Do I need a sitemap page?

[Tom Willett]

All I see is a blank page.

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| I know there are a ton of errors yet to be fixed but I was wondering
| if I could get your opinion on this approach ?
|
| http://www.legacy-photo.com/sitemap2.html
|
| ==
| John S. Douglas
| Photographer & Webmaster
| Legacy-photo.com - Xs750.net

 

[John]

All I see is a blank page.

Now that's something I never expected ! Do you have Javascript
prohibited or something ? It's possible I was updating it when you
attempted access. I've resolve all but one of the errors on the page.

HTML Validator says :

document.write('</style>')

line 28 column 22 - Warning: '<' + '/' + letter not allowed here

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John S. Douglas
Photographer & Webmaster
Legacy-photo.com - Xs750.net


==
John S. Douglas
Photographer & Webmaster
Legacy-photo.com - Xs750.net

 

[John]

Now that's something I never expected ! Do you have Javascript
prohibited or something ? It's possible I was updating it when you
attempted access. I've resolve all but one of the errors on the page.

HTML Validator says :

document.write('</style>')

line 28 column 22 - Warning: '<' + '/' + letter not allowed here

But do note that I don't have any problems viewing it in FP, IE6 or
FF.

==
John S. Douglas
Photographer & Webmaster
Legacy-photo.com - Xs750.net

 

[Tom Willett]

I see it now, John.
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| Now that's something I never expected ! Do you have Javascript
| prohibited or something ? It's possible I was updating it when you
| attempted access. I've resolve all but one of the errors on the page.
|
| HTML Validator says :
|
| document.write('</style>')
|
| line 28 column 22 - Warning: '<' + '/' + letter not allowed here
|
| ==
| John S. Douglas
| Photographer & Webmaster
| Legacy-photo.com - Xs750.net
|
|
| ==
| John S. Douglas
| Photographer & Webmaster
| Legacy-photo.com - Xs750.net

 

[John]

I see it now, John.

Is it that bad ?

==
John S. Douglas
Photographer & Webmaster
Legacy-photo.com - Xs750.net

 

[Tom Willett]

All I said was I see it now, as opposed to my first visit where it was
blank. Did I say anything about it being bad? ;-)
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| On Mon, 10 Jul 2006 15:47:12 -0500, "Tom Willett"
|
| >I see it now, John.
|
| Is it that bad ?
|
| ==
| John S. Douglas
| Photographer & Webmaster
| Legacy-photo.com - Xs750.net

 

[Trevor L.]

I know there are a ton of errors yet to be fixed but I was wondering
if I could get your opinion on this approach ?

http://www.legacy-photo.com/sitemap2.html

==
John S. Douglas
Photographer & Webmaster
Legacy-photo.com - Xs750.net

I got an error page about a broken link.

This doesn't worry me, as others are looking into this, but I am wondering how dows one set up such an error page to replace the
standard system error messages (in this case a 403)

 

[John]

I got an error page about a broken link.

This doesn't worry me, as others are looking into this,

Actually i updated the file and it's now taking the place of my
original sitemap at

http://www.legacy-photo.com/sitemap.html

but I am wondering how dows one set up such an error page to replace the
standard system error messages (in this case a 403)

Most decent hosts allow you to direct error requests using their
control panel. I think all it really does is edit the .htaccess file.
More at :

http://www.freewebmasterhelp.com/tutorials/htaccess/

==
John S. Douglas
Photographer & Webmaster
Legacy-photo.com - Xs750.net

 

[Guest]

Hi Trevor, I have finished my site map. Although it's not exactly yours, its
what my husband wants, and have to please him if I can, and he likes the 2
columns. But, because of yours, I learned alot, for some reason the
navigation was confusing for me, and you showed me so much. I also learned
how to use code, by studying what you did.

I will insert the site map code for you to see, I have not published it yet,
I want to finish the other changes I am making, the links at the top, and
bottom, in the correct order, and just being consistant. You gave me great
suggestions. You will notice on my map, I have changed the order of my pages
a bit, nothing major, but after really studying the order I had placed
things, it makes more sense to me. For instance, the sculpture pages being
first, as opposed to About RL, since I am not trying to sell him, lol. Many
thanks Trevor for your help and suggestions!

