Cleaning a screen - use spray polish or microfibre?

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Andrew

Dr Teeth said:
Don't be a smart-arsed tit. We live in the UK, plonker.

We, in the USA, just toss the monitor into the dishwasher. Saves time and
comes out really clean.
 
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Dr Teeth

Newsflash - there are Usenet users all over the world.
This just in - there are more Chinese than any other nationality.

Duh, a UK group with posters in the UK.

Join your retarded friend in the Bozo bin.
--
Cheers,

Guy

** Stress - the condition brought about by having to
** resist the temptation to beat the living daylights
** out of someone who richly deserves it.
 
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Dr Teeth

We, in the USA, just toss the monitor into the dishwasher. Saves time and
comes out really clean.

I find the dishwasher works quite well. The screen came out perfectly
clean. It's just a shame I did not read the instructions and
disconnect it from the mains first :-(.
--
Cheers,

Guy

** Stress - the condition brought about by having to
** resist the temptation to beat the living daylights
** out of someone who richly deserves it.
 
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[ste parker]

Dr said:
Duh, a UK group with posters in the UK.

Join your retarded friend in the Bozo bin.

You may or may not have bothered to notice that this is being posted to
more than just UK groups. Even a retard would be able to spot that....
 
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Dr Teeth

You may or may not have bothered to notice that this is being posted to
more than just UK groups. Even a retard would be able to spot that....

Go and rattle in the Bozo bin with your other brain damaged mates.
--
Cheers,

Guy

** Stress - the condition brought about by having to
** resist the temptation to beat the living daylights
** out of someone who richly deserves it.
 
S

[ste parker]

Dr said:
Go and rattle in the Bozo bin with your other brain damaged mates.

Result! I wonder how this person applies these "prove me wrong or
disagree and I'll just insult then ignore you" values in real life?
Must be a consultant :)
 
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David Maynard

Dr said:
Don't be a smart-arsed tit. We live in the UK, plonker.

If it's your opinion that UK peeps are ignorant of cotton paper then so be
it but that doesn't alter the fact that paper made from cotton is paper.
 
J

Jon Danniken

"seabat" wrong:
Alcohol works pretty good, but don't use the 70% Isopropoly "rubbing"
type as it has a bunch of oils in it to make it more palatable to the
skin when rubbing it in. Get the 90% > denatured type.

Flat out WRONG. 70% isopropyl alcohol is 70% isopropyl alcohol and 30%
water; there are NO "oils" in the mixture, regardless of its being labeled
as "rubbing" alcohol or not.

As far as "denatured" alcohol goes, it is ethanol with other components
added, rendering it toxic for consumption so that you won't drink it. As I
said before, ethanol is *not* good for coatings.

Jon
 
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Arno Wagner

In comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.misc Jon Danniken said:
"seabat" wrong:
Zoozy wrote: [...]
Alcohol works pretty good, but don't use the 70% Isopropoly "rubbing"
type as it has a bunch of oils in it to make it more palatable to the
skin when rubbing it in. Get the 90% > denatured type.
Flat out WRONG. 70% isopropyl alcohol is 70% isopropyl alcohol and 30%
water; there are NO "oils" in the mixture, regardless of its being labeled
as "rubbing" alcohol or not.
As far as "denatured" alcohol goes, it is ethanol with other components
added, rendering it toxic for consumption so that you won't drink it.

I feel that I have to add my own cry of "flat out wrong" here:
Denaturated alcohol is not more toxic than normal alcohol. It
is designed to taste wrong and unpleasant. However there are those
that will not have the money to buy real alcohol and some of those
do drink it. In order not to poison these people denaturated
alcohol is not toxic. There is also the secondary consideration
that any toxic addition would be dangerous when it evaporates or
is burned, e.g. to start coal in a grill.
As I said before, ethanol is *not* good for coatings.

So? I have never noticed any efect and until recently I have been
using it ob several CRTs for years. You do realize that this is
armour-glass and the coatings are a bit different that what you have
on plastic, metal or "soft" glass?

Arno
 
J

Jon Danniken

Arno Wagner said:
I feel that I have to add my own cry of "flat out wrong" here:
Denaturated alcohol is not more toxic than normal alcohol. It
is designed to taste wrong and unpleasant. However there are those
that will not have the money to buy real alcohol and some of those
do drink it. In order not to poison these people denaturated
alcohol is not toxic. There is also the secondary consideration
that any toxic addition would be dangerous when it evaporates or
is burned, e.g. to start coal in a grill.

That is not only incorrect, it is irresponsible to print such fallacies. I
suggest you peruse the vast number of MSDS on the web and open your eyes up
to the reality of the common substances used to "denature" ethanol. Hint:
the overwhelming majority of them (if not all of them) are toxic or harmful
when consumed.
So? I have never noticed any efect and until recently I have been
using it ob several CRTs for years. You do realize that this is
armour-glass and the coatings are a bit different that what you have
on plastic, metal or "soft" glass?

