Can't install XP on this new machine

R

roger

Same guy - second problem!

I think I blew it this time.

I bought a Gigabyte GA-F2A88X-D3H ATX FM2 motherboard from Mwave.com
and a AMD A10-5800K 3.8GHz Quad-Core FM2 CPU from Amazon.

I wanted to install XP and W7 on the same system, and multi-boot. Now
I find that I can't install XP - I get a screenofdeath saying the disk
drive is bad. But I was able to install W7 on that drive. Therefore
the drive is good. Can't get around this I guess, huh?

*)(*&%&$$#
Big Fred
 
R

roger

Same guy - second problem!

I think I blew it this time.

I bought a Gigabyte GA-F2A88X-D3H ATX FM2 motherboard from Mwave.com
and a AMD A10-5800K 3.8GHz Quad-Core FM2 CPU from Amazon.

I wanted to install XP and W7 on the same system, and multi-boot. Now
I find that I can't install XP - I get a screenofdeath saying the disk
drive is bad. But I was able to install W7 on that drive. Therefore
the drive is good. Can't get around this I guess, huh?

*)(*&%&$$#
Big Fred


I am really confused. Google tells me that I must use the 'Triniity'
model of this CPU in order to handle Windows XP. I bought the thing
from Amazon thinking that was what I was buying. In fact, I bought #
AD580KWOHJBOX, but I see no 'Trinity' logo on the box or CPU.
I have queried Amazon by web, but as yet no reply.

Big Fred
 
P

Paul

Same guy - second problem!

I think I blew it this time.

I bought a Gigabyte GA-F2A88X-D3H ATX FM2 motherboard from Mwave.com
and a AMD A10-5800K 3.8GHz Quad-Core FM2 CPU from Amazon.

I wanted to install XP and W7 on the same system, and multi-boot. Now
I find that I can't install XP - I get a screenofdeath saying the disk
drive is bad. But I was able to install W7 on that drive. Therefore
the drive is good. Can't get around this I guess, huh?

*)(*&%&$$#
Big Fred

For easiest installation, you install WinXP first, then Windows 7.
That allows the installer DVD on Windows 7, to set up boot
management for both OSes. In that case, a Windows 7 partition
is doing the booting (is marked with the boot flag), and the
two OS choices in the boot manager, are stored in BCD (not
boot.ini). So a BCD file is in control, bcdedit or EasyBCD
can be used to edit the contents.

If you install WinXP then Windows 7, you "don't have to know
anything". If you reverse the order, install Windows 7 then
WinXP, the WinXP install will wipe the 440 bytes of MBR boot
code. You need to do the equivalent of "fixmbr" with the
Windows 7 DVD and recovery console, change the boot flag to
point again to the Windows 7 booting partition, and then
Windows 7 will be the one and only OS choice at startup.
Then, using bcdedit or EasyBCD or whatever that utility
is that does a "rebuild BCD", you rebuild the BCD menu so
it includes both Windows 7 and WinXP. That's an off-the-cuff
summary without web page to back it up. I expect if you look,
there will be a web page that walks through the details.

At one time, EasyBCD was free, but now I'm not so sure
about that. If you had a moderately old version of
EasyBCD, you could use that when editing. EasyBCD
provides a GUI for the boot menu setup, whereas
bcdedit from Microsoft is a command line utility.
At one time, examples of usage of bcdedit were
pretty sparse, but now I can find more detailed
tutorials and examples.

*******

It's a UEFI motherboard. Might want to set it to "legacy"
when installing, in terms of boot support. (I use the FTP
download link, for highest download bandwidth of the manual,
which is why it is coming from .ru .) Page 45 shows the
defaults seem thoughtfully selected (see "CSM Support"
and the next entry).

ftp://download.gigabyte.ru/manual/mb_manual_ga-f2a88x-d3h_e.pdf

If you wish to keep the current Windows 7 install happy,
when changing BIOS hard drive settings, you'll need
to use the regedit "rearm" hack to get Windows 7 to
re-evaluate drivers and boot from the new setting.
So you'd rearm (use Regedit) first in Windows 7, shut down,
go into BIOS settings, change between AHCI and IDE-PATA mode,
boot Windows 7 again, then when Windows 7 appears happy again,
boot the WinXP installer CD and do whatever you want with the
new disk operating mode. .

