DDR2 for 64 bit solution?

[Philburg2]

My friend was building a new 64-bit rig and he wanted to know what ram to
use. I said he probably needed ddr2, but to my surprise I can't find a
single board that supports it. Are there any 64-bit chipsets that support
ddr 2 yet? If no, when are they coming as I really haven't heard anything
about it?

 

[Derek Baker]

My friend was building a new 64-bit rig and he wanted to know what ram to
use. I said he probably needed ddr2, but to my surprise I can't find a
single board that supports it. Are there any 64-bit chipsets that support
ddr 2 yet? If no, when are they coming as I really haven't heard anything
about it?

If you mean an AMD 64 bit processor, then no. With these chips it's the CPU
itself that dictates the memory used not the chipset. It's DDR until at
least next year.

 

[Yadayada]

My friend was building a new 64-bit rig and he wanted to know what ram to
use. I said he probably needed ddr2, but to my surprise I can't find a
single board that supports it. Are there any 64-bit chipsets that support
ddr 2 yet? If no, when are they coming as I really haven't heard anything
about it?

AMD will most likely (hopefully) skip the entire DDR2 generation. It would
be nothing but a useless cost increase having to make new cores for no
performance gain. The memory controller on an A64 is on the processor
itself, not the board. DDR2 is quickly going the way of RIMMs ... they will
soon be very expensive and hard to find because no one will be using them.
Intel jumped the gun on something that looked good on paper again but had no
real world gain launching DDR2 chipsets.

 

[Reggie Dunbar]

I read AMD will skip DDR2 entirely and focus on new technology.

 

[Derek Baker]

I read AMD will skip DDR2 entirely and focus on new technology.

Earlier today I read they wouldn't:

'DDR2 support will first be demonstrated with prototype boards for the 1
MByte L2-version of the Athlon 64 in August of this year with the FX and 12
x 1 MByte Athlon64 X2 (Toledo) following in September. Mass production
support for DDR2 is scheduled to arrive in the second quarter of 2006.'

http://www.tomshardware.com/hardnews/20050504_145314.html

Not that I'm claiming they're necessarily correct.

 

[Philburg2]

Great, now im really confused!
I guess im a little surprised that the cpu dictates the ram.
But since AMD is making their dual core chips, maybe they'll use DDR2 with
those?

 

[Derek Baker]

Great, now im really confused!
I guess im a little surprised that the cpu dictates the ram.
But since AMD is making their dual core chips, maybe they'll use DDR2 with
those?

Earlier today I read they wouldn't:

'DDR2 support will first be demonstrated with prototype boards for the 1
MByte L2-version of the Athlon 64 in August of this year with the FX and
12 x 1 MByte Athlon64 X2 (Toledo) following in September. Mass production
support for DDR2 is scheduled to arrive in the second quarter of 2006.'

http://www.tomshardware.com/hardnews/20050504_145314.html

Not that I'm claiming they're necessarily correct.

Don't be, they're all just rumours at the moment.

The reason the CPU dictates the RAM is because of the introduction of an
onboard memory controller on the K8 - Opteron, Athlon 64 - processors.

Current dual-cores still use DDR. If they do use DDR2 it won't be until next
year.

 

[General Schvantzkoph]

Great, now im really confused!
I guess im a little surprised that the cpu dictates the ram.
But since AMD is making their dual core chips, maybe they'll use DDR2 with
those?



Don't be, they're all just rumours at the moment.

The reason the CPU dictates the RAM is because of the introduction of an
onboard memory controller on the K8 - Opteron, Athlon 64 - processors.

Current dual-cores still use DDR. If they do use DDR2 it won't be until next
year.

The switch will probably come with the 65nm parts. Neither AMD nor the
DRAM companies is going to want to support a 2.5V IO standard in a 65nm
process. DDR2 is a 1.8V I/O. DDR3 won't be in production until the end of
2007 so it's unlikely that AMD will skip the DDR2 generation so you should
expect DDR2 on AMD parts sometime next year.

 

[Yadayada]

Great, now im really confused!
I guess im a little surprised that the cpu dictates the ram.
But since AMD is making their dual core chips, maybe they'll use DDR2 with
those?