Good for you, Arno, but your limited personal observations do not translate
into a universal suitability for that application. Ethyl alcohol is *not*
acceptable for cleaning *all* monitors, whereas isopropyl alcohol *is*.

If you want to play guessing games with the known properties of chemicals
knock yourself out, but don't be surprised when you make a mistake.

Jon
 
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Gama Chameleon

On Fri, 22 Oct 2004 01:34:03 +0800, spodosaurus

No, "we" don't. We live all over the world. Don't tell me the Poms are
getting as bad as the yanks in terms of geocentricity?

Nope he is just a nutter whoseems to think that after digging the
hole, the best option is just keep on going :)
 
G

Gama Chameleon

Result! I wonder how this person applies these "prove me wrong or
disagree and I'll just insult then ignore you" values in real life?
Must be a consultant :)

Wonder if works for *that* Unix owning company :)
 
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Dr Teeth

F.O.
--
Cheers,

Guy

** Stress - the condition brought about by having to
** resist the temptation to beat the living daylights
** out of someone who richly deserves it.
 
D

Dr Teeth

... and several alt.comp groups and a comp.sys group - you really aren't
too bright, are you?

I am actually, very as it happens.
--
Cheers,

Guy

** Stress - the condition brought about by having to
** resist the temptation to beat the living daylights
** out of someone who richly deserves it.
 
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Bob Davis

Good for you, Arno, but your limited personal observations do not
translate
into a universal suitability for that application. Ethyl alcohol is *not*
acceptable for cleaning *all* monitors, whereas isopropyl alcohol *is*.

The manual for one of my two Sony monitors (A240, 2002 printing) states "Do
not use any type of abrasive pad, alkaline cleanser, scouring power, or
solvents such as alcohol or benzene, as they might damage the
anti-reflective coating."

However, my E540 manual (2001 printing) states only to "Clean the screen
with a soft cloth. If you use a glass cleaning liquid, do not use any type
of cleaner containing an anti-static solution or similar additive as this
may scratch the screen's coating." No mention of solvents here.

Since the manual warning about solvents is a newer printing, maybe that
advise should be the best guide.
 
J

Jon Danniken

Bob Davis said:
The manual for one of my two Sony monitors (A240, 2002 printing) states "Do
not use any type of abrasive pad, alkaline cleanser, scouring power, or
solvents such as alcohol or benzene, as they might damage the
anti-reflective coating."

However, my E540 manual (2001 printing) states only to "Clean the screen
with a soft cloth. If you use a glass cleaning liquid, do not use any type
of cleaner containing an anti-static solution or similar additive as this
may scratch the screen's coating." No mention of solvents here.

Since the manual warning about solvents is a newer printing, maybe that
advise should be the best guide.

Bob, I already replied to this concern of yours, but since you did not reply
to *that* post, I will repeat the contents here.

This is due to the flammability of using _any_ solvent for cleaning (and
Sony being liable for some idiot burning themselves up by not taking the
normal precautions one takes when one uses *any* solvent for *any* purpose).

As far as Sony saying not to use "alcohol", this is due to the vast number
of idiots who too dim-witted to realize that different alcohols have vastly
different properties. Just as you wouldn't want to drink methanol or
isopropanol, you wouldn't want to use ethanol or methanol for cleaning your
monitor, as these *will* damage the coating (especially ethanol).

I *specified* isopropyl alcohol, because I *meant* isopropyl alcohol, not
another chemical which falls under the category of an alcohol, of which
there are thousands.

Isopropyl alcohol, when used carefully by an adult, is a safe and effective
medium for cleaning any monitor, regardless of coating.

Jon
 
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Arno Wagner

In comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.misc Jon Danniken said:
"Bob Davis" wrote: [...]
As far as Sony saying not to use "alcohol", this is due to the vast number
of idiots who too dim-witted to realize that different alcohols have vastly
different properties. Just as you wouldn't want to drink methanol or
isopropanol, you wouldn't want to use ethanol or methanol for cleaning your
monitor, as these *will* damage the coating (especially ethanol).

Deninitely not. "may" is the word here. I occasionally have even
used Vodka on my CRT (definitely ethanol) and no adverse effects.

Arno
 
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Fat Freddy's Cat

Dr said:


I just delved into this thread after having it pointed out to me on another.

Guy, its *easy* to admit you were wrong on this 'paper' thing. Try it,
you'll feel better and the rest of the group won't consider you to be
such a tit.

The other spinoff is that your killfile will inevitably become smaller
as you won't have to KF everyone who proves you wrong.

but then again, it is funny watching you dig, dig and dig a little more!

g.
 

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