determining speed using window xp

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Cynanthis

hello, As i am searching options for a new/gently used lapop, what is the
term used for processor speed . I have a 2 yr old laptop running home XP. My
laptop has only 512 ram and 80 GB HD...Now I am looking for another laptop
for a fam member who will need plenty of memory for graphics/photos/ etc
sometime in the near future. Can you define briefly processor speed and what
it does? plus HD and Ram. . Is the GHZ number the one that determines how
fast the unit functions? simple explanations are greatly appreciated. thank
you in advance.
 
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Ken Blake, MVP

hello, As i am searching options for a new/gently used lapop, what is the
term used for processor speed .


"Term" Do you mean "what unit is it measured in"? Usually in GHz.

I have a 2 yr old laptop running home XP. My
laptop has only 512 ram and 80 GB HD...Now I am looking for another laptop
for a fam member who will need plenty of memory for graphics/photos/ etc
sometime in the near future. Can you define briefly processor speed and what
it does?


To put it very briefly and perhaps overly simplistically, it's the
speed at which the computer "thinks."



The size of the hard drive determines how much data, of all types, you
can put on it. Think of it as a file cabinet. A bigger file cabinet
can hold more and bigger files.



RAM is the work space the computer does it computing in. First,
Windows (at least part of it) loads into RAM. Then, in order to run a
program that processes a file, you need to load the program and the
file into RAM.

If you don't have enough RAM for all the programs and files you are
using, some parts of the program and files will get written to the
hard drive instead. This is called "paging." When you page, some of
RAM that isn't in current use goes written to the page file, then read
back in when it is needed again. Paging is done at the mechanical
speed of the hard drive, and is very slow compared to the electronic
speed of the computer.

So the more you page, the slower your computer will be. And the more
RAM you have (up to some limit that is determined by what you're
doing--what programs you run) the less you page, and the faster your
computer will be. For someone doing "graphics/photos/ etc" in Windows
Vista, you should have at least 2GB of RAM. 3GB would probably be
significantly better.


Is the GHZ number the one that determines how
fast the unit functions?


It's *one* of the things. Unfortunately there are several components
to speed, and how they interact--which is more important for a
particular user, and at a particular time--isn't always easy to
determine. As explained above, how much RAM you have is also a factor.
The speed of the hard drive (not its size) determines how quickly you
can get programs and data in and out of RAM, and is also a factor. And
the speed of the video card determines how quickly images can be drawn
on the screen.

There are other speed related factors too, such as whether you have a
single processor or a dual one, how much cache you have, and how fast
the RAM transfers data.

Finally, what operating system you run, and what application programs
you run also can have a dramatic effect on speed.
 
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Maximus the Mad

hello, As i am searching options for a new/gently used lapop, what
is the term used for processor speed . I have a 2 yr old laptop
running home XP. My laptop has only 512 ram and 80 GB HD...Now I
am looking for another laptop for a fam member who will need
plenty of memory for graphics/photos/ etc sometime in the near
future. Can you define briefly processor speed and what it does?
plus HD and Ram. . Is the GHZ number the one that determines how
fast the unit functions?

Yes,you just anwswered your first question. GHZ is speed of the
processer. 512 mb of RAM is about the least you would want for XP.A
hard drive of 80 GB was fine but now most folks need double that or
more. The processor does the work. RAM is where the actual work is
done. The drive is for storage and also is used for virtual RAM.If
you do not have enough RAM windows will use the drive. Drives are
slower than RAM so the more RAM you have,the less XP has to use the
drive for virtual memory (which is slower than the actual RAM you
have).
 
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Unknown

Some fallacies in your response:
GHz is NOT the speed of the processor.
RAM is NOT where the work is done. RAM is random access memory.
RAM contains the instructions and results of some operations to be done.
The processor does the work ; executes the instructions.
 