I hope you like it

Susie

<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">

<html lang="en">

<head>
<meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=windows-1252">
<title>R.L. Blair Sitemap</title>

<style type="text/css">
<!--
.label {font-family: Verdana;Times New Roman;font-size: 16px;}
.sublink {font-family: Verdana;Times New Roman;font-size: 16px;}
-->
</style>

</head>

<body bgcolor="#FEFEFE">

<div align="center">

<table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" border="0" width="759"><tr>
<th colspan="5" align="left">
<table border="0" width="100%" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0">
<tr>
<td class="sublink" align="right" width="655"><a
href="http://www.rlblair.com/">
Home</a></td><td class="gtsep" align="center" width="10">|</td>
<td class="sublink" align="left" width="94"><a
href="sculpture-by-rl-blair-sitemap.htm">Site
Map</a></tr>
</table>
<span style="font-weight: 400"><font face="Verdana" size="4">
<img border="0" src="images/web_images/logos/rl-blair-w-logo.jpg"
width="25" height="29" alt="RL Blair Logo">Sculpture by R.L. Blair Site
Map</font></span><p></p></th><tr valign="top"><td width="50%"
class="partition">
<table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" border="0" class="headline"><tr
valign="top"><td class="bullet">
•</td><td><span class="label"><b>Home</b><br></span>
<table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" border="0" class="subbullets">
<tr valign="top"><td class="subbullet">•</td><td class="sublink"><a
href="http://www.rlblair.com/">
RLBlair.com Home Page</a><br>
</td></tr></table></td></tr></table>
<table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" border="0" class="headline"><tr
valign="top"><td class="bullet">
•</td><td><span class="label"><b>Products</b><br></span>
<table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" border="0" class="subbullets">
<tr valign="top"><td class="subbullet">•</td><td class="sublink"><a
href="http://www.rlblair.com/wood-sculpture-gallery.htm">
Wood Sculpture Gallery</a><br>
</td></tr>
</table></td></tr></table>
<table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" border="0" class="headline"><tr
valign="top"><td class="bullet">
•</td><td><span class="label"><b>Bear Sculpture</b><br></span><table
cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" border="0" class="subbullets">
<tr valign="top"><td class="subbullet">•</td><td class="sublink"><a
href="http://www.rlblair.com/bear-sculpture.htm">
Bear Wood Sculpture</a></td></tr>
<tr valign="top"><td class="subbullet">•</td><td class="sublink"><a
href="http://www.rlblair.com/bear-signs-sculpture.htm">
Sign Bear Wood Sculpture</a></td></tr>
<tr valign="top"><td class="subbullet">•</td><td class="sublink"><a
href="http://www.rlblair.com/bear-hunting-sculpture.htm">
Hunting Bear Wood Sculpture</a></td></tr>
<tr valign="top"><td class="subbullet">•</td><td class="sublink"><a
href="http://www.rlblair.com/bear-fishing-sculpture.htm">
Fishing Bear Wood Sculpture</a></td></tr>
<tr valign="top"><td> </td><td> </td></tr></table></td></tr></table><table
cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" border="0" class="headline"><tr
valign="top"><td class="bullet">
•</td><td><span class="label"><b>Cowboy Sculpture</b><br></span><table
cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" border="0" class="subbullets">
<tr valign="top"><td class="subbullet">•</td><td class="sublink"><a
href="http://www.rlblair.com/cowboy-sculpture.htm">
Western Cowboy Wood Sculpture</a></td></tr>
<tr valign="top"><td> </td><td> </td></tr></table></td></tr></table><table
cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" border="0" class="headline"><tr
valign="top"><td class="bullet">
•</td><td><span class="label"><b>Garden Arbor</b><br></span><table
cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" border="0" class="subbullets">
<tr valign="top"><td class="subbullet">•</td><td class="sublink"><a