"How to enable Ide, Ahci, n/m raid mode without reinstalling"
http://www.ocztechnologyforum.com/forum/archive/index.php/t-57789.html

The Gigabyte download page has an F6 floppy driver package
for AHCI, if you choose to use that mode of SATA setting.
Presumably this formats a floppy (1440KB) and leaves
a set of driver files (txtsetup.oem plus friends). Once the
OS is up, you can use the motherboard CD to get some
drivers into the thing. The F6 step is only required
for drivers that are "critical" to first boot. And on
WinXP, that would be AHCI disk support.

http://download.gigabyte.us/FileList/Driver/mb_driver_amd_sataraid_bootdisk_hseries_xp.exe

It's possible, if you have an ancient WinXP Gold CD (initial
release), that it could cause a problem with IDE/PATA mode.
If installing WinXP at this late date, you want to slipstream
in the SP3 redistributable, and make yourself an SP3 disc.
That way, there will be way fewer issues. NLite can do stuff
like that.

"Integrate a Service Pack" - you burn a new CD with the new ISO

http://www.nliteos.com/guide/part1.html

"SP3 redistributable"

http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=24

With the SP3 disc in hand, things will go a lot smoother.
At the very least, you should be using SP2 slipstream or
SP3 slipstream, because it's also remotely possible
you're having a ">137GB support" issue with an ancient
WinXP CD.

So if I was doing it:

1) IDE mode for disks.
2) Slipstream up a WinXP SP3 disc, burn a new CD.
3) Install WinXP from new CD. No F6 needed due to (1).
4) Install Windows 7 from DVD. Boot menu should show
two OSes, automatically. Job done (plus or minus
all the driver crap of course).

HTH,
Paul
 
P

philo 

Same guy - second problem!

I think I blew it this time.

I bought a Gigabyte GA-F2A88X-D3H ATX FM2 motherboard from Mwave.com
and a AMD A10-5800K 3.8GHz Quad-Core FM2 CPU from Amazon.

I wanted to install XP and W7 on the same system, and multi-boot. Now
I find that I can't install XP - I get a screenofdeath saying the disk
drive is bad. But I was able to install W7 on that drive. Therefore
the drive is good. Can't get around this I guess, huh?

*)(*&%&$$#
Big Fred



UEFI Bios maybe???


Since win7 is now installed why not just install XP in a virtual machine?
 
R

roger

Are you using seperate HDs? If you are, maybe try to install XP on one
of the drives with your Windows 7 drive out of the system.

I had just one drive connected, a brand new one. But I got the same
BSOD with a second drive I had in the closet, also connected by
itself. The XP install gets the BSOD immediately after doing the
initial loading, before any drive selection occurred. Just as a test,
I tried the same installs on both drives, one at a time of course,
with a W7 install disk I have, and it installed and runs just fine.

I think the CPU simply will not handle XP somehow.

Thanks

Big Fred
 
P

Paul

I had just one drive connected, a brand new one. But I got the same
BSOD with a second drive I had in the closet, also connected by
itself. The XP install gets the BSOD immediately after doing the
initial loading, before any drive selection occurred. Just as a test,
I tried the same installs on both drives, one at a time of course,
with a W7 install disk I have, and it installed and runs just fine.

I think the CPU simply will not handle XP somehow.

Thanks

Big Fred

Give use the BSOD numbers.

There should be a STOP code. Like 0x7B (hexadecimal).
A text string like "Inaccessible boot volume".
The other numbers come in handy too.
Sometimes, there's even the name of a driver.

You can read about them here, if you don't want to play along.

http://aumha.org/a/stop.htm

Paul
 
R

roger

I am really confused. Google tells me that I must use the 'Triniity'
model of this CPU in order to handle Windows XP. I bought the thing
from Amazon thinking that was what I was buying. In fact, I bought #
AD580KWOHJBOX, but I see no 'Trinity' logo on the box or CPU.
I have queried Amazon by web, but as yet no reply.

Big Fred

As I said, I bought the combo:
Gigabyte GA-F2A88X-D3H ATX FM2 motherboard from Mwave.com
and a AMD A10-5800K 3.8GHz Quad-Core FM2 CPU from Amazon.

I found the CPU (APU) only at Amazon and Newegg, and bought it at
Amazon because it was a bit cheaper.
Newegg's was at
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...a-_-na-_-na&cm_sp=&AID=10446076&PID=3938566&S
and Amazon's was at http://www.amazon.com/dp/B0095VP8D4/?tag=pcpapi-20
PCPartPicker links to both, snd so I assumed they be the same. I
don't think so now because now I see that Amazon also sells another
5800 at:
http://www.amazon.com/AMD-5800K-APU...2875347&sr=8-1&keywords=amd+a10+5800k+qc+apus

and although I cannot remember where I saw it and I cannot now find
it, but I read that to run XP you could not use the one I bought. I
read that after I bought the thing of course.

