Computer hardware questions. Couldn't find newsgroup on microsoft

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Brian V

Hi, I have a few questions about hardware and what it is. I looked here:

http://www.microsoft.com/en/us/sitemap.aspx

But there was no newsgroup. I use XP, so I need hardware. That's the only
way I can tie these questions into using this board. Anyways:

- What is an IEEE 1394 port (I think I have the number right). It seems
related to something about audio or video?
- What's a VGA port?
- What's a RJ-45 Ethernet connector?
- What is a serial port? What goes in it?
- What is an eSATA drive? Is it a newer SATA hard-drive? Is it better or
what's the difference?
- Why does RAM have to be in pairs (eg: 2-1Gb, or 2-512Mb, 2-2Gb)? I kind of
understand it interacts well or something, but why can't I use only one 2Gb
or 4Gb? Why can't I use a 1Gb and 2Gb combination or a 512Mb and 4gB (I think
I saw a 4gb in a store)? Can it be done, do you have to set some options up
for a non-same pair to work? Will it work?
- How can I tell when I need a new or larger power supply? If they are
overused do they burn out or crash and erase your system? I know there are
features to monitor my system, but how can I tell I have to upgrade a 300
Watt to a 500 Watt for instance?
- Can someone change their Processors? From what I'v seen, people seem to
sodder them on, or theya re already attached to the motherboard, but I think
this can be added to or changed. No?
- For what situations would someone recommend adding more that one fan in
your computer? How many hours of daily log-time or what situations make 2+
fans worth it?

Thank you.

Brian
 
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philo

Brian said:
Hi, I have a few questions about hardware and what it is. I looked here:

http://www.microsoft.com/en/us/sitemap.aspx

But there was no newsgroup. I use XP, so I need hardware. That's the only
way I can tie these questions into using this board. Anyways:

- What is an IEEE 1394 port (I think I have the number right). It seems
related to something about audio or video?

Homework eh?
 
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peter

Have you ever heard of Google??
typing any of those questions into the Google search engine will give
you a slew of answers. Read them to become better informed about
what is on your computer.

E-Sate is an external Sata connector for Sata drives

The size of the RAM module that you can fit in a RAM slot is determined by the
mobo manufacturer.
The type of RAM is determined by the mobo chipset
Google for dual channel to see more on Ram
CPU fit into sockets on the motherboard. Different sockets hold different CPU.
A 939 socket will only hold CPU made for that socket. Normally the CPU is NOT
soldered
onto the socket. It is attached by means of pins on the CPU and holes in the
socket and a locking lever
Then a thermal paste is lightly smeared across the CPU and a Heatsink/Fan
combination
is attached and either clamped or screwed on.
Most cases have at least 2 cooling fans, not counting the fan on the Heatsink,in
the power supply
or attached to the video card. One Fan normally suck cool air in from the front
and blows it
over the Hard drive(S) .The other is usually located high in the back to remove
hot air from the case.

A Power supply has multiple lines with each having an amperage rating which
determines the total
volts of the unit.When you have exceeded the amps the power supply will not
start your system or barely
start and a multitude of problems arise depending upon which line is being over
stressed.
You have bought a prebuild Acer which most likely has a power supply that is
just a little larger
than you need for the hardware that came with the computer. If you are doing any
major changes
it is advisable to get a better PSU. A good example is video card ..maybe yours
has a video chip on the
mobo by adding one of the newer more power hungry video cards you might have
reached the limit
of you PSU. Read the specs on the side of the PSU and read the specs of the
video card.

peter
 
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Paul

Brian said:
Hi, I have a few questions about hardware and what it is. I looked here:

http://www.microsoft.com/en/us/sitemap.aspx

But there was no newsgroup. I use XP, so I need hardware. That's the only
way I can tie these questions into using this board. Anyways:

- What is an IEEE 1394 port (I think I have the number right). It seems
related to something about audio or video?
- What's a VGA port?
- What's a RJ-45 Ethernet connector?
- What is a serial port? What goes in it?
- What is an eSATA drive? Is it a newer SATA hard-drive? Is it better or
what's the difference?
- Why does RAM have to be in pairs (eg: 2-1Gb, or 2-512Mb, 2-2Gb)? I kind of
understand it interacts well or something, but why can't I use only one 2Gb
or 4Gb? Why can't I use a 1Gb and 2Gb combination or a 512Mb and 4gB (I think
I saw a 4gb in a store)? Can it be done, do you have to set some options up
for a non-same pair to work? Will it work?
- How can I tell when I need a new or larger power supply? If they are
overused do they burn out or crash and erase your system? I know there are
features to monitor my system, but how can I tell I have to upgrade a 300
Watt to a 500 Watt for instance?
- Can someone change their Processors? From what I'v seen, people seem to
sodder them on, or theya re already attached to the motherboard, but I think
this can be added to or changed. No?
- For what situations would someone recommend adding more that one fan in
your computer? How many hours of daily log-time or what situations make 2+
fans worth it?

