Deleting a User Account that You Cant Access

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Guest

I had to do a nondestructive system recovery awhile back. Now my computer has
only 120mb of memory. And I believe it's because of a user account that I use
to use before I did the system recovery. This user account has a large amount
of files on it, and I cant delete it. I don't have the option of loggin into
this account because the user account is no longer at the welcome screen or
in the Control Panel's User Account section. The only way I know that this
user account is still on my computer is because I went to C:/Documents &
Settings and saw it there. It wont let me delete it because it says Cannot
Delete: Access Denied. I'm in desperate need for help...
 
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Nepatsfan

Alicia said:
I had to do a nondestructive system recovery awhile back.
Now my computer has only 120mb of memory. And I believe it's
because of a user account that I use to use before I did the
system recovery. This user account has a large amount of
files on it, and I cant delete it. I don't have the option
of loggin into this account because the user account is no
longer at the welcome screen or in the Control Panel's User
Account section. The only way I know that this user account
is still on my computer is because I went to C:/Documents &
Settings and saw it there. It wont let me delete it because
it says Cannot Delete: Access Denied. I'm in desperate need
for help...

You need to take ownership of the files and folders. Take a
look here for the procedure:

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;308421&sd=tech

Nepatsfan
 
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Guest

Thank you. That worked perfectly. I deleted that user account. But I checked
out my memory and I still only have 120mb. That seems odd because there's not
many files or programs on my computer. Does anyone know if the system
recovery effects your computer's virtual memory?
 
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Nepatsfan

Alicia said:
Thank you. That worked perfectly. I deleted that user
account. But I checked out my memory and I still only have
120mb. That seems odd because there's not many files or
programs on my computer. Does anyone know if the system
recovery effects your computer's virtual memory?

You seem to be confusing memory with disk space on your hard
drive. When you deleted those files you would have recovered
space on your hard drive. How much memory your computer has
depends on the amount of RAM that's installed.

Do the following, go to Control Panel and double click on the
System icon. On the General page, look towards the bottom. How
much RAM is listed?

How much memory do you think you should have? Where did you
check your memory and see it as only 120MB?

Why did you have to run the system recovery? What issues were
you dealing with?

Post back with answers to these questions. Also include
information about your computer such as manufacturer, make and
model. Whatever info you can provide will be helpful.

Nepatsfan
 
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Guest

I have a Hewlet Packard HP Pavillion 551 W. I have Windows Xp. I did a system
recovery because my internet wouldn't work and then when windows loaded
nothing would show up. I guess it was do to spyware. Yeah I think I was
getting memory confused with disk space. I keep getting messages that my
virtual memory is low. And I cant install any new programs because it says I
don't have enough space. 1.61 GHz and 120 MB of Ram is what it says.
 
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Nepatsfan

Alicia said:
I have a Hewlet Packard HP Pavillion 551 W. I have Windows
Xp. I did a system recovery because my internet wouldn't
work and then when windows loaded nothing would show up. I
guess it was do to spyware. Yeah I think I was getting
memory confused with disk space. I keep getting messages
that my virtual memory is low. And I cant install any new
programs because it says I don't have enough space. 1.61
GHz and 120 MB of Ram is what it says.

I just checked the HP web site. Your computer comes standard
with 128 MB of RAM. I'm guessing that 8 MB are shared with your
computer's video adapter. That would account for your seeing
120 MB of memory. That said, the amount of memory installed on
your computer barely qualifies as the minimum needed to run
Windows XP. Your computer has two slots available for memory
chips. If at all possible, install at least 256 MB of
additional memory. A 512 MB chip would be even better. Places
like Circuit City, Best Buy and CompUSA often have these items
available after rebates for less than $40 (512 MB) and $20 (256
MB). If you plan on keeping your computer for any length of
time it will be money well spent.

Not to get too technical but since you don't have a lot of
physical RAM, Windows will use a portion of your hard drive as
virtual memory. Not having enough free space on your hard drive
would certainly account for the low virtual memory message.

If you want to read up on virtual memory, take a look at this
article:

As for your hard drive space, go into My Computer and right
click on your C drive. What does it show for Used space, Free
space and Capacity? Post back with that info.
According to HP, your computer comes with a 30 GB hard drive.

Nepatsfan
 
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Guest

Used Space: 20.2 GB
Free Space: 12.0 GB
Capacity: 32.3 GB

Thanks for all the help. ;) What I don't understand is that before I did the
system recovery, my computer ran fine and I had a lot of free space. But,
ever since I did the system recovery, I hardly have any free space. I've done
a defrag, I've done a disk cleanup, and I've deleted files and programs that
weren't needed.
 