So first I am concluding that I have to try to get Amazon to take
back the CPU I bought, and second maybe I should buy the other one
above. But I have to wonder, should I stick with this CPU (5800)?

Can you Paul, or anyone else, suggest another maybe even better CPU
(APU) that'll work with this Gigabyte board I bought? Good grief I
hope that wasn't a mistake too.

Thanks all

Big Fred
 
R

roger

As I said, I bought the combo:
Gigabyte GA-F2A88X-D3H ATX FM2 motherboard from Mwave.com
and a AMD A10-5800K 3.8GHz Quad-Core FM2 CPU from Amazon.

I found the CPU (APU) only at Amazon and Newegg, and bought it at
Amazon because it was a bit cheaper.
Newegg's was at
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...a-_-na-_-na&cm_sp=&AID=10446076&PID=3938566&S
and Amazon's was at http://www.amazon.com/dp/B0095VP8D4/?tag=pcpapi-20
PCPartPicker links to both, snd so I assumed they be the same. I
don't think so now because now I see that Amazon also sells another
5800 at:
http://www.amazon.com/AMD-5800K-APU...2875347&sr=8-1&keywords=amd+a10+5800k+qc+apus

and although I cannot remember where I saw it and I cannot now find
it, but I read that to run XP you could not use the one I bought. I
read that after I bought the thing of course.

So first I am concluding that I have to try to get Amazon to take
back the CPU I bought, and second maybe I should buy the other one
above. But I have to wonder, should I stick with this CPU (5800)?

Can you Paul, or anyone else, suggest another maybe even better CPU
(APU) that'll work with this Gigabyte board I bought? Good grief I
hope that wasn't a mistake too.

Thanks all

Big Fred

Been doing some more reading and found this at:


http://www.hardwarecentral.com/show...-Intel-AHCI-SATA-drivers-into-WinXP-boot-disk

======================================================================
Slipstream(for lack of better term) Intel AHCI SATA drivers into WinXP
boot disk

I used WinIso to create and edit the iso file. Here is where you
can learn to do the rest.

http://www.msfn.org/board/index.php?act=ST&f=70&t=77999

Nice tutorial. Is working perfectly at the moment.

Without this on my new HP laptop I could not see the harddrives to
reinstall windows.
====================================================================

This sounds like my problem and its solution. Not having ever
used slipstreaming before, and not having the needed drivers (I
guess for XP), I have to wonder if this old man can handle this one.
What's worse, I am becoming increasingly fearful that no AMD socket
FM2 CPU (excuse me, APU) will handle XP. In which case I really blew
it!

Big Fred
 
P

Paul

Been doing some more reading and found this at:


http://www.hardwarecentral.com/show...-Intel-AHCI-SATA-drivers-into-WinXP-boot-disk

======================================================================
Slipstream(for lack of better term) Intel AHCI SATA drivers into WinXP
boot disk

I used WinIso to create and edit the iso file. Here is where you
can learn to do the rest.

http://www.msfn.org/board/index.php?act=ST&f=70&t=77999

Nice tutorial. Is working perfectly at the moment.

Without this on my new HP laptop I could not see the harddrives to
reinstall windows.
====================================================================

This sounds like my problem and its solution. Not having ever
used slipstreaming before, and not having the needed drivers (I
guess for XP), I have to wonder if this old man can handle this one.
What's worse, I am becoming increasingly fearful that no AMD socket
FM2 CPU (excuse me, APU) will handle XP. In which case I really blew
it!

Big Fred

1) You don't need to return the CPU.

Take your machine to a shop, and have them install WinXP
if you don't need the aggravation.

2) You have options for the hard drive port settings.
They can be set to IDE/PATA or to AHCI. If you use
IDE/PATA, then there is no need to slipstream an AHCI
driver.

3) The NLite tool should do it all for you.

a) Determine the WinXP CD version. Is it Gold (original release),
SP1, SP2, SP3 ? If it is modern enough, it might
need little in the way of modification.

b) The Gigabyte site has a tiny download for making
an "F6 floppy". And you'd use that if you insist on
using AHCI disk mode in the BIOS.

c) You can copy the files off the floppy, and feed them
to NLite. NLite accepts drivers for slipstreaming,
as long as they are in "txtsetup.oem" format. The
files on the floppy, are in exactly the right format.

So, in order of consideration:

1) Set BIOS to IDE/PATA mode. Not AHCI.

2) Is the WinXP CD modern enough ?
If not, use NLite to prepare a new CD.
"WinXP Gold + SP3" perhaps. If you're already at SP2
or SP3, you might skip this step.