I hope not.

 

[Phill]

There are two main contenders, Intel the defacto standard and AMD which are
a clone company riding Intel's market.

Most teenagers like AMD as they used to be the cheaper alternative and also
they have good support from game makers that tailor games for their CPU's.
Professionals/Businesses and poeple who want power/grunt buy Intel as they
are of higher quality and all rounders. Intel also has the bonus of being
at the front line of new technology releases, like PCIe, BTX case/mobo
size/cooling specs, Vanderpool OS flipping/paging, and many other new
features.

If I was you I would only buy into AMD if you can buy the a setup with the
latest of Intel abilities. Most shops will try to sell you a AGP based
graphics system, so be warned. If you buy into Intel then try to buy a
i955X based motherboard which has Dual-CPU core ability.

Cheers and good luck in building a system.

Great, now im really confused!
I guess im a little surprised that the cpu dictates the ram.
But since AMD is making their dual core chips, maybe they'll use DDR2 with
those?

 

[Rick M.]

There are two main contenders, Intel the defacto standard and AMD which are
a clone company riding Intel's market.

This type of thinking is way out of date. AMD is hardly a clone company
any longer, nor has it been for many years. This just smells of Intel
elitism/snobbery...

Most teenagers like AMD as they used to be the cheaper alternative and also
they have good support from game makers that tailor games for their CPU's.
Professionals/Businesses and poeple who want power/grunt buy Intel as they
are of higher quality and all rounders.

Yes, Intel produces much better 'toasters' these days than AMD...

Intel also has the bonus of being
at the front line of new technology releases, like PCIe, BTX case/mobo
size/cooling specs, Vanderpool OS flipping/paging, and many other new
features.

BTX is *innovative*?!?! BuHAHAHAHAHA! BTX is Intel stealing a page out
of Apple's 'G5 Designer Guide' to solve a thermal/wattage problem of
Intels own making and years of shortsightedness with it's 'brute force'
design techniques which has finally caught up with them. Intel has it's
tail between it's legs right now, and deservedly so, and everyone knows
it. Whether this will remain so is hard to tell, but right now the
market momentum turning in favor AMD. Hell, even Dell was having second
thoughts about it's 'Intel only' strategy for a while there.


-Rick

 

[Andrew]

There are two main contenders, Intel the defacto standard and AMD which are
a clone company riding Intel's market.

You're joking, right? Intel are trying to ride AMDs 64-bit market right
now!!

Most teenagers like AMD as they used to be the cheaper alternative and also
they have good support from game makers that tailor games for their CPU's.
Professionals/Businesses and poeple who want power/grunt buy Intel as they
are of higher quality and all rounders.

Really? So explain why a lot of servers can now be bought that are
using AMDs 64-bit CPUs? Oh yeah, it's those teenagers again! You are
totally out of touch with the CPU market!

And how you can say that Intel has more power/grunt than AMD CPUs, I
have no idea. AMD's Athlon is a much more efficient CPU in just about
every respect than that power-hungry CPU known as the P4. Go check up
on the benchmarks that independent testers have done.
www.tomshardware.com is a good starting point. Then come back and tell
us how little you really know..... Or do you have shares in Intel that
have been falling lately?

Intel also has the bonus of being
at the front line of new technology releases, like PCIe, BTX case/mobo
size/cooling specs, Vanderpool OS flipping/paging, and many other new
features.

Yeah, Intel is at the front line of new technology releases.
Bwahahahah! Who had the first mainstream 64-bit CPU on the market that
could also run legacy 32-bit applications? Intel? NOPE. Intel went
for a 64-bit only CPU. That is NOT what the market wanted or needed for
the mainstream. Now they are trying to jump on the bandwagon and are
struggling to catch up with AMD.

BTX is a spec. It's nothing innovative, and only Intel need it because
their CPUs produce so much heat. A problem that they caused is what
this is trying to fix. Do you realise that the Pentium D consumes more
power when idle than the Athlon 64 X2 does when fully loaded? Oh yeah,
and the X2 blows the D clean out of the water!! Go see Tomshardware
again for a review!

