Corporate XP and SP2

[Lindsay]

I've seen on some web forums, people asking if the SP2 works with the
Corporate edition (Volume License) of XP. If you are lucky enough to have a
copy, yes it will. But you will have trouble with your dodgy Product Key.
And I'm not going to help you there. Some others may have a hacked copy of
XP. It may work, but I suggest you get a legal copy of XP instead. You might
get a whole heap of trouble because your copy is not as MS intended!

Just thought I'd say. That's all!

 

[Jupiter Jones [MVP]]

There is no such thing as "Corporate edition"
Although the pirates have used that term describing their stolen
licenses.

 

[Barry Watzman]

Ok, the correct name is "volume license" not "corporate", but you know
what he's talking about, and so does everyone else -- the version of XP
licensed to large corporate customers that doesn't do product activation.

Last I heard from MS was that SP2 or Windows Update (it wasn't clear
which) had a list of known "leaked" keys for that edition and would not
install (and might freeze the system against any future Windows
updates) if any of those keys was used, but would work if the key wasn't

 

[Plato]

I've seen on some web forums, people asking if the SP2 works with the
Corporate edition (Volume License) of XP. If you are lucky enough to have a

No such animal. Please state why you visit pirate sites?

 

[Lindsay]

The Volume License DOES exist! It is very little known for very good
reasons. Large corporate companys with VERY large amounts of computers are
offered it by MS. It's not something you can ask for, because they will deny
it. It has nothing to do with piracy.

 

[Kelly]

Do your searches for Volume License Product Keys SP2.

 

[Barry Watzman]

Without regard to the specific question asked, there most definitely is
such an animal. The correct name is "volume license", not "corporate".

 

[NobodyMan]

The Volume License DOES exist! It is very little known for very good
reasons. Large corporate companys with VERY large amounts of computers are
offered it by MS. It's not something you can ask for, because they will deny
it. It has nothing to do with piracy.

Actually Volume licensing is very well known and not "hidden" as you
imply. You can easily ask MS for it, and IF you are willing to pay
for it, they will gladly send you the Volume License software, the
key(s) you will need to install it, and an invoice telling you how
much you are paying for each of those installations. It is not a
cheap prospect.

 

[Lindsay]

Then how come almost all MS qualified guys I speak to (not necessarily on
this NG) don't seem to know about it?

 

[Rob Schneider]

Next time you speak with them ask... Probably simply related to their
experience base and their customers needs.

 

[Bruce Chambers]

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I'd have to wonder where they purchased their "certifications."

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[Shenan Stanley]

I've seen on some web forums, people asking if the SP2 works with the
Corporate edition (Volume License) of XP. If you are lucky enough to
have a copy, yes it will. But you will have trouble with your dodgy
Product Key. And I'm not going to help you there. Some others may
have a hacked copy of XP. It may work, but I suggest you get a legal
copy of XP instead. You might get a whole heap of trouble because
your copy is not as MS intended!

Just thought I'd say. That's all!

No such animal. Please state why you visit pirate sites?

The Volume License DOES exist! It is very little known for very good
reasons. Large corporate companys with VERY large amounts of
computers are offered it by MS. It's not something you can ask for,
because they will deny it. It has nothing to do with piracy.

Actually Volume licensing is very well known and not "hidden" as you
imply. You can easily ask MS for it, and IF you are willing to pay
for it, they will gladly send you the Volume License software, the
key(s) you will need to install it, and an invoice telling you how
much you are paying for each of those installations. It is not a
cheap prospect.

Then how come almost all MS qualified guys I speak to (not
necessarily on this NG) don't seem to know about it?

Lindsay,

Here is the situation. You posted originally (as can be seen in the thread
above) that if people had this "corporate" version (the correct term is
"Volume License Agreement") - then SP2 would work, but not with their "dodgy
Product Key". You inferred, right there, that all "Volume Licensed" copies
of Windows XP were pirated. Those are the only "dodgy product keys" out
there, the ones that have been pirated and deemed unusable by Microsoft.
Although I see that you were trying to be helpful, those that actually have
a pirated copy (and KNOW they have a pirated copy - so they would understand
what you are saying) - likely already have their work-around or have gone
out and purchased XP finally (I'm doubting the latter.)

Plato may have jumped to a conclusion by their response - but it was a small
hop actually - as I stated, you mentioned "dodgy keys" and "corporate" along
with the proper terminology. Maybe you just heard it put that way - but in
any case - you threw it out there.