href="http://www.rlblair.com/garden-arbors.htm">
Garden Arbors - Tropical Hawaii</a></td></tr>
<tr valign="top"><td> </td><td> </td></tr></table></td></tr></table><table
cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" border="0" class="headline"><tr
valign="top"><td class="bullet">
•</td><td><span class="label"><b>Indian Sculpture</b><br></span><table
cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" border="0" class="subbullets">
<tr valign="top"><td class="subbullet">•</td><td class="sublink"><a
href="http://www.rlblair.com/indian-cigar-store-sculpture.htm">
Cigar Store Indian Wood Sculpture</a></td></tr>
<tr valign="top"><td class="subbullet">•</td><td class="sublink"><a
href="http://www.rlblair.com/indian-santa-fe-sculpture.htm">
Santa Fe Indian Wood Sculpture</a></td></tr>
<tr valign="top"><td> </td><td> </td></tr></table></td></tr></table><table
cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" border="0" class="headline"><tr
valign="top"><td class="bullet">
•</td><td><span class="label"><b>Nautical Sculpture</b><br></span><table
cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" border="0" class="subbullets">
<tr valign="top"><td class="subbullet">•</td><td class="sublink"><a
href="http://www.rlblair.com/nautical-mermaid-figurehead-sculpture.htm">
Mermaid Figurehead Sculpture</a></td></tr>
<tr valign="top"><td class="subbullet">•</td><td class="sublink"><a
href="http://www.rlblair.com/nautical-angel-fish-sculpture.htm">
Angel Fish Sculpture</a></td></tr>
<tr valign="top"><td class="subbullet">•</td><td class="sublink"><a
href="http://www.rlblair.com/nautical-fish-dolphin-sculpture.htm">
Fish, Dolphins, Otters Sculpture</a></td></tr>
<tr valign="top"><td class="subbullet">•</td><td class="sublink"><a
href="http://www.rlblair.com/nautical-mermaid-sculpture.htm">
Swimming Mermaid Sculpture</a></td></tr>
<tr valign="top"><td> </td><td> </td></tr>
</table></td></tr></table><table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" border="0"
class="headline"><tr valign="top"><td class="bullet">
•</td><td><span class="label"><b>Spirit Sculpture</b><br></span><table
cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" border="0" class="subbullets">
<tr valign="top"><td class="subbullet">•</td><td class="sublink"><a
href="http://www.rlblair.com/spirit-sculpture-indian-woman.htm">
Indian Woman, Wolf, Bear,<br>Eagle Spirit Sculpture</a><br>
</td></tr><tr valign="top"><td class="subbullet">•</td><td
class="sublink"><a
href="http://www.rlblair.com/spirit-sculpture-indian-man.htm">
Indian Man, Wolf, Bear, Eagle<br>Buffalo Spirit Sculpture</a><br>
</td></tr><tr valign="top"><td class="subbullet">•</td><td
class="sublink"><a href="http://www.rlblair.com/spirit-sculpture-free.htm">
Free Me My Brother Sculpture</a></td></tr>
<tr valign="top"><td> </td><td> </td></tr></table></td></tr></table>
</td><td width="10"><div class="gutterPlug"></div></td><td width="1"
height="100%"><div class="verticalRule"></div></td><td width="10"><div
class="gutterPlug"></div></td><td width="50%" class="partition"><table
cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" border="0" class="headline">
<tr valign="top"><td class="bullet">•</td><td><span
class="label"><b>Tropical Tiki Sculpture</b><br></span><table cellpadding="0"
cellspacing="0" border="0" class="subbullets">
<tr valign="top"><td class="subbullet">•</td><td class="sublink"><a
href="http://www.rlblair.com/tropical-polynesian-hawaii-tiki.htm">
Tropical Polynesian Hawaii Tiki</a></td></tr>
<tr valign="top"><td> </td><td> </td></tr></table></td></tr></table><table
cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" border="0" class="headline"><tr
valign="top"><td class="bullet">
•</td><td><span class="label"><b>Whimsical
Sculpture</b><br></span><table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" border="0"
class="subbullets">
<tr valign="top"><td class="subbullet">•</td><td class="sublink"><a