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Nepatsfan

Alicia said:
Used Space: 20.2 GB
Free Space: 12.0 GB
Capacity: 32.3 GB

Thanks for all the help. ;) What I don't understand is that
before I did the system recovery, my computer ran fine and I
had a lot of free space. But, ever since I did the system
recovery, I hardly have any free space. I've done a defrag,
I've done a disk cleanup, and I've deleted files and
programs that weren't needed.

You've got 12 GB of free space on your C drive. That's plenty
of space to install new programs. I have no idea why you'd be
getting low disk space error messages.

Here are the only things I can think of suggesting:

1. Contact HP tech support to see if they have any ideas on
what could be causing this problem?

2. Post your question to a newsgroup that gets more traffic
than this one. The Windows XP General newsgroup would be a good
place to start. It can be accessed here:

http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/...rosoft.public.windowsxp.general&lang=en&cr=US

Make sure to mention the make and model of your computer.
Include the fact that you've performed a non destructive system
recovery and are getting low disk space error messages in spite
of having 12 GB of free space on your C drive. The more
information you can provide, the better.

And finally, here's my personal opinion:
Since your non destructive system restore only created a new
set of problems, it may be time to cut your losses, backup all
your important files and start over with a fresh installation.

Sorry I couldn't be of more help.

Nepatsfan
 
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cquirke (MVP Windows shell/user)

On Sun, 19 Jun 2005 15:20:02 -0700, Alicia
I have a Hewlet Packard HP Pavillion 551 W. I have Windows Xp. I did a system
recovery because my internet wouldn't work and then when windows loaded
nothing would show up. I guess it was do to spyware.

Dio you mean System Restore, or re-using HP's "Recovery" (i.e.
"destroy everything and start over") CD?

If you meant the latter, and your XP is old enough to ship with...
120 MB of Ram

....then you'd be stone dead as soon as you get back on the Internet.

See http://cquirke.mvps.org/reinst.htm

The problem is that serious (some would say, unforgivable) weaknesses
were found in NT, or which XP is the current exponent, that allow
malware to enter the PC even if you run no programs at all.

I don't consider it unforgivable that there were such defects in the
code; these things happen, and by then, we should have known that.

What I consider unforgivable is that these defects were exposed to the
Internet, by design. Why does a stand-alone consumer computer have to
wave networking services such as LSASS and RPC at anyone in the world
who wants to take a poke at them? Why are these services entrenched
so deeply that they can't be turned off?

Windows has had problems like these repaired by a constant stream of
small patches, and every now and then these are rolled up into large
Service Packs (SP). SP1 didn't fix these defects AFAIK, but SP2 not
only fixes them, but protects against similar unknown defects by
turning on the firewall. That firewall was always there in XP, but it
was off unless you or your tech or your <ahem> value added system
builder had the clue to turn it on.

So what happens when you "just" re-install Windows?

Well, this is supposed to preserve your settings, so if you had the
firewall up (or an add-on firewall installed) then that would protect
you against these particular defects, but all your repairs to Windows
will be lost. So you'd be a lot more vulnerable than you were before;
it's as if I washed all the germs off your skin but also peeled your
skin off entirely, so you could get eaten alive.

So what happens when you "just" wipe and re-install Windows?

Large OEMs like HP suck in various ways, but one of the worst is that
they don't give you quite the same Windows CD that you'd get from a
generic system builder. Often you can't do the "repair" reinstall
described above, and are forced to wipe and accept the factory's
duhfault install - one big doomed C:, NTFS that makes formal virus
scanning very difficult and data recovery almost impossible, etc.

So after you wipe and rebuild, you lose *everything* - not just
patches and SPs, but firewalls, antivirus, and clueful protective
settings you or your techs may have applied, etc. You'd be left not
only with no skin, but in the middle of the bush and smeared with
honey. Malware tigers; dinner is served.

How to avoid this?

Firstly, DO NOT CONNECT TO ANY NETWORKS, especially the Internet,
WiFi, IR, etc. until you have enabled the firewall on all such
connections. Unless you use WiFi (and personally I would not), keep
that disabled entirely - that's what you need to know; figure out how.

Next, connect to the Internet, and start downloading patches. If
you're on a modem, you're basically stuffed; you'll never get the
whole of SP2 that way (or rather, it would take days, and if you're
paying phone changes, it's a non-starter).

The good news is that you don't have to install SP1 first; you can
just install SP2 and then catch up from there. The even better news
is that you may get SP2 on a CD from MS directly, or from the shop
that sold and <cough> added value to your PC. Delivery time.

Ideally, the patching process should have generated an up-to-date
replacement CDR for you (assuming your PC has a CD writer; from the
128M RAM era, it may be too old). But MS hasn't seem to have thought
of that; it's "just" go online and download everything all over again,
and hope you aren't attacked while trying to do this.
virtual memory is low.

