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Markus Eßmayr
Hello to the defragmentation-tool-developer-team,
please please add some progress information to the tool.
Thanks very much!
Max
please please add some progress information to the tool.
Thanks very much!
Max
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Paul Smith
Markus Eßmayr said:Hello to the defragmentation-tool-developer-team,
please please add some progress information to the tool.
Thanks very much!
The built-in defragmenter is very much more of a background process, most
users won't ever open the UI. Even if it did have a progress bar, they're
very rarely accurate.
--
Paul Smith,
Yeovil, UK.
Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User.
http://www.dasmirnov.net/blog/
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Markus Eßmayr
Well, I see.
As I have disabled the background defragmenting, I run the whole thing
manually from time to time and so it would be quite nice to see a bit more
of what's going on.
Would you recommend to use another defragmentation tool?
Maybe there are some out there (maybe Freeware) that offer some
visualization.
Max
As I have disabled the background defragmenting, I run the whole thing
manually from time to time and so it would be quite nice to see a bit more
of what's going on.
Would you recommend to use another defragmentation tool?
Maybe there are some out there (maybe Freeware) that offer some
visualization.
Max
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Richard Urban
Most people have better things to do with their time than sit and watch
little boxes or bars being shifted around.
The Vista defragmenter is a background service that does what must be done -
when your computer is idle. It needs no interaction from you and is
sufficient for the task.
little boxes or bars being shifted around.
The Vista defragmenter is a background service that does what must be done -
when your computer is idle. It needs no interaction from you and is
sufficient for the task.
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Mikep
Richard Urban said:Most people have better things to do with their time than sit and watch
little boxes or bars being shifted around.
The Vista defragmenter is a background service that does what must be
done - when your computer is idle. It needs no interaction from you and is
sufficient for the task.
What I dislike is looking at the task schedular event log and see that the
defrag aborted because it ran more than 3 days. And I can see it start and
stop during each of the last 3 days. But I have no clue as to what it did.
Is it caught in a loop?
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Mark
If you want to see what's going on for free Auslogics is good. I use
Diskeeper which is not free but has a very nice interface with lots of
options like offline defrag, and automatic defrag. It's a top-notch program
and works great. It does have a full function free trial.
Mark
Diskeeper which is not free but has a very nice interface with lots of
options like offline defrag, and automatic defrag. It's a top-notch program
and works great. It does have a full function free trial.
Mark
M
Mark
Why is it so hard to understand what this person wants. A lot of people want
to see what is going on.
Mark
to see what is going on.
Mark
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Tom Lake
Richard Urban said:Most people have better things to do with their time than sit and watch little
boxes or bars being shifted around.
The Vista defragmenter is a background service that does what must be done - when
your computer is idle. It needs no interaction from you and is sufficient for the
task.
How about Microsoft letting *US* decide what we want to see or not see?
They could add an option to run in either GUI mode or in background mode.
I don't like companies (or governments or other people for that matter)
deciding what I should be allowed to see.
Tom Lake
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LesleyO
I'm with you, Mark. Have been using Diskeeper for several years, now, on
several units - it's efficient and reliable, and I love being able to
customize when it does its thing and how often. I have it defragging my
tower's drives and my USB drive as well, in the wee small hours when I'm
asleep.
LesleyO
several units - it's efficient and reliable, and I love being able to
customize when it does its thing and how often. I have it defragging my
tower's drives and my USB drive as well, in the wee small hours when I'm
asleep.
LesleyO
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Richard Urban
The fact remains that a greater proportion of people "never" manually
defragged their hard drives because they couldn't be "bothered" or didn't
know it should be done. So Microsoft went this way. At least the job gets
done.
Want a picture - buy a 3rd party tool!
defragged their hard drives because they couldn't be "bothered" or didn't
know it should be done. So Microsoft went this way. At least the job gets
done.
Want a picture - buy a 3rd party tool!
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Richard Urban
Oh for gods sake. It their product. They can design it the way they want.
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DevilsPGD
In message <[email protected]> "LesleyO "
So with your love of being able to customize, you configure it to do
exactly what Vista's built in defrag already does by default?
Oh, and in case you didn't notice, you can reschedule Vista's defrag
tool as well, should you be so inclined.
I'm with you, Mark. Have been using Diskeeper for several years, now, on
several units - it's efficient and reliable, and I love being able to
customize when it does its thing and how often. I have it defragging my
tower's drives and my USB drive as well, in the wee small hours when I'm
asleep.
So with your love of being able to customize, you configure it to do
exactly what Vista's built in defrag already does by default?
Oh, and in case you didn't notice, you can reschedule Vista's defrag
tool as well, should you be so inclined.
