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Doug
I have diskkeeper. How can I get Microsoft defrag?
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DrJoel
It is installed on your Windows machine. Do this:Doug said:I have diskkeeper. How can I get Microsoft defrag?
Start>Programs>Accessories>System Tools and it is listed there.
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Ken Blake, MVP
Doug said:I have diskkeeper. How can I get Microsoft defrag?
Your having Diskkeeper is irrelevant. Diskkeeper is a third-party tool that
you can use instead of the built-in Windows defragmenter, or not, as you
prefer.
Whether or not Diskkeeper (or any third-party defrag tool) is installed, the
Windows defragmenter can be accessed from Start | Programs | Accessories |
System Tools | Disk Defragmenter.
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Mike Hall \(MS-MVP\)
Ken
Executive Software's Diskeeper takes over from XP Defrag..
Executive Software's Diskeeper takes over from XP Defrag..
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Doug
Microsoft Defrag is not on my computer. When I run Diskeeper it gives me an
error that it cant run on this machine.
error that it cant run on this machine.
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Doug
I did a search and did what this site said to do and it fixed my diskeeper.
I still would rather have the plain Microsoft defrfag.
http://www.andreasroom.com/blog/archive/2004/01/18/defrag.aspx
I still would rather have the plain Microsoft defrfag.
http://www.andreasroom.com/blog/archive/2004/01/18/defrag.aspx
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MAP
Doug said:I did a search and did what this site said to do and it fixed my
diskeeper. I still would rather have the plain Microsoft defrfag.
http://www.andreasroom.com/blog/archive/2004/01/18/defrag.aspx
Why?
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Mike Hall \(MS-MVP\)
Diskeeper is a much more accomplished Defrag than the basic MS offering.. I
seem to remember somebody telling me that Diskeeper was in fact the
'parent', that MS Defrag is a cut down version of it.. maybe somebody could
confirm this, one way or the other..
seem to remember somebody telling me that Diskeeper was in fact the
'parent', that MS Defrag is a cut down version of it.. maybe somebody could
confirm this, one way or the other..
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Ken Blake, MVP
Mike said:Executive Software's Diskeeper takes over from XP Defrag..
What do you mean by "takes over"? Are you saying that if Diskkeeper is
installed, Windows Defrag is automatically uninstalled? Why would it do
that?
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Mike Hall \(MS-MVP\)
Ken
I don't think that it is so much a case of XP defrag being uninstalled so
much as Diskeeper takes over it's rightful place.. I am sure that I read
some time ago that XP Defrag is a cut down version of Diskeeper, that MS
hold a license to use the cut down version..
I haven't ever thought to uninstall Diskeeper to find out whether or not XP
Defrag reappears.. why would I do that as Diskeeper is by far the better
product?..
I don't think that it is so much a case of XP defrag being uninstalled so
much as Diskeeper takes over it's rightful place.. I am sure that I read
some time ago that XP Defrag is a cut down version of Diskeeper, that MS
hold a license to use the cut down version..
I haven't ever thought to uninstall Diskeeper to find out whether or not XP
Defrag reappears.. why would I do that as Diskeeper is by far the better
product?..
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Ken Blake, MVP
Mike said:I don't think that it is so much a case of XP defrag being
uninstalled so much as Diskeeper takes over it's rightful place..
OK, if you say so. It still seems odd to me, but I'll defer to your
obviously superior knowledge of it.
I
am sure that I read some time ago that XP Defrag is a cut down
version of Diskeeper, that MS hold a license to use the cut down
version..
That's my understanding as well, although I can't confirm it for sure.
I haven't ever thought to uninstall Diskeeper to find out whether or
not XP Defrag reappears.. why would I do that
I didn't suggest that you should.
as Diskeeper is by far
the better product?..
I don't use it myself (I use Perfect Disk), but I'm sure that you're right.
In fact, it's probably safe to say that almost every third-party defragger
is a better one than what comes with Windows. The same is true of
third-party alternatives in most categories of utilities. It's unlikely that
someone would be successful in selling (or even try to sell) Windows XP
users a product that's inferior to what they already have for free.
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Greg Hayes/Raxco Software
Back when Windows 2000 was under development (shortly after the dinosaurs
became extinct) , Microsoft licensed some "older" technology from Executive
Software (now called Diskeeper Corporation) to use as the basis for the
built-in defragmenter in Windows 2000. That is why you see a lot of
similarities between the built-in defragmenter and Diskeeper.
With Windows XP, the built-in defragmenter development was strickly
Microsoft - even though if you click on Help/About, it still references
Executive Software. Kind of like if you run IE and click on Help/About and
it mentions NCSA Mosaic.
The built-in defragmenter and the full version of Diskeeper are NOT the same
thing. The full version of Diskeeper is better in certain ways than the
built-in defragmenter - including network/remote management ability and
scheduling. However, they still share many of the same limitations -
multi-pass, high free space requirement, in-effective free space
consolidation, etc...
- Greg/Raxco Software
Microsoft MVP - Windows File System
Disclaimer: I work for Raxco Software, the maker of PerfectDisk - a
commercial defrag utility, as a systems engineer in the support department.