S

Sam Hobbs

GHz is a unit of measure that is often used to specify the speed of the
processor. The article "Windows Vista Help: Find your computer's processor
speed" clearly says so; see:

http://windowshelp.microsoft.com/Windows/en-US/Help/010c34ba-8293-4b02-8590-308d5495c2331033.mspx

Yes, RAM is random access memory. That is definitely correct. Whether RAM is
where the work is done or not is a matter of the definition of "where the
work is done". Compared to disk drive memory and other external memory, RAM
is where the data and code is stored for the processor's access. The
processor has relatively direct access to RAM. The following seem relevant.

Add more memory to your computer
http://www.microsoft.com/athome/moredone/addmemory.mspx

RAM, Virtual Memory, Pagefile and all that stuff
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555223

There are many other articles about RAM; see:

http://search.microsoft.com/results.aspx?mkt=en-US&setlang=en-US&q=ram
 
U

Unknown

It is absolutely NOT a measure of a processors speed. It is an advertising
gimmick.
Example: My computer is said to be 3.2 GHz. Do you think 3,200,000,000
operations
can be done per second?
 
M

Maximus the Mad

It is absolutely NOT a measure of a processors speed. It is an
advertising gimmick.
Example: My computer is said to be 3.2 GHz. Do you think
3,200,000,000 operations
can be done per second?

No, but the 3.3 figure is what is used for comparison to the general
public,gimmick or not. The OP was asking for a simple explaination.
You are not helping her to understand. For the OP- here is some light
reading as to what we are talking about now:

http://www.directron.com/fsbguide.html
 
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Ed Metcalfe

Cynanthis said:
hello, As i am searching options for a new/gently used lapop, what is the
term used for processor speed . I have a 2 yr old laptop running home XP.
My laptop has only 512 ram and 80 GB HD...Now I am looking for another
laptop for a fam member who will need plenty of memory for
graphics/photos/ etc sometime in the near future. Can you define briefly
processor speed and what it does? plus HD and Ram. . Is the GHZ number the
one that determines how fast the unit functions? simple explanations are
greatly appreciated. thank you in advance.

The people who have responded that CPU speed is measured in GHz are
referring to the clock speed of the CPU. Whilst this has an effect on CPU
performance it is by no means the only factor. Relying on clock speed alone
to determine the relative performance between two CPUs would be an
over-simplification.

This may be of some use:

http://www.webopedia.com/TERM/C/clock_speed.html

Ed Metcalfe.
 
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Ken Blake, MVP

It is absolutely NOT a measure of a processors speed. It is an advertising
gimmick.


It is certainly a measure of processor speed.

Example: My computer is said to be 3.2 GHz. Do you think 3,200,000,000
operations
can be done per second?


Of course not, because that's not what it's measuring.

However a 3.2GHz processor is twice as fast as a 1.6GHz processor of
the same type. In that sense, it *is* a measure.
 
S

Sam Hobbs

Ed Metcalfe said:
The people who have responded that CPU speed is measured in GHz are
referring to the clock speed of the CPU. Whilst this has an effect on CPU
performance it is by no means the only factor. Relying on clock speed
alone to determine the relative performance between two CPUs would be an
over-simplification.

Yes, but in this context the CPUs are quite comparable using clock speed. If
there is a need to be overly-precise in the manner that Spock is, then this
discussion could quickly become far to complicated for most in this
newsgroup including me and quite irrelevant for this newsgroup. All
Intel/AMD processors currently being sold for use of Windows do essentially
the same thing in each clock cycle, so the frequency of cycles are a
meaningful comparison.

Clock cycles are far less meaningful when the processors are different. IBM
has been saying that for many years before they made the first IBM PC.

Yes, th clock speed is the speeed of a processor cycle. In a CISC processor
many instructions require more than one cycle, so the clock speed does not
specify the number of machine instructions executed per second. It does
however provide a useful comparison among processors of the Pentium
architecture and above.
 
U

Unknown

That is an absolute fallacy. A 3.2 GHz processor is NOT twice as fast as a
1.6GHz processor.
 
K

Ken Blake, MVP

That is an absolute fallacy. A 3.2 GHz processor is NOT twice as fast as a
1.6GHz processor.


Not always, no. But note that I said "of the same type." When they are
the same type, the 3.2 *is* twice as fast.