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SG
exactly what Vista's built in defrag already does by default?<<<
And that is?
Do you know 100% that the MS version of Defrag works better than a 3rd.
party app?
If someone wants to set and watch defrag work the that's their business. I
personally use
PerfectDisk2008 and is superior to the MS version. I ran the MS version
first then ran PerfectDisk2008 and was very surprised how much more
PerfectDisk2008 found that needed more defragging. Yes I'm very aware they
all do things differently, but IMO the MS version lacks a lot.
http://www.raxco.com/products/downloadit/
Try before you buy.
--
All the best,
SG
Is your computer system ready for Vista?
https://winqual.microsoft.com/hcl/
And that is?
Do you know 100% that the MS version of Defrag works better than a 3rd.
party app?
If someone wants to set and watch defrag work the that's their business. I
personally use
PerfectDisk2008 and is superior to the MS version. I ran the MS version
first then ran PerfectDisk2008 and was very surprised how much more
PerfectDisk2008 found that needed more defragging. Yes I'm very aware they
all do things differently, but IMO the MS version lacks a lot.
http://www.raxco.com/products/downloadit/
Try before you buy.
--
All the best,
SG
Is your computer system ready for Vista?
https://winqual.microsoft.com/hcl/
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DevilsPGD
In message <[email protected]> "SG"
No. Do you know 100% that other versions work better, and if so, does
it save enough time to justify it's cost?
The "do things differently" can be important, there are several
different concepts that get lumped into "defragmentation" (or more
rightly, optimization)
Different tools can be built on different optimization theories and
algorithms with regards to optimization, and will report other tools'
optimized results as being less then optimal. No one method or
algorithm is ideal for all users, all usage patterns, all of the time.
This doesn't mean that it's impossible or even difficult to compare
tools or results, but rather, that you cannot look at what one tool's
analysis reports to evaluate another defragmentation tool.
Do you know 100% that the MS version of Defrag works better than a 3rd.
party app?
No. Do you know 100% that other versions work better, and if so, does
it save enough time to justify it's cost?
If someone wants to set and watch defrag work the that's their business. I
personally use
PerfectDisk2008 and is superior to the MS version. I ran the MS version
first then ran PerfectDisk2008 and was very surprised how much more
PerfectDisk2008 found that needed more defragging. Yes I'm very aware they
all do things differently, but IMO the MS version lacks a lot.
The "do things differently" can be important, there are several
different concepts that get lumped into "defragmentation" (or more
rightly, optimization)
Different tools can be built on different optimization theories and
algorithms with regards to optimization, and will report other tools'
optimized results as being less then optimal. No one method or
algorithm is ideal for all users, all usage patterns, all of the time.
This doesn't mean that it's impossible or even difficult to compare
tools or results, but rather, that you cannot look at what one tool's
analysis reports to evaluate another defragmentation tool.
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f/fgeorge
In message <[email protected]> "SG"
No. Do you know 100% that other versions work better, and if so, does
it save enough time to justify it's cost?
The "do things differently" can be important, there are several
different concepts that get lumped into "defragmentation" (or more
rightly, optimization)
Different tools can be built on different optimization theories and
algorithms with regards to optimization, and will report other tools'
optimized results as being less then optimal. No one method or
algorithm is ideal for all users, all usage patterns, all of the time.
This doesn't mean that it's impossible or even difficult to compare
tools or results, but rather, that you cannot look at what one tool's
analysis reports to evaluate another defragmentation tool.
Try www.auslogic.com it has a VERY good defragmenter and it is free.
It works on Win2k, XP and Vista, so should cover all your pc's.
Significantly faster than Vistas built in one.
C
Charles W Davis
Since the defragmenter in my Vista system runs in the background and I havef/fgeorge said:Try www.auslogic.com it has a VERY good defragmenter and it is free.
It works on Win2k, XP and Vista, so should cover all your pc's.
Significantly faster than Vistas built in one.
never noticed it. Why would I want any thing faster? So the background can
sit idle?
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SG
While you are at work I shall come and pick up your automobile, work on it
and never tell you what was done. I shall come to your home, fix things that
I feel needed fixed my way, but you shall never know. I will do these things
in the background, so don't worry you will never know. See Charles it's not
that MS Defrag doesn't do an reasonable job, for many it does, but for many
as myself it doesn't. I like more control of what goes on behind the scenes
and I do not or better yet will not allow any Vendor, MS or whomever to run
any Defrag program in the background and "trust" what they believe is best
for everyone.
