Digital HDTV Cards for the PC

G

Geoff

I found one article that explains things well. One of my questions was
whether a digital tuner card can get all the cable stations. The card can
tune the stations but they may be encoded, so the card would not be able to
display it. The article is at:

http://www.amdpower.com/sections.php4?op=viewarticle&artid=112

This is the kind of card I was looking for but does anyone have a favorite
they use?

-g
 
J

johns

I wish somebody who knew exactly what was going on
would clearly and simply explain all of this. I've been
through it for about 3 years now, and I have truly heard
enough bullshit and half truths. Worst of all are the left
out items that you are not aware of until it is too late,
and you are the proud owner of a worthless piece of
crap ... or close to it. Then, when you try to "upgrade",
you get another piece of crap that is even worse than
the first.
Here's what I think about this post: ( probably wrong )

1. An HDTV doesn't need a tuner, it already has one
built in to it. And that tuner will only take properly
formatted signals for HDTV .. another $500 a year.
2. Most HDTVs do not have sufficient resolution to act
as a computer monitor, so what is the point in putting
an HDTV card in a PC ... and then try to use the
HDTV as a TV when it is already a TV.
3. Most PC monitors are either too small for TV, or too
expensive when you get to sizes like 27 inches. So
your choice is to run two monitors .. one PC monitor
in the 20 inch size, and a 2nd LCDTV in the 30+ inch
size .. but why? ... when you can just hook the 2nd
LCD-HDTV-TV to the cable TV input and be done
with it ???
4. The market is waiting for a decent size LCD monitor that
is affordable and has high resolution for gaming, movies,
AND Analog AND HDTV .. with a freaking switchbox that
will let you run the damn thing as a stand-alone TV set
that you can see from 6 to 8 feet away .. OR connect to
the PC TV-tuner card for PVR downloads and recording
and dvd burning. WITHOUT the stupid thing becoming
the family TV for the teenagers to hack, or the wife to get
screaming mad about because it JUST DOESN'T ACT
LIKE A TV SET !!!!! And I wouldn't mind high speed
cable network be included that gives me both cable TV
and broad band internet for less than $400 a year for
THE WHOLE FREAKING THING.
5. As it stands right now, all you can buy are bits and pieces
of all of this, and you cannot get the whole package in
a useful, SENSIBLE, affordable package. And if you are
rich and stupid, you can get all of this, but you will have
duplicated each function so many times, that the first
mis-click of the mouse will put your system in a mode
that will wind you up in DIVORCE COURT, or pulling
3 to 5 for just losing it .....

johns
 
J

johns

Oh yes .. speaking of stupid ... my computer in the
front bedroom has a Hauppauge PVR 350 pci card,
which works pretty good most of the time, except
sometimes I have a problem with dropped frames
and the sound and video going out of sync.
And, my computer in the back bedroom has the
PowerColor 550 pci-e X1 tv-tuner which is much
faster, and I'm just beginning to work with it, but
I haven't yet chosen the right LCD monitor-tv ??
I'm watching the price on a 23 inch Viewsonic
wide-screen monitor which is teetering around
$600. Video cards are ATI 9800 front bedroom
and BFG GT7900GTO rear bedroom. I'm also
watching the new Korean dual analog-digital
tv-tuners that are coming in later this year. Wonder
what that thing does ?

johns
 
G

Geoff

The setup I am shooting for is a pc/tv media center. It can be used as a
pc, wireless keyboard, etc. but also used for tv and recording shows.

As for the monitor, I was thinking of a 21 or 22 inch pc lcd monitor. That
may not sound big but the tv I have been watching for years, the glass part
is only 19 inches diagonally (for tube tvs, manufacturers advertise the size
and include the frame around the glass, not just the glass). The picture
seems larger because the whole tv is larger. Our other tv is an lcd and
some of the shows have black bars on each side. Wifey says the picture is
small and she likes the other, tube tv, however, even with the black bars,
the picture is still 21 inches diagonally, larger than the tube tv.

I agree there is no sensible package out there, so, I am researching it
before I buy anything.

-g
 
R

Rod Speed

johns said:
I wish somebody who knew exactly what was going on
would clearly and simply explain all of this. I've been
through it for about 3 years now, and I have truly heard
enough bullshit and half truths. Worst of all are the left
out items that you are not aware of until it is too late,
and you are the proud owner of a worthless piece of
crap ... or close to it. Then, when you try to "upgrade",
you get another piece of crap that is even worse than
the first.
Here's what I think about this post: ( probably wrong )
1. An HDTV doesn't need a tuner,
it already has one built in to it.

Some do, some dont.
And that tuner will only take properly formatted
signals for HDTV .. another $500 a year.

Plenty accept both HDTV and the older analog TV.
2. Most HDTVs do not have sufficient resolution
to act as a computer monitor, so what is the
point in putting an HDTV card in a PC ...

You only play the HDTV material on the
HDTV, you dont use it as a monitor.

The big advantage with an HDTV card in a PC is that
it replaces VCRs so you capture the digital TV direct
to hard disk, with no loss of quality at all.

And the big advantage of doing it with a PC is that you
get complete flexibility, you can have more than one
HDTV card in the PC, I have 4, have as much hard
drive space as you like, burn whatever you like to DVDs
etc, and dont have to fart around with the limitations with
stuff like Tivos kludging bigger hard drives into them etc.
and then try to use the HDTV as a TV when it is already a TV.

It allows you to record stuff on the PC that you watch later.
I watch almost nothing live, watch recorded stuff almost
exclusively. That allows you to watch it when you choose
to and not when its broadcast, and to skip the ads and
the boring bits and repeat bits that you choose to etc.
3. Most PC monitors are either too small for TV, or
too expensive when you get to sizes like 27 inches.