href="http://www.rlblair.com/whimsical-sculpture.htm">
R.L.'s Original Ugly Sculpture</a></td></tr>
<tr valign="top"><td> </td><td> </td></tr></table></td></tr></table><table
cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" border="0" class="headline"><tr
valign="top"><td class="bullet">
•</td><td><span class="label"><b>Wildlife Sculpture</b>
<br></span><table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" border="0"
class="subbullets">
<tr valign="top"><td class="subbullet">•</td><td class="sublink"><a
href="http://www.rlblair.com/wildlife-eagle-figurehead-sculpture.htm">
Eagle Figurehead Sculpture</a></td></tr>
<tr valign="top"><td class="subbullet">•</td><td class="sublink"><a
href="http://www.rlblair.com/wildlife-eagle-sculpture.htm">
Eagle Wood Sculpture</a></td></tr>
<tr valign="top"><td> </td><td> </td></tr></table></td></tr></table><table
cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" border="0" class="headline"><tr
valign="top"><td class="bullet">
•</td><td><span class="label"><b>Disney® Sculpture</b><br></span><table
cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" border="0" class="subbullets">
<tr valign="top"><td class="subbullet">•</td><td class="sublink">
<a href="http://www.rlblair.com/disney-bears-eagle-sculpture.htm">
Disney Bear, Eagle, Buffalo Sculpture</a></td></tr>
<tr valign="top"><td class="subbullet">•</td><td class="sublink">
<a href="http://www.rlblair.com/disney-baseball-bears-sculpture.htm">
Disney Baseball Players, Mermaid, Bears</a></td></tr>
<tr valign="top"><td class="subbullet">•</td><td class="sublink">
<a href="http://www.rlblair.com/disney-myths-sculpture.htm">
Disney Mythological Beliefs Sculpture</a></td></tr>
<tr valign="top"><td class="subbullet">•</td><td class="sublink">
<a href="http://www.rlblair.com/disney-brother-bear-sculpture.htm">
Disney Brother Bear Sculpture</a></td></tr>
<tr valign="top"><td> </td><td> </td></tr></table></td></tr></table><table
cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" border="0" class="headline"><tr
valign="top"><td class="bullet">
•</td><td><span class="label"><b>Photo Album</b><br></span><table
cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" border="0" class="subbullets">
<tr valign="top"><td class="subbullet">•</td><td class="sublink"><a
href="http://www.rlblair.com/photo-album-sculpture-1.htm">
Memorable Art in Sculpture</a></td></tr>
<tr valign="top"><td class="subbullet">•</td><td class="sublink"><a
href="http://www.rlblair.com/photo-album-sculpture-2.htm">
Memorable Art in Sculpture-pg 2</a></td></tr>
<tr valign="top"><td> </td><td> </td></tr></table></td></tr></table><table
cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" border="0" class="headline"><tr
valign="top"><td class="bullet">
•</td><td><span class="label"><b>About Sculpture by R.L.
Blair</b> <br></span>
<table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" border="0" class="subbullets">
<tr valign="top"><td class="subbullet">•</td><td class="sublink"><a
href="http://www.rlblair.com/contact-us.htm">
Contact Us</a></td></tr>
<tr valign="top"><td class="subbullet">•</td><td class="sublink"><a
href="http://www.rlblair.com/about-rl-blair.htm">
About R.L. Blair</a></td></tr>
<tr valign="top"><td class="subbullet">•</td><td class="sublink"><a
href="http://www.rlblair.com/news.htm">
R.L. Blair News</a></td></tr>
<tr valign="top"><td class="subbullet">•</td><td class="sublink"><a
href="http://www.rlblair.com/links.htm">
Interesting Links</a></td></tr>
</table></td></tr></table>
<tr>
<td align="center" width="759" height="150" colspan="6" rowspan="2">
<p>
<font size="1" color="#000000">Copyright ©2005-2006 R.L. Blair. All
rights reserved.</font></p>
<p>
<a href="http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=referer"><img
src="http://www.w3.org/Icons/valid-html401"
alt="Valid HTML 4.01 Transitional" height="31" width="88"></a>
</p>
</td>