But of course, having a twice as fast a processor does *not* mean that
the computer is twice as fast.


 
S

Sam Hobbs

Anyone with a negative attitude can always find criticisms such as this. For
the purposes of answering this question, I am confident that Cynanthis does
not care about the details and would prefer that we abandon disagreements
such as this.
 
S

Shenan Stanley

Cynanthis said:
As i am searching options for a new/gently used lapop, what
is the term used for processor speed.
I have a 2 yr old laptop running home XP. My laptop has only
512 ram and 80 GB HD...Now I am looking for another laptop for
a fam member who will need plenty of memory for
graphics/photos/ etc sometime in the near future. Can
you define briefly processor speed and what it does? plus HD and
Ram. . Is the GHZ number the one that determines how fast the unit
functions? simple explanations are greatly appreciated. thank you
in advance.

In deciding what to get in terms of a computer - you have to coinsider all
of the variables. It becomes more and more difficult - but there is a few
general things you can know to get you through.

For the processor speed - the number in front of the "GHz" is not the only
factor and can be misleading. For example:
An Intel Celeron D 352 3.2GHz with 533MHz FSB and 512K L2 Cache CPU will not
be as fast as an Intel® Pentium 4 Prescott Processor 3.2GHz with 800MHz FSB
and 1MB L2 Cache. The 3.2GHz is offset by the amount of L2 Cache and the
Front Side Bus Speed. And that's not even jumping into processors with 2
or 4 cores (just on the Intel side of things.) Multiple cores may/may not
help *now* but could become necessary for the future of where the computer
could be.
http://www.tech-faq.com/cpu-speed.shtml

Memory - that's easy. While you can have too much for your needs - given
the price - it's not a bad thing to over-estimate. As time passes -
programs hog more and more memory resources. If you start out with a lot -
there is less likelyhood you will add more memory before you replace the
system with a new one for some other reason. Windows XP - I recommend 512MB
to 2GB. For Windows Vista - I recommend 1GB to 4GB.
http://www.crucial.com/support/howmuch.aspx

Hard drive size... Realistically, since most computers do not fall below
the 80GB mark any longer as new - this is not a problem unless you specify
and know what you will be using it for. Storing doizens of movies?
Hundreds of REALLY high-resolution (above that your 8.1 megapixel camera
does) pictures? You might need a few hundred GB or 1+TB (Terabyte =
1000GB.) Also realize you should have equivalent external space (external
hard disk drive, burned CDs/DVDs, etc) so you can maintain good backups of
this data.

The video card becomes important if they are playing games or doing heavy
video processing. And heavy does *not* include watching HD movies. We are
talking 3D rendering - where the graphics card actually does ther processing
to generate and enhance what you see on the screen - such as many
multi-player onliune role playing games, etc. Most modern video cards
handle this easily.

Essentially - someone purchasing a computer for the long haul right now
should look to get the fastest CPU speed they can (likely better with
multiple cores - the more the better) with 2+GB of memory and 160+GB of hard
disk space and the equivalent external hard disk drive for off-computer
backups. If playing games (3D games) - the video card can become a factor
in performance.

The way someone speccing out a computer for themselves should do it is list
everything they see themselves doing on it in the next 3-5 years.
Collecting photos, composing music, rendering 3D animations, surfing the
Internet, organizing photos from their camera, editing movies from their
video camera, playing high-end video games, etc. Sometimes they also need
to consider what he other users (if any) will be doing on it. Then - with
all that information in hand - go to someone who knows and ask for 3 levels
of computer specifications (low-end, medium end, high-end) that would cover
all of those needs and make sure that the data produced would be easily
backed up and restored in case of a catastrophe. Then go elsewhere and do
the same. Three places would be best. If they won't do that at the
computer store the person goes to - the computer store is not worth their
time since their business is not worth the computer store's time. Then
decide based on monetary factors and how closely (or not) the specifications
match. Look up unknown terms using an online search engine.

The alternative - have them ask someone they trust and that knows them to
come up with specs and a place to buy and go with that.
 
