Cat and MMC nightmare

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I purchased an ATI AIW 9600XT about a month ago. No problems with the card
in Windows 98 SE except for two monitor problems with multview.

So, stupid me decides to upgrade to XP SP2.

I tried installing Cat 6.4 and MMC 9.13. Problem is that I get "Unknown
AVStream Source 1". I tried Cat 6.3...same problem.

Finally I've downgraded to Cat 6.2 and MMC 9.08. Installed fine without
errors. Now the problem is video and sound stuters! F*#K!

I sent ATI an email describing the "Unknown AVSteam Source 1"....they sent
me an email saying it's a configuration problem. But they fail to mention
what's configured wrong....

This is the last ATI card I'm ever buying!!!

Does anyone have a solution .... ?

TIA
Chris.
 
NG User said:
I purchased an ATI AIW 9600XT about a month ago. No problems with the card
in Windows 98 SE except for two monitor problems with multview.

So, stupid me decides to upgrade to XP SP2.

I tried installing Cat 6.4 and MMC 9.13. Problem is that I get "Unknown
AVStream Source 1". I tried Cat 6.3...same problem.

Finally I've downgraded to Cat 6.2 and MMC 9.08. Installed fine without
errors. Now the problem is video and sound stuters! F*#K!

I sent ATI an email describing the "Unknown AVSteam Source 1"....they sent
me an email saying it's a configuration problem. But they fail to mention
what's configured wrong....

This is the last ATI card I'm ever buying!!!

Does anyone have a solution .... ?

TIA
Chris.
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Hydravision is for dual monitor support. Multview is for dual tuners. Don't
know that 9.13 has any benefit over 9.08 on the AIW. I assume they meant the
stuttering was a configuration problem. "Unknown AVSteam Source 1" Is their
Unified driver.
When going to older versions I think you should uninstall the old and run
the CatUninstaller, at least. That's what I did when I when I went back to
9.08.Order of installation is important. for details.
http://www.ati.com/install
 
This is what you need to do. Install MMC 9.061. I never liked MMC 9.08.
It had problems with guide plus+ too.
 
Hydravision is for dual monitor support. Multview is for dual tuners.
Don't
know that 9.13 has any benefit over 9.08 on the AIW.
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One advantage that 9.08 has over 9.13 is that 9.13 has no way to deactivate
TV-on-Demand, which may be why the OP's machine is stuttering. It's
doubtful, given that his original OS was 98 SE, that his machine is beefy
enough to handle TOD.

Alex


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T Shadow said:
Hydravision is for dual monitor support. Multview is for dual tuners.
Don't
know that 9.13 has any benefit over 9.08 on the AIW. I assume they meant
the
stuttering was a configuration problem. "Unknown AVSteam Source 1" Is
their
Unified driver.
When going to older versions I think you should uninstall the old and run
the CatUninstaller, at least. That's what I did when I when I went back to
9.08.Order of installation is important. for details.
http://www.ati.com/install
Click to expand...

Yes, I realize that Hydravision is for dual monitor support and Multview is
for dual tuners. I guess I should have specified that in my original post.
I have two monitors hooked up to the AIW 9600XT and I also have an ATI
Wonder Pro card. However, the stuttering is occuring without having
software installed for the ATI Wonder Pro card...so, I figured there is no
reason to complicate the post for nothing...sorry about that.

As for the "Unknown AVStream Source 1" message. I've tinkered with
computers for quite some time and usually consider any message that states
UNKNOWN to be a problem of some sort.

I'm really not at the stage yet where I've installed much of anything past
the installation of the ATI software and use Ghost to restore the partition
to the pre ATI software installation state. Hence, there is no way there
can be any remnents of ATI software. From experience, I know that there is
always some setting in the registry or some file left behind after an
uninstall of every type of software.

Thanks for the link to the install instructions....I originally installed
the software in sequence as listed on the download page....but I'll double
check to make sure.

Thanks for the info.
 
Alex Moreau said:
One advantage that 9.08 has over 9.13 is that 9.13 has no way to
deactivate TV-on-Demand, which may be why the OP's machine is stuttering.
It's doubtful, given that his original OS was 98 SE, that his machine is
beefy enough to handle TOD.

Alex
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That's exactly why I uninstalled 9.13. I couldn't turn off the damned
TV-on-Demand! I thought it was a programming flaw!?

I got rid of 9.13 and Cat 6.4 because
a) Unknown AVStream Source 1
b) Could not turn off TOD

Now you folks are telling me that this is the way it's supposed to be?

OK, the Unknown driver name I can overlook but, what's the point of having
TOD on permanently? Please correct me if this is a wrong statement but I
thought that TOD on means that the TV signal is constantly being recorded to
my hard drive!? If so, that's wear and tear on the hard drive I don't care
for. Is there a registry hack to disable it?

As for my systems specs.
Athlon Mobile 2500+ clocked to 2365Mhz ( 11 x 215 )
1024MB Crucial memory set to 215Mhz

I figure that's more then enough horse power....no?
 
I will give it a try tomorrow....thx.
KernelPanic said:
This is what you need to do. Install MMC 9.061. I never liked MMC 9.08.
It had problems with guide plus+ too.
Click to expand...
 
