dial-up and wireless networking

[Chuck]

I do see the links to your articles and I've read some of them. Since a lot
of the terminology sounds like a foreign language to me, I have to read
things a couple of times. Sorry, it takes me a while to get my mind around
this and to understand exactly what people who are much more knowledgeable
are trying to explain. Every discipline as its own language. When I was an
editor and spoke in "newspaper" I know the terms were lost on lots of folks.
I'll reread the articles and see what particular questions I have. Sorry to
be so dense. I just need a step-by-step explanation to get it straight in my
head. I'm afraid for me to "get" it, it's going to have to be kept pretty
simple.

OK, just read and ask questions. I develop my blog based upon questions, so
maybe I will end up writing another article or two.

 

[Richard G. Harper]

You're confusing me, Chuck. Granted, that's not difficult most days; but
how exactly is a garden-variety router going to share a dial-up ICS
connection? I looked at your referenced web page and it keeps saying
"Ethernet-based" and that just ain't what we're talking about here.

The original post is repeated below.

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[Chuck]

You're confusing me, Chuck. Granted, that's not difficult most days; but
how exactly is a garden-variety router going to share a dial-up ICS
connection? I looked at your referenced web page and it keeps saying
"Ethernet-based" and that just ain't what we're talking about here.

Richard,

You have to look at the router specs. Dial-up routers have a DB9 port for a
serial cable, in addition to the Ethernet port, attached to the WAN side of the
router. You connect a standard full service serial modem to the DB9 port, and
setup the phonebook entry thru the router management web page. The router
manages the modem just as Dial Up Networking would in Windows, and shares the
Internet service thru its LAN, just like any other NAT router.

I myself use an SMC7008ABR when my DSL goes out. I hook up my phone line to the
modem, power the modem and SMC up, and I can be back online in 10 - 15 minutes.
Would be sooner if my ISP didn't occasionally change their phone numbers.

 

[Kyuzo]

To see a listing of devices currently installed in your computer/laptop, you
can pull up the Device Manager. Really simple:
Start -- Run -- devmgmt.msc -- OK

Click the + sign on Network Adapters and your network cards should appear.
You can use this Device Manager thing for future reference if you want to
check other hardware installed inside your computer, or if you need to see
if a device is working properly or not.

I also recommend you go to http://www.webopedia.com and search for unknown
networking terms.

 

[Richard G. Harper]

Okay, that makes sense. I must have glanced over and missed that specific
bit of information.

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[Chuck]

Okay, that makes sense. I must have glanced over and missed that specific
bit of information.

It's actually a neat product feature. If I liked SMC as my primary router (I
don't - the firewall and intrusion logging provided by Linksys is better), I
could have the SMC router handle both my DSL and dial-up access. If I did, when
DSL went down, the router would dial-in automatically (that's the actual reason
for having that feature - automatic failover).

 

[gil_happy]

Try this product....

http://www.actiontec.com/products/broadband/dual_pcmodem/index.php

I am going to do a little more research, but I think this will
completely solve your problem. I am going to purchase this for my
parents as they only have dial-up and want to be able to share the
connection.

-Owen

Okay, that makes sense. I must have glanced over and missed that specific
bit of information.

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Richard,

You have to look at the router specs. Dial-up routers have a DB9 port for
a
serial cable, in addition to the Ethernet port, attached to the WAN side
of the
router. You connect a standard full service serial modem to the DB9 port,
and
setup the phonebook entry thru the router management web page. The router
manages the modem just as Dial Up Networking would in Windows, and shares
the
Internet service thru its LAN, just like any other NAT router.

I myself use an SMC7008ABR when my DSL goes out. I hook up my phone line
to the
modem, power the modem and SMC up, and I can be back online in 10 - 15
minutes.
Would be sooner if my ISP didn't occasionally change their phone numbers.

 

[Steve Winograd [MVP]]

Try this product....

http://www.actiontec.com/products/broadband/dual_pcmodem/index.php

I am going to do a little more research, but I think this will
completely solve your problem. I am going to purchase this for my
parents as they only have dial-up and want to be able to share the
connection.

-Owen

I have the Actiontec Dual PC Modem, Owen, and it works fine for
sharing a dial-up Internet service between multiple computers. You
can connect two computers directly to the modem. For more than two
computers, connect an Ethernet switch to one of the modem's two
Ethernet ports, and connect additional computers to the switch.

Note: The dial-up Internet service has to be accessible through a
standard Windows dial-up connection. Non-standard services like
CompuServe and AOL won't work.
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addressed directly to me in E-mail or news groups.

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[Richard G. Harper]

I'd love to but I don't have a problem. Someone else did.

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Try this product....

http://www.actiontec.com/products/broadband/dual_pcmodem/index.php

I am going to do a little more research, but I think this will
completely solve your problem. I am going to purchase this for my
parents as they only have dial-up and want to be able to share the
connection.

-Owen

Okay, that makes sense. I must have glanced over and missed that
specific
bit of information.

--
Richard G. Harper [MVP Shell/User] (e-mail address removed)
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* for the benefit of all. Private mail is usually not replied to.
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On Sat, 28 Jan 2006 16:44:00 -0500, "Richard G. Harper"
<[email protected]>
wrote:

You're confusing me, Chuck. Granted, that's not difficult most days;
but
how exactly is a garden-variety router going to share a dial-up ICS
connection? I looked at your referenced web page and it keeps saying
"Ethernet-based" and that just ain't what we're talking about here.