</table>

</div>

</body>

</html>

 

[Trevor L.]

Hi Trevor, I have finished my site map. Although it's not exactly
yours, its what my husband wants, and have to please him if I can,
and he likes the 2 columns. But, because of yours, I learned alot,
for some reason the navigation was confusing for me, and you showed
me so much. I also learned how to use code, by studying what you did.

I will insert the site map code for you to see, I have not published
it yet, I want to finish the other changes I am making, the links at
the top, and bottom, in the correct order, and just being consistant.
You gave me great suggestions. You will notice on my map, I have
changed the order of my pages a bit, nothing major, but after really
studying the order I had placed things, it makes more sense to me.
For instance, the sculpture pages being first, as opposed to About
RL, since I am not trying to sell him, lol. Many thanks Trevor for
your help and suggestions!

I hope you like it

Susie
[snip]

:

Susie,
I think it's looking great.

I did think that 2 columns would detract from understanding the structure, but now that I look at it, I can see that it isn't a
problem - it is quite clear that column 2 is a continuation of column 1, and this way makes better use of the space available.

A couple of questions.
1. I note this line of the table.
I assume it is part of the links you are still working on and is to appear on every page. Otherwise, it appears to contain a link to
itself.
<tr>
<td class="sublink" align="right" width="655">
<a href="http://www.rlblair.com/">
Home</a></td>
<td class="gtsep" align="center" width="10"></td>
<td class="sublink" align="left" width="94">
<a href="sculpture-by-rl-blair-sitemap.htm">Site Map</a>
</tr>

BTW, for correctness the last cell tag should be closed, i.e. </td></tr> not </tr>
(I just happened to see this, I haven't gone through the code in any detail. As an old colleague of mine used to "If it works, use
it.")

2. Do you need the <br> here, which causes a blank line between the heading and its lower levels?
<span class="label"><b>About Sculpture by R.L. Blair</b> <br></span>

 

[Thomas A. Rowe]

FYI: Search engine will not read down column one and then jump to the top to read column two.


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Hi Trevor, I have finished my site map. Although it's not exactly
yours, its what my husband wants, and have to please him if I can,
and he likes the 2 columns. But, because of yours, I learned alot,
for some reason the navigation was confusing for me, and you showed
me so much. I also learned how to use code, by studying what you did.

I will insert the site map code for you to see, I have not published
it yet, I want to finish the other changes I am making, the links at
the top, and bottom, in the correct order, and just being consistant.
You gave me great suggestions. You will notice on my map, I have
changed the order of my pages a bit, nothing major, but after really
studying the order I had placed things, it makes more sense to me.
For instance, the sculpture pages being first, as opposed to About
RL, since I am not trying to sell him, lol. Many thanks Trevor for
your help and suggestions!

I hope you like it

Susie
[snip]

:

Susie,
I think it's looking great.

I did think that 2 columns would detract from understanding the structure, but now that I look at
it, I can see that it isn't a problem - it is quite clear that column 2 is a continuation of
column 1, and this way makes better use of the space available.

A couple of questions.
1. I note this line of the table.
I assume it is part of the links you are still working on and is to appear on every page.
Otherwise, it appears to contain a link to itself.
<tr>
<td class="sublink" align="right" width="655">
<a href="http://www.rlblair.com/">
Home</a></td>
<td class="gtsep" align="center" width="10"></td>
<td class="sublink" align="left" width="94">
<a href="sculpture-by-rl-blair-sitemap.htm">Site Map</a>
</tr>

BTW, for correctness the last cell tag should be closed, i.e. </td></tr> not </tr>
(I just happened to see this, I haven't gone through the code in any detail. As an old colleague
of mine used to "If it works, use it.")

2. Do you need the <br> here, which causes a blank line between the heading and its lower levels?
<span class="label"><b>About Sculpture by R.L. Blair</b> <br></span>

 

[Guest]

Hi Trevor, I patterned my sitemap after this one
http://support.microsoft.com/library/toolbar/3.0/sitemap/en-gb.mspx
and they have the site map link along with home link on the top right, so I
did, I figured there must be a good reason, maybe search engines?

Your question> 2. Do you need the <br> here, which causes a blank line
between the heading and its lower levels?
I did that because it was the only way I knew to get my link for the page
underneath the title like Bear sculpture, (called the label) and when I
preview in browser, theres no blank line, hmmm, maybe when I publish there
will be? This is how microsoft did theres, (I dont have a blurb)
<td class="bullet">•</td><td><span class="label">Downloads<br></span><p
class="blurb"><a href="http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/">Downloads</a></p>

The only thing I couldnt figure out is how to make the bullets lighter grey,
and smaller bullets in front of the links, and a vertical line between the
columns. But, thats ok, I am not going to worry about it.

