Ceramique Again

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Ed Light

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To the unbelievers ;-)

I've found some tests of Arctic Ceramique which tend to show that it does
indeed work better than lots of other stuff. Most of the tests don't give
the compounds time to break in. The degrees C difference I give in the
blurbs are the best ones, like what it was at load.

Ceramique is only $4-5 (US), easy to get off with isopropyl alcohol, and
nice to put on as you don't have to spread it on the cpu. Instructions at:

http://www.arcticsilver.com/ceramique_instructions.htm

Product page:

http://www.arcticsilver.com/ceramique.htm#crev



Ceramique wipes Thermaltake "ordinary compound" by 7C

http://www.myworldhardware.com/v4/articles.php?ID=36&Page_ID=2

Amazingly, it trounced Cooler Master Premium by 3C:

http://www.overclockersclub.com/reviews/cm_premium_thermal_compound_p2.php

Ceramique eats Arctic Alumina by 3C:

http://www.8ballshardware.com/articles/ceramique/page1.cfm

Beats Arctic Silver 3 by 1C:

http://www.ratepcmods.com/RevPages/cer/cer.htm

Beats Arctic Silver 3 by up to almost 3C:

http://www.overclockersclub.com/reviews/articsilvercermaiquereview.php

Beats AS3 and Antec a little:

http://www.gruntville.com/reviews/thermal/as_ceramique/index.php

Beats Arctic Silver + Carbon Black (huh? :-| )

http://www.lostcircuits.com/advice/carbon_black/

Beats AS by 2C -- and broken in, to boot!

http://www.xtremetek.com/reviews/index.php?id=46&page=1

Beats AS by 2.5C

http://www.voidedwarranty.com/PC_Cooling_Reviews/p2_articleid/40

Beats Alumina slightly:

http://www.thetechlounge.com/articles.php?id=26



Actually, these are the reviews listed on the Ceramique product page.

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EdG

Note: posted concurrently to
alt.comp.hardware.overclocking.amd
alt.comp.hardware.amd.x86-64


To the unbelievers ;-)

I've found some tests of Arctic Ceramique which tend to show that it does
indeed work better than lots of other stuff. Most of the tests don't give
the compounds time to break in. The degrees C difference I give in the
blurbs are the best ones, like what it was at load.

Ceramique is only $4-5 (US), easy to get off with isopropyl alcohol, and
nice to put on as you don't have to spread it on the cpu. Instructions at:

http://www.arcticsilver.com/ceramique_instructions.htm

Product page:
Click to expand...

Works for me, room temp 70.0F, CPU 52C with one copy of P95 fpu stress
test running on each CPU core,plus surfing, etc,etc,

AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 4200+
x86 Family 15 Model 43 Stepping 1
AMD64 K450 HS/Fan.
-------------------------------
Stock MHz.. 2200 MHz
BootUp..... 2596 MHz
-------------------------------
CPU Speed.. 2596 MHz
DDR Speed.. 236 MHz
HyperTrns.. 944 MHz
Clock...... 236
Multiple... 11x
HyperTrns.. 4x
Vcore...... 1.350
Vcore OC... 1.375
CPU OC%.... 18 %
Vcore OC%.. 1.85 %

Haven't even tried to push it more yet, wicked @ 2.6! :)
EdG
 
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Ed Light

EdG said:
AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 4200+
x86 Family 15 Model 43 Stepping 1
AMD64 K450 HS/Fan.
-------------------------------
Stock MHz.. 2200 MHz
BootUp..... 2596 MHz
-------------------------------
CPU Speed.. 2596 MHz
DDR Speed.. 236 MHz
HyperTrns.. 944 MHz
Clock...... 236
Multiple... 11x
HyperTrns.. 4x
Vcore...... 1.350
Vcore OC... 1.375
CPU OC%.... 18 %
Vcore OC%.. 1.85 %

Haven't even tried to push it more yet, wicked @ 2.6! :)
Click to expand...

That's amazing on such low voltage!

Guess my Winnie is ancient history! It does 2.4 on 1.45.

The future looks rosy.