You can get your 317MB SP3 file from here.

http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=24

3) If you insist on a disk operating mode that WinXP
doesn't have, then the slipstream effort will need
to add two things. The set of files off the floppy, plus
adding the SP3 service pack.
"WinXP Gold + SP3 + txtsetup.oem" perhaps.

I'm sure you'll get it going. You haven't given
any signs yet of an insurmountable problem.

These are the AHCI drivers from AMD. I can open these
with 7ZIP, so I expect they're self-extracting. At
the top level, includes txtsetup.oem. Copy all
the files into a place where NLite can see them.
Follow the tutorial on the NLite site.

http://download.gigabyte.us/FileList/Driver/mb_driver_amd_sataraid_bootdisk_hseries_xp.exe

If your computer had a floppy interface and floppy
drive, those 375KB roughly of files, could be placed
on a floppy. For pressing F6 early in the install,
and offering an AHCI driver. You might even try a
USB floppy drive if you have one. But if not,
don't despair, as the NLite Slipstream can add
drivers, or even add a Service Pack, as the
situation dictates.

Paul
 
L

Larry

Same guy - second problem!



I think I blew it this time.



I bought a Gigabyte GA-F2A88X-D3H ATX FM2 motherboard from Mwave.com

and a AMD A10-5800K 3.8GHz Quad-Core FM2 CPU from Amazon.



I wanted to install XP and W7 on the same system, and multi-boot. Now

I find that I can't install XP - I get a screenofdeath saying the disk

drive is bad. But I was able to install W7 on that drive. Therefore

the drive is good. Can't get around this I guess, huh?



*)(*&%&$$#

Big Fred

I am using xp in virtual mode with windows 7. Works and easy to install and it is a free download.
 
R

roger

1) You don't need to return the CPU.

Take your machine to a shop, and have them install WinXP
if you don't need the aggravation.

2) You have options for the hard drive port settings.
They can be set to IDE/PATA or to AHCI. If you use
IDE/PATA, then there is no need to slipstream an AHCI
driver.

The BIOS shows 'OnChip SATA Type having three options:
Native IDE
RAID
ACHI

Came with ACHI set. I tried other two - boot would not recognize DVD
drive nor XP SP3 disk.

Strikes me that even if I do get this thing to allow XP install/run,
that the sysem still won't allow XP and W7 to co-exist and multi-boot.

3) The NLite tool should do it all for you.

a) Determine the WinXP CD version. Is it Gold (original release),
SP1, SP2, SP3 ? If it is modern enough, it might
need little in the way of modification.


XP PRO SP3
b) The Gigabyte site has a tiny download for making
an "F6 floppy". And you'd use that if you insist on
using AHCI disk mode in the BIOS.

c) You can copy the files off the floppy, and feed them
to NLite. NLite accepts drivers for slipstreaming,
as long as they are in "txtsetup.oem" format. The
files on the floppy, are in exactly the right format.

I'd have to add a floppy drive to the system, which I can do.
 
R

roger

1) You don't need to return the CPU.

Take your machine to a shop, and have them install WinXP
if you don't need the aggravation.

2) You have options for the hard drive port settings.
They can be set to IDE/PATA or to AHCI. If you use
IDE/PATA, then there is no need to slipstream an AHCI
driver.

3) The NLite tool should do it all for you.

a) Determine the WinXP CD version. Is it Gold (original release),
SP1, SP2, SP3 ? If it is modern enough, it might
need little in the way of modification.

b) The Gigabyte site has a tiny download for making
an "F6 floppy". And you'd use that if you insist on
using AHCI disk mode in the BIOS.

c) You can copy the files off the floppy, and feed them
to NLite. NLite accepts drivers for slipstreaming,
as long as they are in "txtsetup.oem" format. The
files on the floppy, are in exactly the right format.

So, in order of consideration:

1) Set BIOS to IDE/PATA mode. Not AHCI.

2) Is the WinXP CD modern enough ?
If not, use NLite to prepare a new CD.
"WinXP Gold + SP3" perhaps. If you're already at SP2
or SP3, you might skip this step.

You can get your 317MB SP3 file from here.

http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=24

3) If you insist on a disk operating mode that WinXP
doesn't have, then the slipstream effort will need
to add two things. The set of files off the floppy, plus
adding the SP3 service pack.
"WinXP Gold + SP3 + txtsetup.oem" perhaps.

I'm sure you'll get it going. You haven't given
any signs yet of an insurmountable problem.