Richard,

You have to look at the router specs. Dial-up routers have a DB9 port
for
a
serial cable, in addition to the Ethernet port, attached to the WAN
side
of the
router. You connect a standard full service serial modem to the DB9
port,
and
setup the phonebook entry thru the router management web page. The
router
manages the modem just as Dial Up Networking would in Windows, and
shares
the
Internet service thru its LAN, just like any other NAT router.

I myself use an SMC7008ABR when my DSL goes out. I hook up my phone
line
to the
modem, power the modem and SMC up, and I can be back online in 10 - 15
minutes.
Would be sooner if my ISP didn't occasionally change their phone
numbers.

 

[Chuck]

Okay, that makes sense. I must have glanced over and missed that specific
bit of information.

--
Richard G. Harper [MVP Shell/User] (e-mail address removed)
* PLEASE post all messages and replies in the newsgroups
* for the benefit of all. Private mail is usually not replied to.
* My website, such as it is ... http://rgharper.mvps.org/
* HELP us help YOU ... http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm

On Sat, 28 Jan 2006 16:44:00 -0500, "Richard G. Harper"
<[email protected]>
wrote:

You're confusing me, Chuck. Granted, that's not difficult most days; but
how exactly is a garden-variety router going to share a dial-up ICS
connection? I looked at your referenced web page and it keeps saying
"Ethernet-based" and that just ain't what we're talking about here.

Richard,

You have to look at the router specs. Dial-up routers have a DB9 port for
a
serial cable, in addition to the Ethernet port, attached to the WAN side
of the
router. You connect a standard full service serial modem to the DB9 port,
and
setup the phonebook entry thru the router management web page. The router
manages the modem just as Dial Up Networking would in Windows, and shares
the
Internet service thru its LAN, just like any other NAT router.

I myself use an SMC7008ABR when my DSL goes out. I hook up my phone line
to the
modem, power the modem and SMC up, and I can be back online in 10 - 15
minutes.
Would be sooner if my ISP didn't occasionally change their phone numbers.

Try this product....

http://www.actiontec.com/products/broadband/dual_pcmodem/index.php

I am going to do a little more research, but I think this will
completely solve your problem. I am going to purchase this for my
parents as they only have dial-up and want to be able to share the
connection.

That's an excellent solution, as long as there's no possibility of broadband in
the future. And, as Steve indicates, AOL or another non-standard dial-up
connection, is not involved.
# If broadband is ever involved, a separate modem and router, the latter with an
Ethernet connection also available, makes a more effective solution.
# If AOL or other non-standard provider is involved, either get a standard
provider, or continue to use ICS.

 

[jimbo]

Richard,

My point is that you don't need ICS at all, and you're better off NOT using it.
ICS was developed as a workaround. A router, that can do the job of ICS, is a
far better solution:
# Manage a dial-up modem.
# Provide NAT functionality.
<http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/ics-is-ok-but-you-can-do-better.html>
http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/ics-is-ok-but-you-can-do-better.html

We don't recommend using ICS to share Ethernet based Internet service (ie
broadband thru an Ethernet capable modem). Why recommend ICS to share dial-up
(unless it's some crappy service that requires a proprietary dialer installed on
the computer)?

I'm convinced that the Geek Squad has a cute name and that's it.

Very good reference. I have used a router with dial-up for many years.
My problem was finding a router that had a DB9 port for the modem. I
have used the Netgear FWG114P and the SMC7004ABR from your list and
the D-link DI-804HV wired. All do just fine with an external modem. I
have used the Zoom 4039C and a CNet both 56K, V.92.

jimbo

 

[Chuck]

Very good reference. I have used a router with dial-up for many years.
My problem was finding a router that had a DB9 port for the modem. I
have used the Netgear FWG114P and the SMC7004ABR from your list and
the D-link DI-804HV wired. All do just fine with an external modem. I
have used the Zoom 4039C and a CNet both 56K, V.92.

jimbo

Thanks for the feedback, Jimbo.

 

[oconweld]

Chuck, just want to see if this thread is still alive. I am total
newbie at using forums/newsgroups, so I'll apologize ahead for
ignorance. I am in exactly same place as 'blackmon', so I have tried
to read blogs and forum carefully. trying to figure out difference
between DB-9 port and RS-232? Also, pretty sure your answer is 'yes',
but would my modem installed in either machine be considered a Winmodem
( as compared to a serial modem)? I've looked for good source of
information for a long time and finally found this today. BB geeks
sent me home w/ Linksys WRT54G with my understanding the best way
would be file share, etc. w/ wireless, and plug one machine or other
into phone jack for dial up. This all certainly sounds much better. I
appreciate the advise very much. What happened to blackmon?

 

[Chuck]

Chuck, just want to see if this thread is still alive. I am total
newbie at using forums/newsgroups, so I'll apologize ahead for
ignorance. I am in exactly same place as 'blackmon', so I have tried
to read blogs and forum carefully. trying to figure out difference
between DB-9 port and RS-232? Also, pretty sure your answer is 'yes',
but would my modem installed in either machine be considered a Winmodem
( as compared to a serial modem)? I've looked for good source of
information for a long time and finally found this today. BB geeks
sent me home w/ Linksys WRT54G with my understanding the best way
would be file share, etc. w/ wireless, and plug one machine or other
into phone jack for dial up. This all certainly sounds much better. I
appreciate the advise very much. What happened to blackmon?

This thread has been hijacked so much, I'd be surprised if the OP is anywhere
near it. Let us help you, state your problem on its own, let us decide if you
have the same problem. You would be far better off starting a new thread,
rather than posting in an old and overused one.
<http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/how-to-post-on-usenet-and-encourage.html#Hijacking>
http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/how-to-post-on-usenet-and-encourage.html#Hijacking