY discs in
+/-R and Mitsubishi Verbatim in +/-RW discs. Do not buy anything else
or you are participating in a crap shoot at best or using pure crap at worst.

Mindless gross exaggeration.
Rima.com is consistently the best supplier but there are a
couple others like Meritline.com and SuperMediaStore.com.
Meritline was accused of selling fake TYs a while ago, so I
always buy from Rima since their prices are always the lowest.
Now we come to the DVD burner. The CDFreaks have a love affair
with the NEC product line. They also like the recent BenQ offerings
although they are beginning to find that they can fall apart early.
Some are diehard LiteOn people. They used to love Plextor but
recently it has fallen out of favor. I recommend the NEC units
because they have some very clever design features built in.
And they are not expensive like the Plextor.
Absolutely stay away from anything Sony makes. I despise that company
with a passion only reserved for the federal govt. They are a bunch of
dirty dealing crooked bastards who sell low-end OEM crap. You do not
have to buy their shit so don't do it. If you do, I guarantee you will
one day regret it. We had to throw away 100 discs that would not play
after 6 months because of that piece of shit Sony we had.
So, I recommend the NEC burner with TY 8x -R discs. Burn at 8x.
I do not like 16x because the CDFreak experts tell you to burn them
at 12x and the saving in burn time is not worth it cost wise. I also
recommend Verbatim 4x +RWs which I burn at 2.4x.

Bizarre how you do precisely what you howl about burn speed wise.
BTW, don't listen to that bullcrap of a thousand burns for RW discs.
I and several others on the DVD forums only get about 10 burns
when using them in standalone DVD recorders. The likely will last
longer in a burner like the NEC

Yep, mine do a lot better than that 10.
but the DVDRs standalones used in media center
applications must literally fry them half to death.
No flames please - these are my recommendations which I stand behind

You can stand anywhere you like. Pity about the massive holes in your claims.
from a lot of personal experience and even more expert opinions

Yours aint anything even remotely resembling anything like an 'expert opinion'
on the major forums like CDFreaks, VideoHelp and others.

They aint in anything like the agreement you are claiming for them.
 
K

Ken

Rod said:
My ritek RWs have been fine for years now.


Mindless gross exaggeration.





Bizarre how you do precisely what you howl about burn speed wise.


Yep, mine do a lot better than that 10.



You can stand anywhere you like. Pity about the massive holes in your claims.


Yours aint anything even remotely resembling anything like an 'expert opinion'


They aint in anything like the agreement you are claiming for them.
Does the thought of just stating your opinion and disagreeing with
someone ever cross your mind, rather than implying the poster is lying
or wrong??? The poster was stating what HE thought would help the
previous posters. HE did not say all other opinions were wrong as you
seem to ALWAYS do.

Now you might well have a lot to contribute to discussions, but I can
assure you that you do not know as much as you think you know!! If you
wish to contribute, please do so in a manner that appears to be from one
who wishes to help, rather than ridicule.
 
T

therover

Bob, that is the most detailed and one of the best posts I have seen on
Google Groups. Good advice that will help a lot of people.

I have to agree with everything that you have said, particularly
regarding the CMC crap that lasts a couple of months. The Verbatim
discs do seem to be a much better quality disc that most of the other
branded stuff that is around.

Have you ever tried Maxell DVD+/-R media. I believe that they
manufacture their own media in their own factories. I have been using
Maxell media for several years now and have not had any problems.

On the subject of DVD recorders I have to agree that the Sony DVD
recorders are amongst the worst out there. The LiteOn drives do not
seem to be much better (incidentally, some of the Sony OEM drives are
manufactured by LiteOn). Of all of the drives I have tried I have to
say that the NEC, LG and Pioneer drives are pretty good but the best
drives by far, in my opinion, are the Samsung drives, in particular
their latest 18x SerialATA drive, not that you would want to use it at
18x (8x is far more reliable). Take a look at a review of the drive
here:-

http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=36359
 
R

Rod Speed

Does the thought of just stating your opinion and disagreeing with someone ever cross your mind,
rather than implying the poster is lying or wrong???

It makes a lot more sense to point out the obvious
problems with silly crap like the above instead.
The poster was stating what HE thought would help the previous posters.

Doesnt mean it makes any sense at all tho with the bits I took a dump on.
HE did not say all other opinions were wrong as you seem to ALWAYS do.

Thanks for that completely superfluous proof of
what a terminal ****wit you have always been.
Now you might well have a lot to contribute to discussions, but I can
assure you that you do not know as much as you think you know!!

Thanks for that completely superfluous proof of
what a terminal ****wit you have always been.
If you wish to contribute, please do so in a manner that appears to be from one who wishes to
help, rather than ridicule.

Go and **** yourself.
 
C

Citizen Bob

Bob, that is the most detailed and one of the best posts I have seen on
Google Groups. Good advice that will help a lot of people.
I have to agree with everything that you have said, particularly
regarding the CMC crap that lasts a couple of months. The Verbatim
discs do seem to be a much better quality disc that most of the other
branded stuff that is around.

They are the best I can find for +/-RW, but the TY are better for
+/-R.
Have you ever tried Maxell DVD+/-R media. I believe that they
manufacture their own media in their own factories. I have been using
Maxell media for several years now and have not had any problems.

I tried Maxell once and lost them all after about a year. I did not
pay attention at the time to where they were made, but it was likely
Taiwan.
On the subject of DVD recorders I have to agree that the Sony DVD
recorders are amongst the worst out there. The LiteOn drives do not
seem to be much better (incidentally, some of the Sony OEM drives are
manufactured by LiteOn). Of all of the drives I have tried I have to
say that the NEC, LG and Pioneer drives are pretty good but the best
drives by far, in my opinion, are the Samsung drives, in particular
their latest 18x SerialATA drive, not that you would want to use it at
18x (8x is far more reliable). Take a look at a review of the drive
here:-

I will have a look, but I am really sold on NEC. I have had my 3540
for a long time and it still performs flawlessly for me. I put hack
firmware in it to defeat Riplock, but that is no longer necessary for
the newer 3550.

Be sure to check CDFreaks and VideoHelp at a minimum for comments
about the Samsung drive. I never rely on only one review. Because of
the law of large numbers, the average becomes manifest with enough
samples, so if you spend a few hours reading reviews the consensus
will emerge.
 
C

Citizen Bob

Now you might well have a lot to contribute to discussions, but I can
assure you that you do not know as much as you think you know!! If you
wish to contribute, please do so in a manner that appears to be from one
who wishes to help, rather than ridicule.

Poor Mr. Speed is an ambulatory psychotic. Best just ignore him for
his own good.
 

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