Do not validate your software

[Greg R]

Do not validate your software. If a lot of people validate
their software. Microsoft will be inclined to keep using that
program. Activation is enough to deal with. I seen so many
activation problems in a lot of groups. I would not be surprised to
see validation problems as well for legally bought computers or
software..

http://www.microsoft.com/genuine/default.mspx

http://www.microsoft.com/genuine/downloads/FAQ.aspx



Reason
1. It is inconvenient

2. It another step the consumer has to do. Just to prove his copy is
legal. Activation is supposed to do that.

3. Other sites couldn’t directly link to a download-like download.com

4. It will not stop piracy. It will actual increase piracy

5 People won’t be inclined to update. Including me

6. It will possible increase compromised systems.

7. It could cause small business some money that just use one or two
computers.



Updates like msn messenger, DirectX, Windows Media play are supposed
to be freeware. I would not call those freeware if Microsoft decides
to enforce the validation program. I would call it validation ware

Don’t get me wrong. I am against piracy. I also against
inconveniencing the consumer.



Greg R
P.S. Microsoft said they wanted feedback of this. Here it is.

 

[kurttrail]

Do not validate your software. If a lot of people validate
their software. Microsoft will be inclined to keep using that
program. Activation is enough to deal with. I seen so many
activation problems in a lot of groups. I would not be surprised to
see validation problems as well for legally bought computers or
software..

http://www.microsoft.com/genuine/default.mspx

http://www.microsoft.com/genuine/downloads/FAQ.aspx



Reason
1. It is inconvenient

2. It another step the consumer has to do. Just to prove his copy is
legal. Activation is supposed to do that.

3. Other sites couldn't directly link to a download-like download.com

4. It will not stop piracy. It will actual increase piracy

5 People won't be inclined to update. Including me

6. It will possible increase compromised systems.

7. It could cause small business some money that just use one or two
computers.



Updates like msn messenger, DirectX, Windows Media play are supposed
to be freeware. I would not call those freeware if Microsoft decides
to enforce the validation program. I would call it validation ware

Don't get me wrong. I am against piracy. I also against
inconveniencing the consumer.



Greg R
P.S. Microsoft said they wanted feedback of this. Here it is.

Just another reason to stick with Windows 2000, with an eventual move to
Linux. Thanks to the Nazis at MS!

--
Peace!
Kurt
Self-anointed Moderator
microscum.pubic.windowsexp.gonorrhea
http://microscum.com
"Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron!
"Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei!"

 

[Guest]

During this process, Microsoft installs an ActiveX
control on your computer and permanently stores
a "special download key" on your computer. My computer
is not a place for Microsoft to store things for free! I
am going to charge Microsoft a monthly storage fee.
Where do I send the invoice and to who's attention?

 

[Greg R]

During this process, Microsoft installs an ActiveX
control on your computer and permanently stores
a "special download key" on your computer. My computer
is not a place for Microsoft to store things for free! I
am going to charge Microsoft a monthly storage fee.
Where do I send the invoice and to who's attention?

Yeah, it does not help those who restore the computer once or twice a
year.

Greg R

 

[Bob I]

Send it to yourself, as it was you who agreed to the data exchange.

 

[kurttrail]

Send it to yourself, as it was you who agreed to the data exchange.

Moron, eventually MS will make it mandatory to get updates. All their
customers aren't to be trusted.

--
Peace!
Kurt
Self-anointed Moderator
microscum.pubic.windowsexp.gonorrhea
http://microscum.com
"Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron!
"Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei!"

 

[Bruce Chambers]

Greg R wrote:

Nothing worth reading

Take this off-topic drek to the political, religious, or advocacy
groups, where it _might_ be appropriate.

Spam report id 1243406701 sent to: (e-mail address removed)
/dev/null'ing report for postmaster#[email protected]

Spam report id 1243406705 sent to: (e-mail address removed)

--

Bruce Chambers

Help us help you:



You can have peace. Or you can have freedom. Don't ever count on
having
both at once. - RAH

 

[Lil' Dave]

..
Why is Windows so expensive?



A.
Microsoft does everything it can to offer the best possible value for
customers' software investments. We believe that the product's features and
functionality, along with continuous improvements, are more than enough to
justify its price.


"Features" will built-in holes to fix seems more accurate. Built-in job
security is more like it.

 

[Greg R]

Bruce how is this off topic? How is this spam?

You can just put me on your kill filter if you don't want to read my
post.

I resent you for reporting me to my isp. By the way. They don't have
newsgroups. What give you the right to report this as spam?

Now I got to explain to my isp, that I got a disability and don’t have
very good grammar.