Then you come back with the "Volume License" does exist. Yes - you are
correct. Confirmed. Heck - here's a link to a few web pages:

Microsoft Volume Licensing FAQ
http://www.microsoft.com/licensing/resources/faq.mspx

Volume License and Online Services Product Keys
http://www.microsoft.com/licensing/resources/vol/default.mspx


Then you add some madness about "Large corporate companys with VERY large
amounts of computers" - which is not entirely true, as you can get a volume
license agreement with as few as five (5) computers. Check it out here:

Microsoft Open License Value
http://www.microsoft.com/licensing/programs/open/openvalue.mspx

And then look at the different levels of Volume Licensing Agreements
compared here:

Microsoft Volume Licensing Programs Comparison
http://www.microsoft.com/licensing/programs/sa/saolsleacompare.mspx


Additional madness then follows with your statement "It's not something you
can ask for, because they will deny it. It has nothing to do with piracy."
Uhm, yeah - okay. See, you asked, here it is. You can do a Google search
or a search with Microsoft's own search engine on their web site and find
everything I just sent you. It's out there, it's not denied at all.
There's not even denial about the fact that there are "dodgy product keys"
out there. These very articles prove the lack of denial:

You receive a "The product key used to install Windows is invalid" error
message
http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=326904

How to change the Volume Licensing product key on a Windows XP SP1-based
computer
http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=328874


Now, I come to your last inquiry, specifically, "Then how come almost all MS
qualified guys I speak to (not necessarily on this NG) don't seem to know
about it?"

The short answer, they are mis-informed or not as "MS qualified" as you
might think. I'm not sure what exactly you mean by "MS qualified", to be
honest - but these guys obviously have no CLUE as to what they are talking
about OR they may be just telling you this so they don't tempt another user
into pirating software (or they pirate themselves and just don't want to
admit it.)

I hope this clears up the volume licensing (not "corporate", that is a term
originally used only by those pirating the "warez" copy of Windows XP)
confusion you may have. If not - ask more questions.

 

[Herb Fritatta]

There is no such thing as "Corporate edition"
Although the pirates have used that term describing their stolen
licenses.

There is no such thing as a "stolen" license. You either have a license
or you don't.

 

[Lindsay]

I was not inferring all Volume Licensed users were using pirated editions! I
said that because if they are asking on this NG, it must be a pirated copy.
If it were not pirated, they must be working for a large enough company to
already know the answer.

 

[NobodyMan]

There is no such thing as a "stolen" license. You either have a license
or you don't.

If you don't purchase a license, but are using somebody else's then by
definition you have "stolen" it. Stealing is taking something that
belongs to somebody else.

 

[Jupiter Jones [MVP]]

Herb;
Yes there is.
Many people are using unauthorized Product Keys on their computers.
Whether they know it or not, they are using a stolen license.

Are you suggesting just because it is possessed it, it is not stolen,
nothing more to it?
Does it matter how something is acquired?
What do you call it?
Does this also apply to other products you may have?

 

[Shenan Stanley]

I've seen on some web forums, people asking if the SP2 works with
the Corporate edition (Volume License) of XP. If you are lucky
enough to have a copy, yes it will. But you will have trouble with
your dodgy Product Key. And I'm not going to help you there. Some
others may have a hacked copy of XP. It may work, but I suggest you
get a legal copy of XP instead. You might get a whole heap of
trouble because your copy is not as MS intended!

Just thought I'd say. That's all!

No such animal. Please state why you visit pirate sites?

The Volume License DOES exist! It is very little known for very good
reasons. Large corporate companys with VERY large amounts of
computers are offered it by MS. It's not something you can ask for,
because they will deny it. It has nothing to do with piracy.

Actually Volume licensing is very well known and not "hidden" as you
imply. You can easily ask MS for it, and IF you are willing to pay
for it, they will gladly send you the Volume License software, the
key(s) you will need to install it, and an invoice telling you how
much you are paying for each of those installations. It is not a
cheap prospect.

Then how come almost all MS qualified guys I speak to (not
necessarily on this NG) don't seem to know about it?

Lindsay,

Here is the situation. You posted originally (as can be seen in the
thread above) that if people had this "corporate" version (the
correct term is "Volume License Agreement") - then SP2 would work,
but not with their "dodgy Product Key". You inferred, right there,
that all "Volume Licensed" copies of Windows XP were pirated. Those
are the only "dodgy product keys" out there, the ones that have been
pirated and deemed unusable by Microsoft. Although I see that you
were trying to be helpful, those that actually have a pirated copy
(and KNOW they have a pirated copy - so they would understand what
you are saying) - likely already have their work-around or have gone
out and purchased XP finally (I'm doubting the latter.)

Plato may have jumped to a conclusion by their response - but it was
a small hop actually - as I stated, you mentioned "dodgy keys" and
"corporate" along with the proper terminology. Maybe you just heard
it put that way - but in any case - you threw it out there.