These are the AHCI drivers from AMD. I can open these
with 7ZIP, so I expect they're self-extracting. At
the top level, includes txtsetup.oem. Copy all
the files into a place where NLite can see them.
Follow the tutorial on the NLite site.

http://download.gigabyte.us/FileList/Driver/mb_driver_amd_sataraid_bootdisk_hseries_xp.exe

If your computer had a floppy interface and floppy
drive, those 375KB roughly of files, could be placed
on a floppy. For pressing F6 early in the install,
and offering an AHCI driver. You might even try a
USB floppy drive if you have one. But if not,
don't despair, as the NLite Slipstream can add
drivers, or even add a Service Pack, as the
situation dictates.

Paul


And as a matter of fact, I don't even know if the alternate CPU I
cited before at
http://www.amazon.com/AMD-5800K-APU...2875347&sr=8-1&keywords=amd+a10+5800k+qc+apus
will handle multi-boot XP and W7 either. Maybe just XP. That would
be worse.

Big Fred
 
R

roger

1) You don't need to return the CPU.

Take your machine to a shop, and have them install WinXP
if you don't need the aggravation.

2) You have options for the hard drive port settings.
They can be set to IDE/PATA or to AHCI. If you use
IDE/PATA, then there is no need to slipstream an AHCI
driver.

3) The NLite tool should do it all for you.

a) Determine the WinXP CD version. Is it Gold (original release),
SP1, SP2, SP3 ? If it is modern enough, it might
need little in the way of modification.

b) The Gigabyte site has a tiny download for making
an "F6 floppy". And you'd use that if you insist on
using AHCI disk mode in the BIOS.

c) You can copy the files off the floppy, and feed them
to NLite. NLite accepts drivers for slipstreaming,
as long as they are in "txtsetup.oem" format. The
files on the floppy, are in exactly the right format.

So, in order of consideration:

1) Set BIOS to IDE/PATA mode. Not AHCI.

2) Is the WinXP CD modern enough ?
If not, use NLite to prepare a new CD.
"WinXP Gold + SP3" perhaps. If you're already at SP2
or SP3, you might skip this step.

You can get your 317MB SP3 file from here.

http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=24

3) If you insist on a disk operating mode that WinXP
doesn't have, then the slipstream effort will need
to add two things. The set of files off the floppy, plus
adding the SP3 service pack.
"WinXP Gold + SP3 + txtsetup.oem" perhaps.

I'm sure you'll get it going. You haven't given
any signs yet of an insurmountable problem.

These are the AHCI drivers from AMD. I can open these
with 7ZIP, so I expect they're self-extracting. At
the top level, includes txtsetup.oem. Copy all
the files into a place where NLite can see them.
Follow the tutorial on the NLite site.

http://download.gigabyte.us/FileList/Driver/mb_driver_amd_sataraid_bootdisk_hseries_xp.exe

If your computer had a floppy interface and floppy
drive, those 375KB roughly of files, could be placed
on a floppy. For pressing F6 early in the install,
and offering an AHCI driver. You might even try a
USB floppy drive if you have one. But if not,
don't despair, as the NLite Slipstream can add
drivers, or even add a Service Pack, as the
situation dictates.

Paul

And as a matter of fact, I haveno confidence the alternate CPU I cited
at
http://www.amazon.com/AMD-5800K-APU...2875347&sr=8-1&keywords=amd+a10+5800k+qc+apus
will handle multi-boot XP and W7 either. Maybe just XP. That would
be worse.

Big Fred
 
P

Paul

The BIOS shows 'OnChip SATA Type having three options:
Native IDE
RAID
ACHI

Came with ACHI set. I tried other two - boot would not recognize DVD
drive nor XP SP3 disk.

Strikes me that even if I do get this thing to allow XP install/run,
that the sysem still won't allow XP and W7 to co-exist and multi-boot.

Sure it will. Again, moving on your existing trajectory
(Windows 7 installed first, WinXP second), the install will
need some slight tweaks, but you can get Windows 7 to
continue managing the boot after that. It's just a bit
harder. And you'll have some annoying things happen along the
way.

If I was doing it here, and I was doing the process in the
previous paragraph, I'd want two computers. The second
computer would be a working computer, for researching on
the Internet, while my first computer is "completely broken".
It's going to be that kind of experience. But, you can
get it to work.

I would ask you the question "how much effort would it
be to install Windows 7 again", as a means of reducing
the work required for your dual boot. If you cleaned
off the disk (use Diskpart in recovery console), you could
start over again with the WinXP step. Then install Windows 7.

If you have room somewhere for backups, you could take a
backup snapshot of your Windows 7 work to date. If you
don't like how things are going, just put Windows 7 back
again. It really all depends on what you have invested
in Windows 7, as to whether it's worth doing it the
harder way. I would certainly try it, because I do
stuff like that "for the experience" :)
XP PRO SP3

I'd have to add a floppy drive to the system, which I can do.