I am not spamming. Microsoft said they wanted feedback. They didn’t
say how. My isp don’t have news servers. I am not spamming is
advertisement. I not advertising a product for sell. I expressing
my views on this subject. Now, I going to have to call & write the
isp and explaining. I not spamming.


Greg R

 

[CS]

Ignore Chambers. Anything he says is worthless anyway and don't worry
about his SPAM reports. Just place him in your kill filter and press
on.

 

[kurttrail]

Bruce how is this off topic? How is this spam?

You can just put me on your kill filter if you don't want to read my
post.

I resent you for reporting me to my isp. By the way. They don't have
newsgroups. What give you the right to report this as spam?

Now I got to explain to my isp, that I got a disability and don't have
very good grammar.

I am not spamming. Microsoft said they wanted feedback. They didn't
say how. My isp don't have news servers. I am not spamming is
advertisement. I not advertising a product for sell. I expressing
my views on this subject. Now, I going to have to call & write the
isp and explaining. I not spamming.

LOL! It is a very valid topic, since XP is one of only two MS OS's that MS
is asking END USERS to validate. Bruce is full of sh*t, and is one of the
least respected MS-MVPs ever to post to MS newsgroups. Just ignore him, and
don't bother with writing your ISP unless they contact you about it. ISPs
don't usually do anything with only ONE spam report from just ONE
sycophantic moron.

I've been using the same ISP since I started posting here almost 3 years
ago. And the LIES of MicroSycophants just gives my ISP a bunch of laughs at
their foolishness.

--
Peace!
Kurt
Self-anointed Moderator
microscum.pubic.windowsexp.gonorrhea
http://microscum.com
"Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron!
"Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei!"

 

[Robert Moir]

Do not validate your software. If a lot of people validate
their software. Microsoft will be inclined to keep using that
program. Activation is enough to deal with. I seen so many
activation problems in a lot of groups. I would not be surprised to
see validation problems as well for legally bought computers or
software.. [snip]

4. It will not stop piracy. It will actual increase piracy

5 People won't be inclined to update. Including me

6. It will possible increase compromised systems.

I'm personally not very impressed with validation at all, and I agree with
the reasons that i've snipped from your post for the sake of brevity.

I'd be interested in why you feel it will increase piracy and cause an
increase in compromised systems - I can think of one or two arguements in
those directions myself but they seem fairly weak to me.

Do you think people will be less inclined to update because you think that
they will be annoyed at the extra hassle, or do you think there is a problem
with the process here (I'm talking an actual problem with the process, not
how the process annoys you)?


--
--
Rob Moir, Microsoft MVP for servers & security
Website - http://www.robertmoir.co.uk
Virtual PC 2004 FAQ - http://www.robertmoir.co.uk/win/VirtualPC2004FAQ.html

Kazaa - Software update services for your Viruses and Spyware.

 

[kurttrail]

Do not validate your software. If a lot of people validate
their software. Microsoft will be inclined to keep using that
program. Activation is enough to deal with. I seen so many
activation problems in a lot of groups. I would not be surprised to
see validation problems as well for legally bought computers or
software.. [snip]

4. It will not stop piracy. It will actual increase piracy

5 People won't be inclined to update. Including me

6. It will possible increase compromised systems.

I'm personally not very impressed with validation at all, and I agree
with the reasons that i've snipped from your post for the sake of
brevity.

I'd be interested in why you feel it will increase piracy and cause an
increase in compromised systems - I can think of one or two
arguements in those directions myself but they seem fairly weak to me.

Do you think people will be less inclined to update because you think
that they will be annoyed at the extra hassle, or do you think there
is a problem with the process here (I'm talking an actual problem
with the process, not how the process annoys you)?


--

MS has a long history of it's validation crap catching people that aren't
pirates at all.

--
Peace!
Kurt
Self-anointed Moderator
microscum.pubic.windowsexp.gonorrhea
http://microscum.com
"Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron!
"Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei!"

 

[Greg R]

See Bruce a mvp partially agrees with me : )
Bruce my isp told me not to worry.


Robert see inline.

Do not validate your software. If a lot of people validate
their software. Microsoft will be inclined to keep using that
program. Activation is enough to deal with. I seen so many
activation problems in a lot of groups. I would not be surprised to
see validation problems as well for legally bought computers or
software.. [snip]

4. It will not stop piracy. It will actual increase piracy

5 People won't be inclined to update. Including me

6. It will possible increase compromised systems.

I'm personally not very impressed with validation at all, and I agree with
the reasons that i've snipped from your post for the sake of brevity.

I'd be interested in why you feel it will increase piracy and cause an
increase in compromised systems - I can think of one or two arguements in
those directions myself but they seem fairly weak to me.