Then you come back with the "Volume License" does exist. Yes - you
are correct. Confirmed. Heck - here's a link to a few web pages:

Microsoft Volume Licensing FAQ
http://www.microsoft.com/licensing/resources/faq.mspx

Volume License and Online Services Product Keys
http://www.microsoft.com/licensing/resources/vol/default.mspx


Then you add some madness about "Large corporate companys with VERY
large amounts of computers" - which is not entirely true, as you can
get a volume license agreement with as few as five (5) computers.
Check it out here:

Microsoft Open License Value
http://www.microsoft.com/licensing/programs/open/openvalue.mspx

And then look at the different levels of Volume Licensing Agreements
compared here:

Microsoft Volume Licensing Programs Comparison
http://www.microsoft.com/licensing/programs/sa/saolsleacompare.mspx


Additional madness then follows with your statement "It's not
something you can ask for, because they will deny it. It has nothing
to do with piracy." Uhm, yeah - okay. See, you asked, here it is.
You can do a Google search or a search with Microsoft's own search
engine on their web site and find everything I just sent you. It's
out there, it's not denied at all. There's not even denial about the
fact that there are "dodgy product keys" out there. These very
articles prove the lack of denial:

You receive a "The product key used to install Windows is invalid"
error message
http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=326904

How to change the Volume Licensing product key on a Windows XP
SP1-based computer
http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=328874


Now, I come to your last inquiry, specifically, "Then how come
almost all MS qualified guys I speak to (not necessarily on this NG)
don't seem to know about it?"

The short answer, they are mis-informed or not as "MS qualified" as
you might think. I'm not sure what exactly you mean by "MS
qualified", to be honest - but these guys obviously have no CLUE as
to what they are talking about OR they may be just telling you this
so they don't tempt another user into pirating software (or they
pirate themselves and just don't want to admit it.)

I hope this clears up the volume licensing (not "corporate", that is
a term originally used only by those pirating the "warez" copy of
Windows XP) confusion you may have. If not - ask more questions.

I was not inferring all Volume Licensed users were using pirated
editions! I said that because if they are asking on this NG, it must
be a pirated copy. If it were not pirated, they must be working for a
large enough company to already know the answer.

I wish that were true, but just because they work for a large company does
not mena "they know" about volume licensin or pirated copies. I have seen
many "large companies" where the previous IT person installed pirated
software or the IT person is nto actually a true system admin and knows just
enough to be dangerous, etc.

I have seen people ask in the newsgroups merely out of curiosity, because
they had taken over a position at a company and just discovered their
problem or sometimes (very few) they get a message about having an invalid
code key and they truly do not have one.

 

[Al Smith]

There is no such thing as "Corporate edition"

If you don't purchase a license, but are using somebody else's then by
definition you have "stolen" it. Stealing is taking something that
belongs to somebody else.

Stealing requires that something be removed from one possessor
illegally and against his will, and given over to the use of
another possessor. When someone uses a corporate license, the
company that has purchased that license hasn't lost it, or the
ability to use it. Nothing has been taken from them. Hence, no
theft has occurred.

 

[Jupiter Jones [MVP]]

Al;
In the case you describe, theft is from Microsoft.
The business may also have a problem with Microsoft because they are
not adequately controlling the licenses.
So in fact the company stands to lose as well.
The company very well may lose something, especially if Microsoft
determines they are not protecting the licenses adequately.
In that very real possible situation, the company may lose "the
ability to use it."

Again, it is a Volume License since there is no such thing as a
"corporate license".

You are treading very close to the excuses made by the thieves (AKA
pirates) to justify their own stealing.

 

[Al Smith]

In the case you describe, theft is from Microsoft.

The business may also have a problem with Microsoft because they are
not adequately controlling the licenses.
So in fact the company stands to lose as well.
The company very well may lose something, especially if Microsoft
determines they are not protecting the licenses adequately.
In that very real possible situation, the company may lose "the
ability to use it."

The theft isn't from Microsoft, because Microsoft hasn't lost
anything. Therefore no theft has occurred. There is no particular
reason to suppose that a person using a pirated version of the OS
would have gone out and bought the OS, had the pirate edition not
been available. This might be the case, but it also might *not* be
the case. And there is no way to demonstrate that it is the case.
Besides, theft is taking something real that already exists, not
potentially depriving someone of possible, speculative, additional
future earnings.

When a pirated edition of Windows is used, it is copied. Nothing
happens to the original edition. It does not cease to be.
Microsoft does not lose the money it made by selling the original
edition. Copying is not theft. It may involve an infringement of
the Microsoft license agreement, but that is not theft.