That's the result of totally brain-dead pagefile sizing logic. The
pagefile is HD space you use when you don't have enough RAM to hold
everything you're trying to do at once. Obviously, if your software
load wants 700M of memory, you'd need 200M with 512M RAM, 450M with
256M RAM and 600M with 128M RAM - i.e. the less RAM you have, the more
pagefile you need to get the same load done.

Obviously? Not to the XP programmers, apparently. Perhaps guided by
the space needed to accomodate memory dumps after system crashes -
which is a side-effect use of the pagefile, anyway - they allocate
more pagefile the more RAM you have, and the less RAM you have, the
less pagefile you get. By that logic, it's fastest to have no RAM at
all, because that way everything magically fits into this no-space and
there's no need for paging at all.

So to fix that, first defrag the PC, then set your pagefile to 512M
minimum and leave the max open, or also set to 512M. Things will
still be slow - 128M is criminally small for a modern XP PC, but large
OEMs would so that - but at least they'd work.


Back to getting safe - and this is a very simplified explanation, but
anyway - once you have (1) firewalled, and (2) patched, you need to do
step (3); install and update an antivirus utility (av). Update daily!

Free av is available from Grisoft (AVG), Avast, Anti-Vir and possibly
you'll have special offers from your bank, work or shops. Fee av
tends to die once a year unless you throw money again. Avoid Norton;
I know it's the duhfault choice, retail loves pushing it, and OEMs
sometimes give you a starter version that dies in a few months.

Free firewall is already there, but add-on firewalls can add other
value, such as watching what programs are trying to connect out to the
Internet. That's good if you want to get hands-on with this stuff,
but if you can't be bothered, stay with XP's firewall at least.

Yes, malware can drill through XP's firewall from the inside if they
get to run on your PC, but they also slam down a number of add-on
firewalls, av and other defensive tools anyway.

The final defensive add-on layer is to block, detect and kill
commercial malware (cm), also inaccurately called "spyware" just as
all traditional malware is called "viruses", "worms" or "trojans".
Once again, free tools; Spyware Blaster to block, and AdAware, Spybot
and Microsoft Antispyware Beta to detect and kill.

Final tip in this section: Use multiple tools against commercial
malware (as long as they aren't running at once - the ones I mentioned
don't run all the time, as an av does) but stick to one av and one
firewall. There are a LOT of fake and dubious "anti-spyware" tools
out there that cost money and/or only kill those cm that compete with
whatever cm cronies are punting the fake tool. I stick to those four.


But sometimes the best defences are more subtle; settings within the
programs you use, as well as avoiding programs that are so popular
that everyone attacks them, and/or are simply unsafe by design.

There's a lot you can do in this space, and that's the bulk of what I
do - the firewall's just the "front bumper"and the av is the "goalie
of last resort". Fill the space in between by clue that you teach
your humans as users, and your system as thier proxy.

The more custom settings and defences you apply, the safer you'll be,
but the more you will lose if you ever have to "just" re-install, or
(disasterously) "just" wipe and rebuild from the bulldozer CD.

Eventually, you will most likely come to hate large OEMs, and the
crippled Windows CDs that MS allows them to sell as acceptable within
the "Genuine Advantage" of legality. You may as well start now.


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cquirke (MVP Windows shell/user)

On Sun, 19 Jun 2005 20:44:01 -0700, Alicia
Used Space: 20.2 GB
Free Space: 12.0 GB
Capacity: 32.3 GB

Looks a bit small, that hard drive, doesn't it? Almost like a larger
HD that's jumpered to pretend to be a 32G (a size that doesn't occur
in nature) in deference to an old BIOS that can't read over 32G.

Or perhaps it's 32G C:, more space on other volumes (which is good) or
32G C: and 8G "reserved" for the OEM's tools.

8G is a lot of lools, though.
Thanks for all the help. ;) What I don't understand is that before I did the
system recovery, my computer ran fine and I had a lot of free space. But,
ever since I did the system recovery, I hardly have any free space.

You've got free space; 12G is enough to avoid shrieks of horror from
the OS or anything else. I think I know what the problem is, though.
I've done a defrag, I've done a disk cleanup, and I've deleted files and
programs that weren't needed.

Rt-click on My Computer, click Properties, click Advanced tab, then
the Settings button in the Performance section at the top. From
there, click the middle Advanced tab in the dialog, and look at the
last section, on Virtual Memory.

I'll bet you'll have some pathetically low value there, like 192M - as
if a total of just over 256M is enough memory (i.e. RAM + pagefile) to
everything your Windows and apps need to do.

If so (and it will be, by duuuuhfault), do this:
- click the Change button
- under Custom size, set minimum (initial) to 512M
- for maximum size, set 512M or higher
- OK your way out, expect to be prompted to restart Windows

The answer's in my last post as well, I know, but that was a LONG post
and you might just not read it to the very end (been known to happen)



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