U

Unknown

With exactly the same processor you are saying the memory speed is twice as
fast on a 3.2 vs 1.6GHz processor.
Impossible.
Ken Blake said:
That is an absolute fallacy. A 3.2 GHz processor is NOT twice as fast as
a
1.6GHz processor.


Not always, no. But note that I said "of the same type." When they are
the same type, the 3.2 *is* twice as fast.

But of course, having a twice as fast a processor does *not* mean that
the computer is twice as fast.
 
U

Unknown

Why are you so confident? Perhaps Cynanthis is learning something. Don't
assume.
If you're not interested, just ignore.
 
U

Unknown

Very well stated!
Shenan Stanley said:
In deciding what to get in terms of a computer - you have to coinsider all
of the variables. It becomes more and more difficult - but there is a few
general things you can know to get you through.

For the processor speed - the number in front of the "GHz" is not the only
factor and can be misleading. For example:
An Intel Celeron D 352 3.2GHz with 533MHz FSB and 512K L2 Cache CPU will
not be as fast as an Intel® Pentium 4 Prescott Processor 3.2GHz with
800MHz FSB and 1MB L2 Cache. The 3.2GHz is offset by the amount of L2
Cache and the Front Side Bus Speed. And that's not even jumping into
processors with 2 or 4 cores (just on the Intel side of things.) Multiple
cores may/may not help *now* but could become necessary for the future of
where the computer could be.
http://www.tech-faq.com/cpu-speed.shtml

Memory - that's easy. While you can have too much for your needs - given
the price - it's not a bad thing to over-estimate. As time passes -
programs hog more and more memory resources. If you start out with a
lot - there is less likelyhood you will add more memory before you replace
the system with a new one for some other reason. Windows XP - I recommend
512MB to 2GB. For Windows Vista - I recommend 1GB to 4GB.
http://www.crucial.com/support/howmuch.aspx

Hard drive size... Realistically, since most computers do not fall below
the 80GB mark any longer as new - this is not a problem unless you specify
and know what you will be using it for. Storing doizens of movies?
Hundreds of REALLY high-resolution (above that your 8.1 megapixel camera
does) pictures? You might need a few hundred GB or 1+TB (Terabyte =
1000GB.) Also realize you should have equivalent external space (external
hard disk drive, burned CDs/DVDs, etc) so you can maintain good backups of
this data.

The video card becomes important if they are playing games or doing heavy
video processing. And heavy does *not* include watching HD movies. We
are talking 3D rendering - where the graphics card actually does ther
processing to generate and enhance what you see on the screen - such as
many multi-player onliune role playing games, etc. Most modern video
cards handle this easily.

Essentially - someone purchasing a computer for the long haul right now
should look to get the fastest CPU speed they can (likely better with
multiple cores - the more the better) with 2+GB of memory and 160+GB of
hard disk space and the equivalent external hard disk drive for
off-computer backups. If playing games (3D games) - the video card can
become a factor in performance.

The way someone speccing out a computer for themselves should do it is
list everything they see themselves doing on it in the next 3-5 years.
Collecting photos, composing music, rendering 3D animations, surfing the
Internet, organizing photos from their camera, editing movies from their
video camera, playing high-end video games, etc. Sometimes they also need
to consider what he other users (if any) will be doing on it. Then - with
all that information in hand - go to someone who knows and ask for 3
levels of computer specifications (low-end, medium end, high-end) that
would cover all of those needs and make sure that the data produced would
be easily backed up and restored in case of a catastrophe. Then go
elsewhere and do the same. Three places would be best. If they won't do
that at the computer store the person goes to - the computer store is not
worth their time since their business is not worth the computer store's
time. Then decide based on monetary factors and how closely (or not) the
specifications match. Look up unknown terms using an online search
engine.

The alternative - have them ask someone they trust and that knows them to
come up with specs and a place to buy and go with that.
 
K

Ken Blake, MVP

With exactly the same processor you are saying the memory speed is twice as
fast on a 3.2 vs 1.6GHz processor.
Impossible.


No, I said nothing about the memory speed. The processor speed is what
we're talking about.

 

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