So that sounds like you're reasonably well prepared. If you
leave it set at AHCI, ahd you have the floppy drive available
to you, you can press F6 when prompted by the WinXP installer CD,
and offer the txtsetup.oem and associated files.

So really, the tougher part, is doing the WinXP install,
then repairing the damage so you can use Windows 7 later.
WinXP cannot (easily) manage the booting of Windows 7,
but Windows 7 can manage WinXP. That's why, once WinXP
is installed, you need to put back the Windows 7 MBR,
set the appropriate Windows 7 partition boot flag to
active, so that Windows 7 will again boot. Then modify
the BCD with bcdedit (or use the tool that rebuilds
a BCD), so that the Windows 7 boot menu has two
entries in it - Win7 on one line, WinXP on the other.

So let's draw some pictures. The below are not drawn to
scale, and the OS partitions are much larger than SYSTEM
RESERVED (booting) partition. Win7 OS and WinXP OS
have the majority of files. Some Windows 7 installations,
the SYSTEM RESERVED is rolled into the Win7 partition.
But if you didn't take special precautions, it looks my
drawing. So this is your disk right now. Note that the
SYSTEM RESERVED could be in front of or behind Win7 OS,
and that aspect isn't particularly important. Actually,
I just changed my drawing, to the way that leaves room
to shrink or adjust the size of Windows 7. If Win7 OS
is on the right, we can shrink or expand the end, to make
room for the WinXP install.

+------------+------------------+-----------+------------------+
| Win7 MBR | SYSTEM RESERVED | Win7 OS | (empty) |
| | Boot flag = 0x80 | | |
+------------+------------------+-----------+------------------+

If you use Disk Management, now would be a good time to set
the "label" on the Win7 OS partition to "WIN7" so you can
check you're accessing the correct partition at a later
date. Once I have my WinXP installed, I'd set the label
on that one to "WINXP" for the same reasoning. Label
the partitions when you get a chance.

OK, now we install WinXP. And two things get damaged. Now,
WinXP boots, but there is no sign of Windows 7.

+------------+------------------+-----------+------------------+
| WinXP MBR | SYSTEM RESERVED | Win7 OS | WinXP OS |
| Oops! | | | Boot flag = 0x80 |
+------------+------------------+-----------+------------------+

Boot Windows 7 installer DVD. Enter the recovery console.
It looks like a command prompt. You can see a command prompt
option at the bottom here. The installer DVD will probe
the partitions, and identify the partition with Windows 7
on it. (You can experiment with this now if you want,
and make sure the process goes smoothly. Type "exit" in the
Command Prompt window, and try and do a clean shutdown when
you're done.)

http://cdn.ghacks.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/F11xx19.bmp

The whole sequence for Recovery Console, is in this picture.

http://imageshack.us/a/img266/1904/eqz.gif

OK, now we need some recipes.

There's a "bootrec /fixmbr" here. The idea here, is to
put back the Win7 MBR, because that's a necessary part
of booting Windows 7 first (the boot manager thing).
(Click the "Bootrec.exe options" button on the web page.)

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/927392

There is also bootsect, but it can do both the partition boot
sector, as well as the MBR boot sector. And all we really want,
is a "Vista or greater" compatible MBR. You could use
bootsect /help first, to review the options.

http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/dd744577(v=WS.10).aspx

My guess is, the command would be:

bootsect /nt60 E: /mbr

since in the DVD scanning panel in my example imageshack photo,
my Windows 7 is labeled as E: . It uses the partition letter,
to figure out which hard drive to blast.

So bootsect is another way to fix the MBR, but it might
be a less preferred way to do it.

Now, the second job, is to move the boot flag.
It doesn't look like bootrec can do that, so
we use diskpart instead. The commands are typed
in capital letters, to make the commands easier to read
on the web page.

http://www.thpc.info/how/make_active.html

DISKPART (to open the partition utility)
LIST DISK (disk number(s) will be shown)
SELECT DISK n (where n is the number of the disk - probably 0)
LIST PARTITION (partition number(s) will be shown)
SELECT PARTITION n (where n is the number of the Primary partition
you wish to make Active)
*--- this would be SYSTEM RESERVED, if present

ACTIVE (the selected partition on the selected disk will be made Active)
*--- this sets the boot flag to 0x80 on the Selected Partition
EXIT (to exit DiskPart)
EXIT (to exit the Command Prompt)

If you get this one wrong, you'll be in serious
trouble. Because then, neither copy of Windows will boot.
And we need to do both of these commands, in the
same Recovery Console session. I wouldn't do
it this way, if that wasn't a requirement.