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Malcolm

EdG said:
Works for me, room temp 70.0F, CPU 52C with one copy of P95 fpu stress
test running on each CPU core,plus surfing, etc,etc,

AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 4200+
x86 Family 15 Model 43 Stepping 1
AMD64 K450 HS/Fan.
-------------------------------
Stock MHz.. 2200 MHz
BootUp..... 2596 MHz
-------------------------------
CPU Speed.. 2596 MHz
DDR Speed.. 236 MHz
HyperTrns.. 944 MHz
Clock...... 236
Multiple... 11x
HyperTrns.. 4x
Vcore...... 1.350
Vcore OC... 1.375
CPU OC%.... 18 %
Vcore OC%.. 1.85 %

Haven't even tried to push it more yet, wicked @ 2.6! :)
EdG
Click to expand...
Hi
What RAM are you using and at what voltage? Have some ceramique but haven't
used it yet...
 
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EdG

That's amazing on such low voltage!

Guess my Winnie is ancient history! It does 2.4 on 1.45.

The future looks rosy.
Click to expand...

I't might even do 2.6 at stock voltage I never tried,, I started out @
1.40V, then found out it didn't that much after all, be nice if it runs
stable @ 2.8GHz @ 1.40V! :)
Cheers,
EdG
 
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EdG

One thing about Arctic Ceramique though, it makes the heatsink stick to
the cpu if use a little too much, and in my experience (About 8 cpus
now) I see no temp difference bEtween using Artic Silver 3 or Arctic
Ceramique.

EdG
 
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Ed Light

EdG said:
One thing about Arctic Ceramique though, it makes the heatsink stick to
the cpu if use a little too much, and in my experience (About 8 cpus
now) I see no temp difference bEtween using Artic Silver 3 or Arctic
Ceramique.
Click to expand...

I thought it came right off, like Alumina. Oops. Haven't removed it yet.
Must be my imagination running wild.

Did you use a dot like they say? It says not to spread it, but to use a dot
and wiggle the heatsink after fastening it down.
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Frank_v7.0

Ed said:
I thought it came right off, like Alumina. Oops. Haven't removed it yet.
Must be my imagination running wild.

Did you use a dot like they say? It says not to spread it, but to use a dot
and wiggle the heatsink after fastening it down.
Click to expand...
It comes off easy enough. Just give a little twist to break the seal
(suction?)..whatever. I tried it both ways (small dab vs. thin layer)
and can't see any appreciable difference. I do "fog" the surface of the
heat sink like they suggest. I use an old credit card to get a layer so
thin it is translucent and I start with a small dab as per their
instructions.
 
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Ed Light

Frank_v7.0 said:
It comes off easy enough. Just give a little twist to break the seal
(suction?)..whatever. I tried it both ways (small dab vs. thin layer) and
can't see any appreciable difference. I do "fog" the surface of the heat
sink like they suggest. I use an old credit card to get a layer so thin it
is translucent and I start with a small dab as per their instructions.
Click to expand...


Checking the instructions page for Ceramique, it says to clean it all off
without any solvent after applying it to the heatsink. I don't know if that
would make a difference.


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Frank_v7.0

Ed said:
Checking the instructions page for Ceramique, it says to clean it all off
without any solvent after applying it to the heatsink. I don't know if that
would make a difference.
Click to expand...
I start with a clean heatsink (xylene cleaner and no lint cloth) then I
use a Zip Loc bag on my finger and smear some Ceramique around the CPU
contact point on the heatsink. Then I buff it off with a lint free
whatever (no solvent or cleaning fluid). I start with a clean CPU also.
 
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John Saunders

Frank_v7.0 said:
I start with a clean heatsink (xylene cleaner and no lint cloth) then I
use a Zip Loc bag on my finger and smear some Ceramique around the CPU
contact point on the heatsink. Then I buff it off with a lint free
whatever (no solvent or cleaning fluid). I start with a clean CPU also.
Click to expand...

This technique works well with all thermal compounds that
are as runny as Ceramique. However the harder grey stuff
is not suitable.

It is suppose to reduce the occurence of air bubbles
getting trapped between the CPU and heatsink and reducing
the thermal interface. When I learned about this technique
I have used it with plain white thermal grease on north
and south bridge chips, GPUs and older CPUs and it works
well.

The first time you try this method, pull off the heatsink
when you have done and you will notice most of the grease
has been squished out around the edges. Very little
remains on the die and that is a good sign.
 
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EdG

Checking the instructions page for Ceramique, it says to clean it all off
without any solvent after applying it to the heatsink. I don't know if that
would make a difference.
Click to expand...

Sure it makes a difference, you run out sooner and have to buy more! (Or
at least they hope you buy more!)

I've tried it all different ways, IME, a nice clean CPU & HS with one
dab in the center of the AMD64's works the best, is the easiest, and
your not wasting the stuff.

Edg
 
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