If I was you I would only buy into AMD if you can buy the a setup with the
latest of Intel abilities. Most shops will try to sell you a AGP based
graphics system, so be warned. If you buy into Intel then try to buy a
i955X based motherboard which has Dual-CPU core ability.

If I was you I'd avoid an Intel system at all costs, unless money is no
object and you get your electricity cheap. Check the link below for a
head to head comparison of the Athlon 64 X2 and the Pentium D and then
try to tell me that Intel make better CPUs.
http://www.tomshardware.com/cpu/20050509/index.html

Also check
http://www.tomshardware.com/cpu/20050509/cual_core_athlon-19.html for a
head to head comparison which shows the shocking amount of power used by
the Pentium D compared to the X2 (which did I say, blows the D out of
the water?).

Yeah, Intel make good CPUs, but at the moment they are playing catchup
to AMD, not the other way around as you would have us believe!

 

[EwwHww]

There are two main contenders, Intel the defacto standard and AMD
which are a clone company riding Intel's market.

Most teenagers like AMD

Smart teenagers then. If you are calling everyone that uses AMD a teenager,
then call me a 49 year old teen.

AMD is the leader today. Inhell, uh .... Intel is a second. Get your head
out of the past, and into the present.

My advice, always buy AMD. Theire chips are faster, less expensive, and
more fun to have. <g>

 

[Yadayada]

There are two main contenders, Intel the defacto standard and AMD which
are
a clone company riding Intel's market.

Most teenagers like AMD as they used to be the cheaper alternative and
also
they have good support from game makers that tailor games for their CPU's.
Professionals/Businesses and poeple who want power/grunt buy Intel as they
are of higher quality and all rounders. Intel also has the bonus of being
at the front line of new technology releases, like PCIe, BTX case/mobo
size/cooling specs, Vanderpool OS flipping/paging, and many other new
features.

If I was you I would only buy into AMD if you can buy the a setup with the
latest of Intel abilities. Most shops will try to sell you a AGP based
graphics system, so be warned. If you buy into Intel then try to buy a
i955X based motherboard which has Dual-CPU core ability.

Cheers and good luck in building a system.

Wow talk about your misinformed.

 

[Andy Yee]

There are two main contenders, Intel the defacto standard and AMD which are

Troll.

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[Ed]

There are two main contenders, Intel the defacto standard and AMD which are
a clone company riding Intel's market.

Most teenagers like AMD as they used to be the cheaper alternative and also
they have good support from game makers that tailor games for their CPU's.
Professionals/Businesses and poeple who want power/grunt buy Intel as they
are of higher quality and all rounders. Intel also has the bonus of being
at the front line of new technology releases, like PCIe, BTX case/mobo
size/cooling specs, Vanderpool OS flipping/paging, and many other new
features.

If I was you I would only buy into AMD if you can buy the a setup with the
latest of Intel abilities. Most shops will try to sell you a AGP based
graphics system, so be warned. If you buy into Intel then try to buy a
i955X based motherboard which has Dual-CPU core ability.

Cheers and good luck in building a system.

Put down the crack pipe and open your eyes!

 

[Phill]

Yes, AMD are maturing. Their dual core market may be something to consider,
but current systems, users should still stick witht he defacto Intel.

 

[Phill]

AMD is the leader today. Inhell, uh .... Intel is a second. Get your head

out of the past, and into the present.

I see the importance in standards. AMD have to match Intel to remain
business sale-able, so therefore they're chasing the compatibility theme.

I have already studied the AMD X2 and I consider AMD maybe coming to the
market in a better way in the future, but I would warn people if they
consider any other system than AMD new series.

 

[Phill]

Put down the crack pipe and open your eyes!

Tell that to main sales, like Dell. They aren't stupid like the chip-on
they shoulder teenagers. The same teenagers that hate, IE and go for
Firefox, who hate XP and install Linux every 5 min, and.... ala... buy AMD
in hating Intel.

If you want quality buy the leader, Intel. AMD are a bit of the K-Mart
brand, but they are maturing.

 

[Ed Light]

If you want quality buy the leader, Intel. AMD are a bit of the K-Mart
brand, but they are maturing.

Um - this is an AMD group. Maybe you need the Intel group.

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