Now, it's actually easy to fix that, if you
get the diskpart wrong. There are at least a couple
methods. I could boot my Linux LiveCD and
fix the boot flag from there. Or, I could
carry the hard drive to my "working" computer,
and fix it from there. So when I say "serious
trouble", it would only be serious trouble
if I only owned the one computer.

At this point, now Windows 7 boots and WinXP does
not boot. The next step, involves either BCDEdit or
EasyBCD, but we'll leave that for another day.
(Like maybe, later today...)

*******

I'll need to dig around for a good bcdedit tutorial,
because bcdedit is a bear to work with. It might almost
be easier to do "bootrec /rebuildBCD", but where would
the fun be in that ? Let's hope the /rebuildBCD option
keeps a backup file, in case it fouls up. That's perhaps
what I don't like about the option - powerful, but
could make a mess if it goes wrong.

At one time, EasyBCD was free. And in those
days, I'd have had no trouble recommending it.
It was a fine product. And being GUI based,
not nearly as painful as reading all the bcdedit
command line options.

The purpose of rebuilding the BCD, is so both
Windows 7 and WinXP will appear in the Windows 7
boot manager. This can be done with bcdedit (painfully),
with bootrec (risky???), or with EasyBCD (price ?).

HTH,
Paul
 
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Paul

And as a matter of fact, I haveno confidence the alternate CPU I cited at

http://www.amazon.com/AMD-5800K-APU...2875347&sr=8-1&keywords=amd+a10+5800k+qc+apus
will handle multi-boot XP and W7 either. Maybe just XP. That would
be worse.

Big Fred

There are some things that can be tweaked on CPUs.

But I'm not sure at this point, it's a drop dead issue.

*******

If you're that concerned about it.

1) Do a backup of the existing Windows 7 install. You can
use Macrium Reflect Free for this, if you don't have
any other tools available. Even the System Image function
in Windows 7 will work, as you can use the Windows 7 installer
DVD to do a restore from a System Image.

2) Now, it doesn't matter what happens to that hard drive.
Set to AHCI. Prepare your F6 floppy with AHCI drivers.
Pop in the WinXP SP3 CD and do the install. See what
happens.

If you can't get it to work, maybe you're right. But
at the moment, I don't see why it shouldn't work. If
the BIOS has proper legacy support (UEFI set to allow
legacy operation), the WinXP CD should be able to boot.

Paul
 
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roger

Sure it will. Again, moving on your existing trajectory
(Windows 7 installed first, WinXP second), the install will
need some slight tweaks, but you can get Windows 7 to
continue managing the boot after that. It's just a bit
harder. And you'll have some annoying things happen along the
way.

I had multi-boot working fine for same XP and same W7 on the system
that is now defunct. The mobo and/or CPU hung up constantly.
Hence the new system. Some time ago, I read that in this multi-boot
setup, always install XP first, which I did, and it worked fine. I
just had to be careful never to improperly shut down W7, else the next
boot would always introduce a CHKDSK. So, anyway, I thought to do the
same on this new system. That system has a singular SATA hard drive
at present, and was brand-new. I tried to install my XP on it -
that's when I got the BSOD. W7 was not involved at all. At the time,
I next tried a second SATA hard drive, by itself, with the same
result. To assure that the system was otherwise functional, I then
tried to install my W7 on both hard drives, one at a time, alone. Both
installs worked fine, as did the begiinning W7.
If I was doing it here, and I was doing the process in the
previous paragraph, I'd want two computers. The second
computer would be a working computer, for researching on
the Internet, while my first computer is "completely broken".
It's going to be that kind of experience. But, you can
get it to work.

I would ask you the question "how much effort would it
be to install Windows 7 again", as a means of reducing
the work required for your dual boot. If you cleaned
off the disk (use Diskpart in recovery console),

No trouble at all. But, as I said above, I did install W7 on the
same two hard drives fine. In fact, that's how I sit right now.
Tried to reinstall XP, same BSOD.
you could
start over again with the WinXP step. Then install Windows 7.

If you have room somewhere for backups, you could take a
backup snapshot of your Windows 7 work to date. If you
don't like how things are going, just put Windows 7 back
again. It really all depends on what you have invested
in Windows 7, as to whether it's worth doing it the
harder way. I would certainly try it, because I do
stuff like that "for the experience" :)

I already have a backup image of the W7 drive from the defunct
machine. XP as well. I had intended to recover my data from those
images.

Paul, I have asked in another post if there is a web site most likely
to be able to tell me which, if any, of the CPUs Amazon and Newegg
have confused me about will install and run XP, but more importantly
will do that for both XP and W7. I can't find one. I even Googled
and read what I did find.