Want to email me? Delete ntloader.
became extinct) , Microsoft licensed some "older" technology from Executive
Software (now called Diskeeper Corporation) to use as the basis for the
built-in defragmenter in Windows 2000. That is why you see a lot of
similarities between the built-in defragmenter and Diskeeper.
With Windows XP, the built-in defragmenter development was strickly
Microsoft - even though if you click on Help/About, it still references
Executive Software. Kind of like if you run IE and click on Help/About and
it mentions NCSA Mosaic.
The built-in defragmenter and the full version of Diskeeper are NOT the same
thing. The full version of Diskeeper is better in certain ways than the
built-in defragmenter - including network/remote management ability and
scheduling. However, they still share many of the same limitations -
multi-pass, high free space requirement, in-effective free space
consolidation, etc...
- Greg/Raxco Software
Microsoft MVP - Windows File System
Disclaimer: I work for Raxco Software, the maker of PerfectDisk - a
commercial defrag utility, as a systems engineer in the support department.
Want to email me? Delete ntloader.
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Mike Hall \(MS-MVP\)
Greg
Please note that I never said that they were the same thing, but there is no
question that Diskeeper effectively prevents XP Defrag from appearing.. that
is not necessarily a bad thhing..
Please note that I never said that they were the same thing, but there is no
question that Diskeeper effectively prevents XP Defrag from appearing.. that
is not necessarily a bad thhing..
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Ken Blake, MVP
Mike said:Greg
Please note that I never said that they were the same thing, but
there is no question that Diskeeper effectively prevents XP Defrag
from appearing.. that is not necessarily a bad thhing..
I don't agree. As much as I think Diskkeeper, or any third-party defrag
program, is better than the built-in one, I think what Diskkeeper does *is*
a bad thing. It's fine for an installation of a program to make itself
available as a choice, but I don't think any third-party program should take
away the option of running the built-in Windows program.
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Mike Hall \(MS-MVP\)
Ken
It may well be possible to un-install Diskeeper and have XP Defrag return to
normal.. I just haven't tried it..
It may well be possible to un-install Diskeeper and have XP Defrag return to
normal.. I just haven't tried it..
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Trevor L.
It's fine for an installation of a
program to make itself available as a choice, but I don't think any
third-party program should take away the option of running the
built-in Windows program.
Exactly the same thing happens with Process Explorer from
www.sysinternals.com
Once you install it, it behaves in exactly the same way as Task Manager. For
example, Ctrl-Alt-Del invokes Process Explorers, not Task Manager.
But that's fine. It was a deliberate choice to install it, so that's what
one would expect.
Task Manager has not been deleted from the system. It's just that you have
to know where it is in order to invoke it. In fact, I have forgotten where
it is - I would have to search for it. Presumably it is somewhere like
C:\Windows\System32
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Ramesh, MS-MVP
If the option "Replace Task Manager" is enabled in Process Explorer options,
then it attaches to Task Manager as a debugger. This means that Process
Explorer would start whenever you use the CTRL+ALT+DEL sequence. The result
would be the same even if you launch taskmgr.exe directly from the System32
folder.
http://geekswithblogs.net/ssimakov/archive/2005/03/22/26930.aspx
BTW, the "Replace Task Manager" option is not enabled by default.
--
Ramesh, Microsoft MVP
Windows XP Shell/User
Windows XP Troubleshooting
http://www.winhelponline.com
Exactly the same thing happens with Process Explorer from
www.sysinternals.com
Once you install it, it behaves in exactly the same way as Task Manager. For
example, Ctrl-Alt-Del invokes Process Explorers, not Task Manager.
But that's fine. It was a deliberate choice to install it, so that's what
one would expect.
Task Manager has not been deleted from the system. It's just that you have
to know where it is in order to invoke it. In fact, I have forgotten where
it is - I would have to search for it. Presumably it is somewhere like
C:\Windows\System32
then it attaches to Task Manager as a debugger. This means that Process
Explorer would start whenever you use the CTRL+ALT+DEL sequence. The result
would be the same even if you launch taskmgr.exe directly from the System32
folder.
http://geekswithblogs.net/ssimakov/archive/2005/03/22/26930.aspx
BTW, the "Replace Task Manager" option is not enabled by default.
--
Ramesh, Microsoft MVP
Windows XP Shell/User
Windows XP Troubleshooting
http://www.winhelponline.com
It's fine for an installation of a
program to make itself available as a choice, but I don't think any
third-party program should take away the option of running the
built-in Windows program.
Exactly the same thing happens with Process Explorer from
www.sysinternals.com
Once you install it, it behaves in exactly the same way as Task Manager. For
example, Ctrl-Alt-Del invokes Process Explorers, not Task Manager.
But that's fine. It was a deliberate choice to install it, so that's what
one would expect.
Task Manager has not been deleted from the system. It's just that you have
to know where it is in order to invoke it. In fact, I have forgotten where
it is - I would have to search for it. Presumably it is somewhere like
C:\Windows\System32
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