Thank you.

Brian

If it is homework, it's going to be a long night.

The folks at Wikipedia write all sorts of articles. You can enter some of
your homework questions here. It does take a little skill to find stuff
here, because the articles aren't always located in the most straight forward
way. For example, "serial port" versus "RS-232".

http://www.wikipedia.org/

This would be for IEEE 1394. Otherwise known as Firewire. It is a communications
standard. It supports storage devices. It can also be used for networking (but such
a usage is not too common).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IEEE_1394

eSATA = External SATA, same as SATA only supporting the drive housed in an
external enclosure. Cabling is designed to make the cable last longer when
plugged and unplugged a lot. An eSATA cable is good for 5000 insertions.

*******

RAM is used in pairs, to operate in dual channel mode. One implementation of
it, operates two 64 bit DIMMs, as if they were a DIMM which is 128 bits wide.
That doubles the bandwidth on a burst transfer.

There are even situations where the computer has three memory channels, and
memory is used in triples. And it is done for the same reason, to enhance
memory bandwidth.

*******

When a power supply fails, it can damage equipment. It can ruin the motherboard.
It can ruin the hard drive. "Erasing a hard drive" would not be the result.
A hard drive could be damaged, but if it was, the rotating platters could
be recovered at a data recovery firm. Cost would be like $1000, but you could
get the data back. If the power supply ruins the motherboard, you replace it.
If the power supply ruins the hard drive, you install a new one. And if you're
lucky, a week from now the data recovery firm calls and tells you the data is
recovered and ready to deliver to your customer. You put the recovered data
back on the new hard drive.

*******

Fans are added to a computer case, according to the internal temperature target
the builder is aiming for. This is a formula for fan sizing. Use this as a
basic concept.

CFM = 3.16 x Watts / Delta_T_degrees_F

For example, say the room temperature is 25C. A "well cooled" computer case has
an internal temperature which is 7C degrees higher. 7C is the same as 10F Fahrenheit
degrees. Say you total up all the internal power consumption and get 200W of hardware.
(No, that is not the same as the power supply rating. You could be using a 500W
supply, but the supply might only be delivering 200W to the inside of the computer.
The 200W refers to the heat-producing watts, the ones being used by all the
hardware inside the box.)

CFM = (3.16 x 200) / 10 = 63.2 CFM (cubic feet per minute)

This fan gives 61.4CFM, but with no resistance to airflow. If the equipment
inside the computer continued to dissipate 200W, and you had a single fan
with 63.2CFM air moving capacity, then the internal temperature inside
the case would be 25C + 7C = 32C.

http://www.circuittest.com/English/Content/Items/CFA1212025LS.asp

You set the case temperature, according to how hot you want the hard drives to
get. The case temperature can be allowed to climb higher, but at the risk
to the hard drives. It is a balance between building a quiet computer, and
treating the hardware inside the box like royalty.

If you allow the CPU to go over 70C, the CPU begins to throttle back (run slower
automatically). If you find that is happening, then either the CPU fan
needs to be more powerful, or the case fan needs to be more powerful.

You can use the CPU power in watts, the theta_R for the CPU heatsink, to work
out the delta_T for the CPU. Knowing the CPU temp target of 70C, you work out
the delta_T for the amount of power it is dissipating. Say the heatsink gives
you a delta_T of 20C. 70C - 20C = 50C. The computer case can't get any hotter inside
than 50C. Say you allow the room to go up to 35C for the customer (that is the
external max temperature allowed for your computer build). That leaves 15C (27F)
for the above CFM equation. So it is possible to work it all backwards, use the
equation for CPU temperature, the equation for case temperature, and work out
what is required.