The last <tr> Did you mean this one? I just fixed it. The validator didnt
catch it, thanks for seeing that.
</p>
</td>
</tr>
</table>
</div>
</body>
</html>

Thanks so much for looking You would not believe how long I worked on it!
I am now trying to learn to do a css spreadsheet.
Susie

Hi Trevor, I have finished my site map. Although it's not exactly
yours, its what my husband wants, and have to please him if I can,
and he likes the 2 columns. But, because of yours, I learned alot,
for some reason the navigation was confusing for me, and you showed
me so much. I also learned how to use code, by studying what you did.

I will insert the site map code for you to see, I have not published
it yet, I want to finish the other changes I am making, the links at
the top, and bottom, in the correct order, and just being consistant.
You gave me great suggestions. You will notice on my map, I have
changed the order of my pages a bit, nothing major, but after really
studying the order I had placed things, it makes more sense to me.
For instance, the sculpture pages being first, as opposed to About
RL, since I am not trying to sell him, lol. Many thanks Trevor for
your help and suggestions!

I hope you like it

Susie
[snip]

:

Susie,
I think it's looking great.

I did think that 2 columns would detract from understanding the structure, but now that I look at it, I can see that it isn't a
problem - it is quite clear that column 2 is a continuation of column 1, and this way makes better use of the space available.

A couple of questions.
1. I note this line of the table.
I assume it is part of the links you are still working on and is to appear on every page. Otherwise, it appears to contain a link to
itself.
<tr>
<td class="sublink" align="right" width="655">
<a href="http://www.rlblair.com/">
Home</a></td>
<td class="gtsep" align="center" width="10"></td>
<td class="sublink" align="left" width="94">
<a href="sculpture-by-rl-blair-sitemap.htm">Site Map</a>
</tr>

BTW, for correctness the last cell tag should be closed, i.e. </td></tr> not </tr>
(I just happened to see this, I haven't gone through the code in any detail. As an old colleague of mine used to "If it works, use
it.")

2. Do you need the <br> here, which causes a blank line between the heading and its lower levels?
<span class="label"><b>About Sculpture by R.L. Blair</b> <br></span>

 

[Guest]

Hi Thomas,
Ok, the search engine wont, even though I have written it that way, one
after the other? Will this code that seperates the columns prevent it from
going to the next column in? <td width="10"><div
class="gutterPlug"></div></td><td width="1" height="100%"><div
class="verticalRule"></div></td><td width="10"><div
class="gutterPlug"></div></td><td width="50%" class="partition">

Thanks,
Susie

FYI: Search engine will not read down column one and then jump to the top to read column two.


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Hi Trevor, I have finished my site map. Although it's not exactly
yours, its what my husband wants, and have to please him if I can,
and he likes the 2 columns. But, because of yours, I learned alot,
for some reason the navigation was confusing for me, and you showed
me so much. I also learned how to use code, by studying what you did.

I will insert the site map code for you to see, I have not published
it yet, I want to finish the other changes I am making, the links at
the top, and bottom, in the correct order, and just being consistant.
You gave me great suggestions. You will notice on my map, I have
changed the order of my pages a bit, nothing major, but after really
studying the order I had placed things, it makes more sense to me.
For instance, the sculpture pages being first, as opposed to About
RL, since I am not trying to sell him, lol. Many thanks Trevor for
your help and suggestions!

I hope you like it

Susie
[snip]

:

Susie,
I think it's looking great.

I did think that 2 columns would detract from understanding the structure, but now that I look at
it, I can see that it isn't a problem - it is quite clear that column 2 is a continuation of
column 1, and this way makes better use of the space available.

A couple of questions.
1. I note this line of the table.
I assume it is part of the links you are still working on and is to appear on every page.
Otherwise, it appears to contain a link to itself.
<tr>
<td class="sublink" align="right" width="655">
<a href="http://www.rlblair.com/">
Home</a></td>
<td class="gtsep" align="center" width="10"></td>
<td class="sublink" align="left" width="94">
<a href="sculpture-by-rl-blair-sitemap.htm">Site Map</a>
</tr>

BTW, for correctness the last cell tag should be closed, i.e. </td></tr> not </tr>
(I just happened to see this, I haven't gone through the code in any detail. As an old colleague
of mine used to "If it works, use it.")