People could be inclined to use other methods. People who don’t
update may get compromised system. The blaster virus for an example.

Do you think people will be less inclined to update because you think that
they will be annoyed at the extra hassle

I really cant answer that question. It really depends on the person.

do you think there is a problem with the process here
(I'm talking an actual problem with the process, not
how the process annoys you)?

I may have not understood your correctly. No problem with the
process. I think it would be even worse if it was done silently,
however that is just my personal opinion


Greg R

Disclaimer
My grammar is bad and I don’t mean to appear rude
This is not spam These are my personal opinions.
Any advice given is as-is. My opinions or Suggestions do not
necessarily reflect the view of Microsoft or my isp

 

[Robert Moir]

MS has a long history of it's validation crap catching people that
aren't pirates at all.

Perhaps but a more substantial discussion of the points being made might be
more productive. This is a soundbite, I was hoping for a discussion.

 

[Robert Moir]

People could be inclined to use other methods. People who don't
update may get compromised system. The blaster virus for an example.

Perhaps. Of course there are many ways to mitigate against things like
blaster. Anything that makes it harder to apply patches is a bad thing of
course. I personally think this is the single over-riding issue; If a
machine is ever connected to the Internet then any modern virus or worm that
gets onto it is a problem for many more people than just the infected
computer's owner.

I really cant answer that question. It really depends on the person.


I may have not understood your correctly. No problem with the
process. I think it would be even worse if it was done silently,
however that is just my personal opinion

Fair enough. I was wondering if you had identified a possible problem with
the process or whether you felt that so many people would be annoyed with it
that it would prove unworkable.

 

[Greg R]

Fair enough. I was wondering if you had identified a possible problem with
the process or whether you felt that so many people would be annoyed with it
that it would prove unworkable.

I guess I need to word my subject better. When I am against
something.

The Following statement is a little of topic. This should answer your
question and the reason I do these types of post.

Now, don’t get me wrong. I am against piracy. However. I always
have and will continue to believe the following.

I am against activation. I against validation because of
inconvenience.

Also I against validation because of this.

Let say another (Heaven Forbid) blaster virus hit xp. Causes people
loss of internet connection. So there friend has a Linux System.
The can’t download the patch because it require validation.

However, I will have to give some credit to Microsoft. They allowed
the blaster patch to be put on other sites and allowed people to share
it. Even through some people will disagree with this statement.

I have some ideas how to stop piracy. Real easy. Hire someone to go
after all those sites the sell oem copies illegally. I would be
willing to do this for $10.50 an hour.


If I could afford it I would join the Aclu and state clu



Greg R
Disclaimer
My grammar is bad and I don’t mean to appear rude
This is not spam These are my personal opinions.
Any advice given is as-is. My opinions or Suggestions do not
necessarily reflect the views of Microsoft or my isp

 

[Jupiter Jones [MVP]]

Greg;
"Microsoft said they wanted feedback of this. Here it is."
Actually, No.
Since these peer to peer newsgroups are not officially monitored,
Microsoft may never see your comments.
If you want Microsoft to see it, you should post to a location
Microsoft will see:
http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=114491
http://register.microsoft.com/mswis...=/isapi/gomscom.asp?target=/mswish/thanks.htm

Some of your points have some validity but your #5 is silly.
While it may cause some to not update, you make it seem like you are
punishing Microsoft by not updating and keeping your computer secure.
Guess who loses most if your computer is insecure and all your data is
lost or compromised?

 

[Jupiter Jones [MVP]]

"They allowed the blaster patch to be put on other sites"
Are you sure?
Microsoft is the only legitimate source for Microsoft patches.

Some sites may have appeared to distribute Microsoft patches but
usually a closer look actually shows a redirect to Microsoft.

If any site other than Microsoft is actually distributing Microsoft
patches, they are doing it against Microsoft.
They are also potentially creating a security problem.

 

[kurttrail]

Perhaps but a more substantial discussion of the points being made
might be more productive. This is a soundbite, I was hoping for a
discussion.

If you want MS to treat you like a child, then be my guest. Their PA and OS
validation technologies are of absolutely no value for the End User. If you
want to pay MS to waste your time, and possibly erroneously lock you out of
updates or your computer, that is totally YOUR choice.

MS is a leader in technology that's sole purpose is to keep paying customers
from using the copyrighted material that was sold to them. As long as ya'll
keep paying them to do it, they will keep adding hurdles to your use of
copyrighted material that you legally purchased.

Discuss that.

--
Peace!
Kurt
Self-anointed Moderator
microscum.pubic.windowsexp.gonorrhea
http://microscum.com
"Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron!
"Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei!"