A retail Intel heatsink might be 0.33 C/W theta_R thermal resistance. Say the
processor is 65W. 0.33 C/W times 65W = 21C. The CPU will be 21C hotter than the
internal case air temperature. 70C - 21C = 49C max case temp. If the computer
is in a relatively tropical room at 35C, 49C - 35C = 14C for the CFM equation.
14C * 9/5 = 25.2F degrees. Again, we'll assume the total power inside the case
is 200W (yes, there is a way to work that out too :) ).

CFM = (3.16 x 200) / 25.2 = 25 CFM

You'll notice in that example, that the CPU got an "allowance" of 21C, while
the computer case allowance was 14C. You can juggle the noise of the CPU fan,
versus the case fan, according to your tastes. For example, if you put a
huge blower on the CPU, the case fan could be tiny and weak. But the customer
would be pissed off about the noise the CPU fan was making. You have to adjust
the sizes of both, to build a well balanced box. You can buy an after market
CPU cooler, to create a lower delta_T on the CPU, so that the case fan doesn't
have to work as hard. A good after market cooler might have a theta_R of
0.14C/W, versus the 0.33C/W of the heatsink/fan that comes in the Intel box.

You may need to find a book on HVAC (heating, ventilating, air conditioning), to
learn something about fan resistance curves, and how to add the effects of
multiple blowers. I don't know how to do that. But if you're sprinkling
seven fans on a tower case, you'd better know something about resistance
curves for fans, in order to understand why you're installing seven fans.
Frequently, multiple fans are dopey, because the builder set them up
so they're fighting with one another.

I don't have equations for everything, but as you can see, there is arithmetic
aplenty if you want it. And it might not all be conveniently in your
teacher's textbook.

*******

The CPU fits in a socket. You can undo the lever on the socket and remove
or replace the CPU. Solder is used on hardware where there is no intention
of allowing user replacement. The chips in your cell phone are likely all
soldered down.

Paul
 
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Brian V

Great. Thanks everyone.

Google eh? This is an issue...........Ok, I can use it. I do use search
engines, but it doesn't always get me what I'm looking for or I have to go
through 3 or 4 wikipedia articles. I know that is what research is, but damn,
I don't have all the time in the world everyday.

This arcitecture and mathmatics in computers is crazy sometimes. I'v been
doing a lot to upgrade like I want to. But I need to put this down a for a
bit. I'm almost done.
 
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Tom Willett

: Google eh? This is an issue...........Ok, I can use it. I do use search
: engines, but it doesn't always get me what I'm looking for or I have to go
: through 3 or 4 wikipedia articles. I know that is what research is, but
damn,
: I don't have all the time in the world everyday.

So, you expect everyone else to take the time you don't have and do your
research for you?
 
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sgopus

I think you missed the point, he said he did use Google, but wasn't finding
things very well, I assume since he is asking questions , he doesn't have the
background to formulate a good search, hence asking questions here, isn't
that what this area is for, getting answers? but take heart I don't point
this at only you, there were multiple people who gave the same attitude, if
your burned out giving answers, then take a respite from helping. till your
more in the mood. I'm busy and have lots of things to do, and yep I ask
questions here as I just don't have the time, somedays.
 
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Brian V

Great. This is the answer from spopus. Thanks.

No, I don't expect everyone to look for me. That is one reason why I am
here. I was less knowledgable before I started using the newsgroups and
looking online (before, during and after the newsgroups). I did get a lot of
information from other places (search, wikipedia, etc), but some of it is
very technical and I don't always understand the application. It's right or
good, but sometimes I get conflicting instances and need to clear the air.

People on this newsgroup site actually use that computer knowledge for their
job or as more advanced computer users. So I read about what they do, and
don't have to go as far. I start to think sometimes I need to do those steps
or upgrades, but I am lesser of a computer user. Why would I go that length?
Which people on here said not to.

Also, just because I read it, doesn't mean I have to do it. Eg: Flashing a
bios. I read about it, and had to put up a thread. Some sites even
recommended flashing it (but usually said they take no responsability for
someone doing it). If something is unnecessary, I need to ask.

Thank you for the replys.
 
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Brian V

Also, anyone every read any outdated or innacurate wikipedia or web-page
articles? I find some articles sometimes. And they have been up for more than
a year in some cases. (I'm not saying computer articles specifically. They
seem to be highly accurate). If I can't verify those informations, I will not
touch those articles, if I can even access them.
 

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