2. Do you need the <br> here, which causes a blank line between the heading and its lower levels?
<span class="label"><b>About Sculpture by R.L. Blair</b> <br></span>

 

[Trevor L.]

Hi Trevor, I patterned my sitemap after this one
http://support.microsoft.com/library/toolbar/3.0/sitemap/en-gb.mspx
and they have the site map link along with home link on the top
right, so I did, I figured there must be a good reason, maybe search
engines?

Yes, yours looks very much like that and I have no problem with it.

I am not sure I can explain what I mean about the Site Map link.

Basically, it is this:
I am on the Site Map page and I see a link to the Site Map page.
Why do I need this as I am already there?
The reason that I thought of was that this link appears on every page, so the fact that it has a link to itself doesn't matter. Each
page will have one link which is to itself. I have exactly the same on my website. When you look at my Home Page, there is a link to
the Home Page, but it is because all pages have the same links. It is not worth the effort of tailoring each page so that it does
not have a link to itself.

Your question> 2. Do you need the <br> here, which causes a blank line
between the heading and its lower levels?
I did that because it was the only way I knew to get my link for the
page underneath the title like Bear sculpture, (called the label) and
when I preview in browser, theres no blank line, hmmm, maybe when I
publish there will be? This is how microsoft did theres, (I dont
have a blurb) <td class="bullet">.</td><td><span
class="label">Downloads<br></span><p class="blurb"><a
href="http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/">Downloads</a></p>

OK. That make sense.
What I was saying was wrong. It is not the <br> causing the blank line. As you say, you need it to put the next stuff on a new line.
This is what it looks like in IE6
. About Sculpture by R.L. Blair
. Contact Us
. About R.L. Blair
. R.L. Blair News
. Interesting Links


I just pasted this here, so it is WYSIWYG. Note the blank line between the title and the details
Something is causing an extra line, but I can't see what it is. I wish I could )

 

[Trevor L.]

This is what it looks like in IE6 . About Sculpture by R.L. Blair
. Contact Us
. About R.L. Blair
. R.L. Blair News
. Interesting Links


I just pasted this here, so it is WYSIWYG. Note the blank line
between the title and the details

The post as I look at it doesn't have the blank line, but it does in IE6

 

[Guest]

Trevor, may I ask, how do you look at my page in IE6?
Ok, after Thomas wrote this>" FYI: Search engine will not read down column
one and then jump to the top to read column two."
I am concerned about using my sitemap now, and am thinking that yours is
better, plus, yours is 5 KB, and mine is 12 KB. I have a question about the
way you have designed the sitemap you made. The pages that do not have a
mapsection title, the ones that only have one page, like Garden Arbor, is it
ok to add a mapsection above it, so it has the black and white title? Its
easier to read, and shows a catagory clearly. Is that messing with the
navigation?

Thanks
Susie

 

[Guest]

I forgot to mention, I agree about the sitemap link being on the site map
page, and whats strange is, I looked around microsoft, and they don't have
site map link on top of the other pages, so I am baffled as to why they have
it there. But I know they know more than me

Susie

 

[Trevor L.]

Trevor, may I ask, how do you look at my page in IE6?
Ok, after Thomas wrote this>" FYI: Search engine will not read down
column one and then jump to the top to read column two."
I am concerned about using my sitemap now, and am thinking that yours
is better, plus, yours is 5 KB, and mine is 12 KB. I have a
question about the way you have designed the sitemap you made. The
pages that do not have a mapsection title, the ones that only have
one page, like Garden Arbor, is it ok to add a mapsection above it,
so it has the black and white title? Its easier to read, and shows a
catagory clearly. Is that messing with the navigation?

Well, this a nice long discussion - not that I mind , it's all fun to me. (Well, it's not fun that you are wanting to get your site
right, and not getting there. What's fun is trying to find out what *is* the best way to get there.)

how do you look at my page in IE6

I cut and paste the code you posted into a text file, then save it as "susiesitemap.html". (The name doesn't matter, but the
extension must be .html or .htm)
Then in Windows Explorer, double click on the file name. If IE6 is your default browser (it is possible but not likely that it is
not) then it will open in IE6.

Thomas wrote this ..........

