Celeron vs Prescott vs Northwood?

P

Pat Coghlan

I think I've settled on a socket 478 mobo.

What are the main considerations in choosing between a Celeron/P4
Prescott/P4 Northwood?

They seem to be priced in this order (low-to-high).

Anything around 2.5G would be plenty fast, since I'm currently running a
233 MHz Celeron right now.

-Pat
 
D

Dave C.

Pat Coghlan said:
I think I've settled on a socket 478 mobo.

What are the main considerations in choosing between a Celeron/P4
Prescott/P4 Northwood?

They seem to be priced in this order (low-to-high).

Anything around 2.5G would be plenty fast, since I'm currently running a
233 MHz Celeron right now.

-Pat

Well, you don't want the Celeron. If you are going that route, you might as
well get an Athlon XP which will kick the crap out of the Celeron and cost
less. The prescott is a great processor. It is no faster and (contrary to
popular belief) no "hotter" than Northwood. If it's less expensive, go with
the prescott. -Dave
 
D

Dorothy Bradbury

P3-Celeron:
o Large cache (256KB) + Short Pipeline = Fast performance
---- example - Tualatin 1.2Ghz P3-Celeron were good performers

Old generation P4-Celeron:
o Small cache (128KB) + Long Pipeline = Stalled performance
---- benefit is ease of upgrade to higher speed P4 CPUs (plug them in)

New generation P4-Celeron (eg, 325D)
o Larger cache (512KB) + Longer Pipeline = Better performance
---- typically 10-30% quicker than same clock-speed old P4-Celeron

Old generation P4-Northwood
o Large cache (512KB) + Long Pipeline = Good performance
---- idle dissipation 35W+, max dissipation 75-90W

New generation P4-Prescott
o Larger cache (1024KB) + Longer Pipeline = Similar performance
---- on a few things a tiny bit quicker, on others a tiny bit slower
---- idle dissipation 50W+, max dissipation 80-110W


A Prescott will run a little hotter, however that just requires some
care in the integration at the Case + Motherboard + CPU (System).
o CPU-Cooler intake air temp on a P4-Prescott should be <38oC
---- so reported case temperature should be maintained <38oC
---- so exhaust fans need to remove CPU-cooler heated air fast enough
o CPU-Cooler intake air temp has 2 figures for noise level on Intel boards
---- low speed operation the intake air temp is <32oC, full speed is at >38oC
---- so reported case temperature should be maintained <32oC for low noise

Prescott run hotter (despite the drop in die size) since they have a higher
idle dissipation due to higher leakage current from a strained silicon basis.
The thermal difference is often overplayed, more an issue with old cases.

Since you are moving from a Cel-II/Cel-III...
o CPU-benefit -- P2-366 to P4-Celeron 2.4Ghz is ~10x faster on CPU
o I/O- benefit -- Depends on whether you are upgrading the HD also

When I upgraded from a P2-366 laptop to P4-Cel-2400 laptop I barely noticed
any speed difference because the HD was still 4200rpm (laptop 2.5") and most
of my work is I/O bound. I noticed screen redraws & computation were quicker,
but the biggest bottleneck for me was the actual hard-drive itself (little changed).

So which to choose similarly depends on your application:
o For general office use the P4-Celeron is fine
---- additionally you can upgrade to a full higher-speed P4 later
---- eg, a board taking 2.0Ghz Celeron typically takes 3.2Ghz P4 HT (2x quicker)
o You may also want to upgrade your hard-drive
---- you may have a small (low data-density) <10GB 5400rpm HD
---- in which case look for a higher capacity (higher data-density) 7200rpm HD

So it is important to distribute the spend around components - paying attention
to which is the most likely bottleneck. For many people, games aside, it tends to
be the hard-drive - P4s can move >6000MB/sec, a HD can barely do 40MB/sec.

An economic solution using Ebay:
o Pick up a quality Socket 478 motherboard -- eg, Asus or Intel D845 series
---- you can fit Celeron or Northwood P4s into that board from 2.0Ghz to 3.0-3.4Ghz
o Pick up a Celeron 2.4Ghz used or P4-1.8/2.0Ghz -- both are quite cheap
o If running XP/XP-Pro consider 384MB as the minimum (256MB ok for Win2k)

If buying brand new online/store:
o Intel LGA775 has replaced Socket 478 -- however LGA775 chips are "new generation"
---- so they have higher cooling requirements - and price tags
o Celeron is still adequate for most purposes
---- check carefully on price - Celeron are a bit overpriced vs P4/AMD solutions

Re storage, PSU:
o Seagate 7200rpm are good reliable drives
---- WD Raptor drives are *feelably faster* - a rarity with PC upgrades
o Sparkle/Fortron/FSP-Group PSUs are good quality units
---- no special gloss paint or 1/2-megawatt peak power output, just a reliable unit

There are AMD solutions:
o Sempron is basically an AMD Athlon XP -- it's a good + proven processor
---- faster than a Celeron, lower heat output
o With AMD the motherboard/chipset matter
---- look for a good brand like Asus or nVidia

If games are your concern the AMD platform is faster for less money.
If general office/business/home the Intel Celeron platform will perform fine - it will
not be slow, remember it will do computations ~10x quicker than your present PC.

If you find most of your current time is spent waiting for the hard-drive (as in seconds
as opposed to fractions of a second) I would personally consider a WD Raptor drive.
Otherwise a Seagate Barracuda 7200rpm unit would be quite adequate & well proven.

I would price out:
o Good P4 board (eg, Asus/Intel) + Celeron 2.4Ghz
o Good Sempron board (eg, Asus/nVidia) + Sempron 2600

Then consider if you also need/want to u/g the hard-drive - which for many people
is an oft neglected performance bottleneck. Additionally, it is worth changing your
HD every 3-4yrs simply due to bath-tub failure curve - it is the data that matters :)

Onboard graphics are most likely going to be fine - they are quite fast these days
even for low end games usage, more than enough for any business purposes.
 
P

Pat Coghlan

Excellent post. You've made me reconsider a Celeron. I rather like the
idea of using a cheaper CPU for now, and upgrading to a fast P4...if and
when we need one.

Our needs are strickly applications, not gaming or video editing.
 
D

Dorothy Bradbury

Excellent post. You've made me reconsider a Celeron. I rather
like the idea of using a cheaper CPU for now, and upgrading to
a fast P4...if and when we need one.

By which time the P4 will have depreciated still further, yet your old
Celeron depreciates to a relatively baseline level as "still a usable CPU".

Example:
o P4-2.8 ---- 2yrs ago £320 v £120 today
---- can buy P4-2.8 now for £85 on Ebay
o P4-2.0 ---- 2yrs ago £65 v £55 today
---- can sell P4-Cel now for £25 = lose £40-30
---- can buy P4-2.8 for £60 more

Early adoption is expensive.
Our needs are strickly applications, not gaming or video editing.

Celeron should be fine - and loss on the sunk cost when you sell it
will be relatively small, yet the future potential upgrade gain large.
 

Ask a Question

Want to reply to this thread or ask your own question?

You'll need to choose a username for the site, which only take a couple of moments. After that, you can post your question and our members will help you out.

Ask a Question

Top