Alex Moreau said:
One advantage that 9.08 has over 9.13 is that 9.13 has no way to deactivate
TV-on-Demand, which may be why the OP's machine is stuttering. It's
doubtful, given that his original OS was 98 SE, that his machine is beefy
enough to handle TOD.

Alex


<snip>
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I use TVoD(@reduced quality) on this my internet computer with an AIW128pro
,P3-450 dual booting either standard W98 or W2K. I had no problems with 9.13
just using the AIW9600XT on the video computer. Have a HDTV Wonder so
somewhat used to the TVoD.
Theirs a registry hack for the TVoD on rage3d.com. I went back because of
crashing with the HDTV Wonder.
 
One advantage that 9.08 has over 9.13 is that 9.13 has no way to
deactivate TV-on-Demand, which may be why the OP's machine is stuttering.
It's doubtful, given that his original OS was 98 SE, that his machine is
beefy enough to handle TOD.
Click to expand...

I have a 3.06 GHz P4 with 4GB dual channel RAM and an ATA133 500GB
hard drive with 300GB free and TOD still makes my machine stutter.
Just how much machine do I need to run it?

Tom Lake
 
Tom Lake said:
I have a 3.06 GHz P4 with 4GB dual channel RAM and an ATA133 500GB
hard drive with 300GB free and TOD still makes my machine stutter.
Just how much machine do I need to run it?
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I've only been able to run it stably at a lowered resolution.

Alex
 
Alex said:
I've only been able to run it stably at a lowered resolution.

Alex
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I use an Athlon 3000xp with 1GB dual channel ram and 300 gig ATA133
RAID 0 (2 Maxtor 160GB drives) with an HDTV Wonder and no trace of
stutter. CCC6.1 and MMC9.13. BUT its important to load any chipset
drivers that came with the mobo. I WAS getting stuttering before I
loaded the chipset drivers. Checking the Task Manager performance was
50% to 70% busy when stuttering before the drivers. After the drivers,
it runs between 11% and 40%, mostly the low 30s. The machine is
recording native HD, some channels up to 2 megabytes/second. On the
lower data rate channels (notably KTTV Fox 11 in LA) running 1
megabte/second, the cpu usage is lower. I ran MMC9.06 last year on a
Sempron 2500, 512MB ram and single 160 gig drive and no stutter with
that machine either.

With the HDTV Wonder, all the 9.xx versions of MMC have TOD on all the
time. The video card is a Radeon 9600 pro using a DVI link to a Samsung
DLP with 720 imager. I don't know if it would be a problem at 1920x1080
but I'd like to have a chance to try it.

I tried 'Turbo' settings in the BIOS but the HDTV Wonder wouldn't
initialize so back to 'normal' there.

GG
 
NG User said:
Yes, I realize that Hydravision is for dual monitor support and Multview is
for dual tuners. I guess I should have specified that in my original post.
I have two monitors hooked up to the AIW 9600XT and I also have an ATI
Wonder Pro card. However, the stuttering is occuring without having
software installed for the ATI Wonder Pro card...so, I figured there is no
reason to complicate the post for nothing...sorry about that.

As for the "Unknown AVStream Source 1" message. I've tinkered with
computers for quite some time and usually consider any message that states
UNKNOWN to be a problem of some sort.

I'm really not at the stage yet where I've installed much of anything past
the installation of the ATI software and use Ghost to restore the partition
to the pre ATI software installation state. Hence, there is no way there
can be any remnents of ATI software. From experience, I know that there is
always some setting in the registry or some file left behind after an
uninstall of every type of software.

Thanks for the link to the install instructions....I originally installed
the software in sequence as listed on the download page....but I'll double
check to make sure.

Thanks for the info.
Click to expand...
I don't use the Hydravision but IIRC it says it uses more resources. You
might try disabling it to see if that helps.
The "Unknown AVStream Source 1" was a shocker when I saw it but I wasn't
having any problems and it didn't take long for references to it to show up
on rage3d.com.
The Registry is a complicated beast so can't disagree but I've used every
version of MMC on the website from 9.01 to 9.13 and back to 9.08 without
working on it. Noticed yesterday my desktop icon for DTV still says Unified
TV app(or something to that affect) so it didn't get reset but everything
seems to be working the same as before. I notice the install link I gave,
gives info on cleaning the registry so maybe I've just been lucky.
 
I use an Athlon 3000xp with 1GB dual channel ram and 300 gig ATA133
RAID 0 (2 Maxtor 160GB drives) with an HDTV Wonder and no trace of
stutter. CCC6.1 and MMC9.13. BUT its important to load any chipset
drivers that came with the mobo.
Click to expand...

I generally do have the chipset drivers up to date. In the case of the board
I'm using right now, however, I made the mistake of loading the nForce3 IDE
drivers as well. That was a mistake. I've been using ATI cards for about 5
years now and have never had much luck with TVOD without turning the quality
settings down. In fact, most all TV recording I've done has been with a
Navis Pro w/NTSC tuner (a great card with high quality DVD compliant mpeg2
output). The AIW output just can't match it.

ALex
 
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