My other choice here, of course, is to maintain two separate machines,
one for XP, one for W7. But I wanted to not have 'two-machine'
clutter on my desk. That's why I had the multi-boot setup on the now
defunct machine. But maybe I should just do that.

Thanks again

Big Fred
 
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Paul

I had multi-boot working fine for same XP and same W7 on the system
that is now defunct. The mobo and/or CPU hung up constantly.
Hence the new system. Some time ago, I read that in this multi-boot
setup, always install XP first, which I did, and it worked fine. I
just had to be careful never to improperly shut down W7, else the next
boot would always introduce a CHKDSK. So, anyway, I thought to do the
same on this new system. That system has a singular SATA hard drive
at present, and was brand-new. I tried to install my XP on it -
that's when I got the BSOD. W7 was not involved at all. At the time,
I next tried a second SATA hard drive, by itself, with the same
result. To assure that the system was otherwise functional, I then
tried to install my W7 on both hard drives, one at a time, alone. Both
installs worked fine, as did the begiinning W7.


No trouble at all. But, as I said above, I did install W7 on the
same two hard drives fine. In fact, that's how I sit right now.
Tried to reinstall XP, same BSOD.


I already have a backup image of the W7 drive from the defunct
machine. XP as well. I had intended to recover my data from those
images.

Paul, I have asked in another post if there is a web site most likely
to be able to tell me which, if any, of the CPUs Amazon and Newegg
have confused me about will install and run XP, but more importantly
will do that for both XP and W7. I can't find one. I even Googled
and read what I did find.

My other choice here, of course, is to maintain two separate machines,
one for XP, one for W7. But I wanted to not have 'two-machine'
clutter on my desk. That's why I had the multi-boot setup on the now
defunct machine. But maybe I should just do that.

Thanks again

Big Fred

Repeating again, the motherboard hardware (video, SATA ports,
NIC) need drivers to work.

The CPU is OS agnostic. It does that, by supporting
all the legacy modes, such as Real Mode, Protected Mode,
A20, and so on.

Based on a quick search, it's my suspicion the WinXP AMD Processor
driver became unnecessary some time around 2006. So some
Microsoft patch may have come out then. And that might even
be included on your SP3 CD. My recollection is, the term
"V4" was somehow associated with the Microsoft side of this,
but my search engine isn't narrowing down the reference.

Ok, found it :)

http://forum.notebookreview.com/sag...p-multi-core-config-does-your-oem-do-you.html

If you go to page 69 of that thread, it says:

"This topic is only pertained to Windows XP Service Pack 2.
.... which is not needed anymore, since Service Pack 3
fixed it.

So that's why the AMD site isn't giving me the driver. The
Notebookreview site was required reading seven years ago,
but eventually the issue got fixed via Windows Update and
Service Pack. Your SP3 disc should have this covered. WinXP
still won't know how to delegate tasks properly to the
new architecture, but that just causes a little extra
cache traffic on snoop, that sort of thing. It just reduces
the performance by a few percent.

*******

If you're still having a problem, take a picture of the
BSOD on the screen, and post it to imageshack.us, so I
can see whether it's a 0x7b Inaccessible Boot Volume
or not. If it is, then you need to work out your F6
floppy issue.

Paul
 
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roger

Hi Paul

I decided to bite the bullet and use NLite to slipstream XP drivers
from my new Gigabyte motherboard CD into my XP installation CD.
I chose AHCIX86.INF (The 32-bit'er).

The original XP CD was 621,740,032 bytes, and the new CD is
622,264,320 bytes, some 524kb larger.

Bingo! I booted XP PRO, it installed, and is now looking at me.

Now to try W7 on a second hard drive by itself.
Then to try multi-boot.

Must feel wunnerful to know what you're doing Paul.
Thanks for all you insights. And for convincing me that you knew I
could do it.

Big Fred
 
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Paul

Hi Paul

I decided to bite the bullet and use NLite to slipstream XP drivers
from my new Gigabyte motherboard CD into my XP installation CD.
I chose AHCIX86.INF (The 32-bit'er).

The original XP CD was 621,740,032 bytes, and the new CD is
622,264,320 bytes, some 524kb larger.

Bingo! I booted XP PRO, it installed, and is now looking at me.

Now to try W7 on a second hard drive by itself.
Then to try multi-boot.

Must feel wunnerful to know what you're doing Paul.
Thanks for all you insights. And for convincing me that you knew I
could do it.

Big Fred

Well, I don't know what I'm doing, so when
something good happens, it's always a surprise :)

These new UEFI motherboards, have added a few
more curve balls to getting a computer going,
and since I don't own any, I'm relying on
second hand results for suggestions on what
to do .

Paul
 

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