I prefer PerfectDisk 2008 Professional
It is certified by Microsoft, ensuring the highest standards of quality. As
a Microsoft Gold Certified Partner and member of the Microsoft Developers
Network, Raxco maintains a close partnership with MS to ensure ongoing
quality and compatibility.
If defragmenter in your Vista is doing what you want it to do and you are
satisfied then by all means stick to it, not a thing wrong with that. As I
said for me it's more control and better options as to why I made the change
and I'm glad I did.
--
All the best,
SG
Is your computer system ready for Vista?
https://winqual.microsoft.com/hcl/
SNIPPED
Since the defragmenter in my Vista system runs in the background and I have
never noticed it. Why would I want any thing faster? So the background can
sit idle?
and never tell you what was done. I shall come to your home, fix things that
I feel needed fixed my way, but you shall never know. I will do these things
in the background, so don't worry you will never know. See Charles it's not
that MS Defrag doesn't do an reasonable job, for many it does, but for many
as myself it doesn't. I like more control of what goes on behind the scenes
and I do not or better yet will not allow any Vendor, MS or whomever to run
any Defrag program in the background and "trust" what they believe is best
for everyone.
I prefer PerfectDisk 2008 Professional
It is certified by Microsoft, ensuring the highest standards of quality. As
a Microsoft Gold Certified Partner and member of the Microsoft Developers
Network, Raxco maintains a close partnership with MS to ensure ongoing
quality and compatibility.
If defragmenter in your Vista is doing what you want it to do and you are
satisfied then by all means stick to it, not a thing wrong with that. As I
said for me it's more control and better options as to why I made the change
and I'm glad I did.
--
All the best,
SG
Is your computer system ready for Vista?
https://winqual.microsoft.com/hcl/
SNIPPED
Since the defragmenter in my Vista system runs in the background and I have
never noticed it. Why would I want any thing faster? So the background can
sit idle?
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Richard Urban
There is no waiting. If you want to shut down your computer - go ahead and
do it. The defragmenting will continue when you next boot the computer.
Again, unless a person is anal and gets turned on by watching little colors
move around there is no reason to have a display - as long as the job gets
done.
But, some people like to watch grass grow and paint dry also!
do it. The defragmenting will continue when you next boot the computer.
Again, unless a person is anal and gets turned on by watching little colors
move around there is no reason to have a display - as long as the job gets
done.
But, some people like to watch grass grow and paint dry also!
S
SG
Richard,
That's your opinion and you are for sure entitled to it, however, that's
your view and myself and others disagree. It's not a matter of watching
little colors move around nor do I think anyone gets turned on by it, that's
a pretty silly comment. If YOU trust a program such as MS Defrag to run in
the background never knowing how or even if it's doing an adequate job then
by all means go for it, I don't. I ran MS Defrag for awhile until I tried a
few 3rd party Defrag programs and the one I settled with was PerfectDisk
2008. You made the comment in another post "At least the job gets done" are
you sure? and if it does to what degree does the job get done? nothing to
see, so how does one know? If I want a program to run I'll be the one to
decide what and when it runs, not MS.
--
All the best,
SG
Is your computer system ready for Vista?
https://winqual.microsoft.com/hcl/
That's your opinion and you are for sure entitled to it, however, that's
your view and myself and others disagree. It's not a matter of watching
little colors move around nor do I think anyone gets turned on by it, that's
a pretty silly comment. If YOU trust a program such as MS Defrag to run in
the background never knowing how or even if it's doing an adequate job then
by all means go for it, I don't. I ran MS Defrag for awhile until I tried a
few 3rd party Defrag programs and the one I settled with was PerfectDisk
2008. You made the comment in another post "At least the job gets done" are
you sure? and if it does to what degree does the job get done? nothing to
see, so how does one know? If I want a program to run I'll be the one to
decide what and when it runs, not MS.
--
All the best,
SG
Is your computer system ready for Vista?
https://winqual.microsoft.com/hcl/
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Dave
I agree with Richard. Windows defrag does an adequate job for me. I've run
a couple of other programs, and they indicate to me that I don't need to run
them. But, as to "knowing", how do we really know that PerfectDisk, et al
are telling us the truth? If you pay for a program, is it more accurate, or
more honest? I've always suspected that many programs, like
anti-spyware,etc. always find "something", to justify us using them.
As long as I'm satisfied with the disk performance, I'm fine with MS Defrag.
a couple of other programs, and they indicate to me that I don't need to run
them. But, as to "knowing", how do we really know that PerfectDisk, et al
are telling us the truth? If you pay for a program, is it more accurate, or
more honest? I've always suspected that many programs, like
anti-spyware,etc. always find "something", to justify us using them.
As long as I'm satisfied with the disk performance, I'm fine with MS Defrag.
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