I don't quite know what Thomas' statement means. I don't know anything about how search engines work.
Thomas has much more knowledge than I, so we have to defer to him.

I am thinking that yours is better

"better" is a matter of taste. As I said, I quite like the two column format.

yours is 5 KB, and mine is 12 KB

Why is one bigger than another?
Probably because yours uses a table and mine doesn't.

is it ok to add a mapsection above it?

Yes, I thought about how to deal with "stand-alone" pages (my phrase).
There are two ways (as I see it)
1. Title + page
Garden Arbor
Garden Arbors - Tropical Hawaii
2. Title only
Garden Arbors - Tropical Hawaii

I think either way is OK. Perhaps 1. is more consistent.

Does this have any effect on search engines?
Again I don't know.

 

[Guest]

Thanks again Trevor, you have been great to help me so much, I will always
appreciate it I hope I have not been a bother. I will eventually get my
site right, thanks to you and all the other helpful people here. I am off to
get some sleep, it's way past midnight. My husband thinks I am married to
this computer

Susie

 

[Thomas A. Rowe]

Search engines, screen readers, etc. all read the way you would read a page in a basic book, top to
bottom.

So if you have two columns, then first line in both columns would be read, then second line and so
on.

Actually, it may not matter for the search engines.
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==============================================
Thomas A. Rowe (Microsoft MVP - FrontPage)
==============================================
If you feel your current issue is a results of installing
a Service Pack or security update, please contact
Microsoft Product Support Services:
http://support.microsoft.com
If the problem can be shown to have been caused by a
security update, then there is usually no charge for the call.
==============================================

Hi Thomas,
Ok, the search engine wont, even though I have written it that way, one
after the other? Will this code that seperates the columns prevent it from
going to the next column in? <td width="10"><div
class="gutterPlug"></div></td><td width="1" height="100%"><div
class="verticalRule"></div></td><td width="10"><div
class="gutterPlug"></div></td><td width="50%" class="partition">

Thanks,
Susie

FYI: Search engine will not read down column one and then jump to the top to read column two.


--
==============================================
Thomas A. Rowe (Microsoft MVP - FrontPage)
==============================================
If you feel your current issue is a results of installing
a Service Pack or security update, please contact
Microsoft Product Support Services:
http://support.microsoft.com
If the problem can be shown to have been caused by a
security update, then there is usually no charge for the call.
==============================================

Susie wrote:
Hi Trevor, I have finished my site map. Although it's not exactly
yours, its what my husband wants, and have to please him if I can,
and he likes the 2 columns. But, because of yours, I learned alot,
for some reason the navigation was confusing for me, and you showed
me so much. I also learned how to use code, by studying what you did.

I will insert the site map code for you to see, I have not published
it yet, I want to finish the other changes I am making, the links at
the top, and bottom, in the correct order, and just being consistant.
You gave me great suggestions. You will notice on my map, I have
changed the order of my pages a bit, nothing major, but after really
studying the order I had placed things, it makes more sense to me.
For instance, the sculpture pages being first, as opposed to About
RL, since I am not trying to sell him, lol. Many thanks Trevor for
your help and suggestions!

I hope you like it

Susie

[snip]

:


Susie,
I think it's looking great.

I did think that 2 columns would detract from understanding the structure, but now that I look
at
it, I can see that it isn't a problem - it is quite clear that column 2 is a continuation of
column 1, and this way makes better use of the space available.

A couple of questions.
1. I note this line of the table.
I assume it is part of the links you are still working on and is to appear on every page.
Otherwise, it appears to contain a link to itself.
<tr>
<td class="sublink" align="right" width="655">
<a href="http://www.rlblair.com/">
Home</a></td>
<td class="gtsep" align="center" width="10"></td>
<td class="sublink" align="left" width="94">
<a href="sculpture-by-rl-blair-sitemap.htm">Site Map</a>
</tr>

BTW, for correctness the last cell tag should be closed, i.e. </td></tr> not </tr>
(I just happened to see this, I haven't gone through the code in any detail. As an old
colleague
of mine used to "If it works, use it.")

2. Do you need the <br> here, which causes a blank line between the heading and its lower
levels?
<span class="label"><b>About Sculpture by R.L. Blair</b> <br></span>