Yes, thats why you have a decent HDTV to watch the material on.
So your choice is to run two monitors ..
one PC monitor in the 20 inch size, and
a 2nd LCDTV in the 30+ inch size .. but why? ...

So you get the best of both worlds, the full lucious HD
color etc in perfect unfucked digital on the HDTV and
get the decent resolution display of what you have
captured when selecting what to watch etc.
when you can just hook the 2nd LCD-HDTV-TV
to the cable TV input and be done with it ???

You're then stuck with watching it when they choose
to broadcast it and to wear the ads and the crap as well.
4. The market is waiting for a decent size LCD monitor that
is affordable and has high resolution for gaming, movies,
AND Analog AND HDTV ..

Makes more sense to use an existing monitor as well as the HDTV.
with a freaking switchbox that will let you run the damn thing as
a stand-alone TV set that you can see from 6 to 8 feet away ..

I prefer to have both at once, particularly for the display
of progess thru the recorded material time counter wise etc.
OR connect to the PC TV-tuner card for PVR
downloads and recording and dvd burning.

No point, the HDTV tuner/capture cards for PCs are cheap.
WITHOUT the stupid thing becoming the
family TV for the teenagers to hack,

They dont get to hack a damned thing.
or the wife to get screaming mad about because
it JUST DOESN'T ACT LIKE A TV SET !!!!!

Makes more sense to choose one with a clue instead.
And I wouldn't mind high speed cable network be included
that gives me both cable TV and broad band internet for
less than $400 a year for THE WHOLE FREAKING THING.
Sure.

5. As it stands right now, all you can buy are bits and
pieces of all of this, and you cannot get the whole
package in a useful, SENSIBLE, affordable package.

Thats just plain wrong. They are buyable
and a lot more flexible than Tivos etc.

Not a shred of rocket science require to assemble
it yourself anyway. Just as easy as with any PC.
And if you are rich and stupid, you can get all of this,

And if you arent rich and still stupid, you can too.
but you will have duplicated each function so many times,
that the first mis-click of the mouse will put your system
in a mode that will wind you up in DIVORCE COURT,
or pulling 3 to 5 for just losing it .....

Wrong. Its perfectly feasible to make it bullet proof.
 
R

Rod Speed

johns said:
Oh yes .. speaking of stupid ... my computer in the
front bedroom has a Hauppauge PVR 350 pci card,
which works pretty good most of the time, except
sometimes I have a problem with dropped frames
and the sound and video going out of sync.

Decent digital TV capture cards dont have that problem,
essentially because they just pump the digital stream
to the hard drive and so cant get out of synch.
And, my computer in the back bedroom has the
PowerColor 550 pci-e X1 tv-tuner which is much
faster, and I'm just beginning to work with it, but
I haven't yet chosen the right LCD monitor-tv ??
I'm watching the price on a 23 inch Viewsonic
wide-screen monitor which is teetering around $600.

I just feed the output of the HTPC into a
decent large HDTV. Much bigger than that.
Video cards are ATI 9800 front bedroom
and BFG GT7900GTO rear bedroom.
I'm also watching the new Korean dual analog-digital
tv-tuners that are coming in later this year. Wonder
what that thing does ?

Basically allows you to watch both digital and analog TV.

I dont bother with analog TV anymore, but then I can
get everything thats on the analog TV on digital TV at
a much higher quality.
 
S

Stephen

I found one article that explains things well. One of my questions was
whether a digital tuner card can get all the cable stations. The card can
tune the stations but they may be encoded, so the card would not be able to
display it. The article is at:

http://www.amdpower.com/sections.php4?op=viewarticle&artid=112

This is the kind of card I was looking for but does anyone have a favorite
they use?

-g

The article title talks about the Fusion III card, but all the
pictures are of the older card.

I have a Fusion HDTV III Gold-T card. It can tune in any of the QAM
cable channels that are not encrypted.

Stephen
--
 
G

Geoff

I think I would prefer to have a digital card that has a dvi port for input.
Then I could use the set top box from my cable company. No one seems to
sell that tho.

-g
 
R

Rod Speed

Geoff said:
I think I would prefer to have a digital card that has a dvi port for
input. Then I could use the set top box from my cable company. No
one seems to sell that tho.

Because that doesnt help with the audio.
 
A

Adam Corolla

You only play the HDTV material on the
HDTV, you dont use it as a monitor.

Not true, you can use an HDTV as a monitor. If you have an LCD, DLO, LCoS
or projection LCD , DLP or LCoS, you don't have to worry about burn-in. I
am using a 55" Sony grand Wega LCD projection screen for my monitor, and
it's great! Assuming your HDTV has an HDMI input, just get a videocard with
DVI out and a DVI to HDMI converter cable for around ten to fifteen bucks.
 
R

Rod Speed

Not true, you can use an HDTV as a monitor.

Why did you drop the para at the top from the quoting ?

I clearly never said that you cant use the HDTV as a monitor,
JUST that if you have decided that it doesnt have adequate
resolution for the quality of display you want, you dont THEN.

If only because a decent sized HDTV will be much further away
from you than most prefer to have their monitor, thats another
good reason for not using the HDTV as the monitor.
If you have an LCD, DLO, LCoS or projection LCD , DLP or LCoS, you don't have to worry
about burn-in.

He clearly wasnt discussing burn-in, he was talking about resolution.
I am using a 55" Sony grand Wega LCD projection screen for my monitor, and it's great!

Too far away for most people.
Assuming your HDTV has an HDMI input, just get a videocard with DVI out and a DVI to
HDMI converter cable for around ten to fifteen bucks.

Still too far away for most people.

The short story is that what most prefer distance
wise for the monitor isnt what most prefer for their TV.
 

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