Can't Backup to a Network Hard Drive using Vista Backup

[Guest]

I have a Buffalo (Melco) NTFS formatted hard drive attached to my home
network and mapped to L:/.

For some reason it's not displayed on the list of drives I can back up to
and I can't use the L:/ as the location.

Any ideas?

Thanks,

Andrew Shuttleworth

 

[Steve Drake]

You cannot backup to a mapped drive.

Your logged in users mapped the drive and the backup software is a service,
so it won’t see YOUR mapped drivers.

Also, some network file stores do not implement windows file sharing
correctly so they wont work.

They may be a work around that I don’t know about, but I just bought a USB
external hard disk and it works a treat.

ta

Steve

 

[Steve Drake]

I have tried getting a Buffalo to work, we have one at work.

I did not get anywhere with using \\NETWORKNAME\SHARE

I tried creating a share that had a login and password, still not luck.

Without doing any R&D, I recon Buffalo use Samba type implementation and its
does not support the way that the backup service is trying to authenticate.

If anyone has done some R&D I would be interested here any outcome.

Steve

 

[Ko]

As it is now, it didn't work with any NAS system I have tested with. Not
from Netgear on the SC101 not on the TEAC HD350 and as have been tested by
colleague's not on the Buffalo's either.

So backing op to NAS doesn't work at the moment we have to wait for updated
firmware that support the networking from Vista to be able to do so.

Contact the Supplier from Buffalo NAS regarding this problem as we have
done to the others, the only way to get this cured. I am lucky my own
backup software does work with the NAS.

Ko.

 

[Colin Barnhorst]

For convenience, email your suggestion to (e-mail address removed).

 

[iceeagle]

I think you can backup to a networked drive, but only from the command line.
I have done this myself, so this info could be incorrect.

-iceeagle

 

[Jill Zoeller [MSFT]]

This is indeed the reason why backing up to mapped drives isn't supported.
Thanks Steve for pointing this out.

According to our backup team, to use a NAS device as a backup target, you
need to create the share with "Full Control" privileges for the user whose
credentials they want to connect with. There is some information in the help
on this. (Though, I don't see this after a quick scan.)

If this doesn't work, we recommend contacting your NAS manufacturer to ask
them for upgraded firmware based on 3.x version of Samba.

 

[Mark-Allen [160825]]

Hi Jill,

Not to get picky but why doesn't Vista Backup work with compressed drives?

And why can we not select what we want to backup, instead of MS deciding for
us?

Third, why limit the destinations where a backup can be placed, if the main
reason for reworking backup was to get more people to *USE* Vista backup?

In all the years of IT, this is the worst application *ever* to come out of
Redmond.

Ok, besides MS Bob. (with apologies to Melinda.)

Just my 2 centimes, since you popped up.

--
Mark-Allen Perry
160825 / 1112165
Windows Vista X64 Ultimate
RTM Build 6000.16386
ALPHA Systems
Marly, Switzerland
mark-allen @ mvps . org

 

[Jill Zoeller [MSFT]]

File Backup *does* work with compressed drives. The CompletePC backup engine
does not allow the target to be compressed, but the source can be
compressed. The reason behind this decision is because copy-on-write doesn't
work well when the .vhd is compressed. We are looking to allow compressed
target volumes in the future.

We talk more about the Backup changes in our FAQ at
http://blogs.technet.com/filecab/pages/file-backup-in-windows-vista-faq.aspx.
We were targeting core consumers for this release, and we are working to
address the feedback we've received from the newsgroup community...I can't
give more specific details...yet.

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[Colin Barnhorst]

Is this true of the backup program as well?

File Backup *does* work with compressed drives. The CompletePC backup
engine does not allow the target to be compressed, but the source can be
compressed. The reason behind this decision is because copy-on-write
doesn't work well when the .vhd is compressed. We are looking to allow
compressed target volumes in the future.

We talk more about the Backup changes in our FAQ at
http://blogs.technet.com/filecab/pages/file-backup-in-windows-vista-faq.aspx.
We were targeting core consumers for this release, and we are working to
address the feedback we've received from the newsgroup community...I can't
give more specific details...yet.

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rights.

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[Jill Zoeller [MSFT]]

Is what true of which backup program? I use "File Backup" to refer to the
feature that backs up files and folders (versus Complete PC Backup).

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[Colin Barnhorst]

I reread the response and see the answer concerning File Backup. I had
focused on CompletePC Backup. Thanks.

 

[Mark-Allen [160825]]

Many thanks for the response, Jill.

My concerns on backups is most likely due to the daily backups I do on all
my systems. So, it does effect me greatly. I have checked other
Vista-compatible apps to replace the Vista Backup but haven't found one that
does as good a job as "NT Backup". But if I find one, I won't use Vista
Backup. If I was a better C developer, I'd write my own.

And I'm also going to look into using RoboCopy to do some of the backup
functions in the meantime. At least it allows for folder/file selection,
source and destination compression.

I'm also pleased that MS is reconsidering using a compressed drive for the
complete PC backup, although this should have been a given. But overall,
I'm pleased user feedback is being taken into account.

Also, many thanks for the link. I've saved it and will read it this
afternoon.

Again, I appreciate the feedback. The "whys" are important.

Have a nice day.

--
Mark-Allen Perry
160825 / 1112165
Windows Vista X64 Ultimate
RTM Build 6000.16386
ALPHA Systems
Marly, Switzerland
mark-allen @ mvps . org

 

[MICHAEL]

Have you tried this? Posted here the other day.

http://www.educ.umu.se/~cobian/cobianbackup.htm

Cobian Backup
Version 8 Black Moon
For Windows NT, 2000, XP, 2003, Vista
Latest version: 8.2.0.171

Cobian Backup is a multi-threaded program that can be used to schedule and backup your files
and directories from their original location to other directories/drives in the same computer
or other computer in your network. FTP backup is also supported in both directions (download
and upload).

 

[Mark-Allen [160825]]

Thanks, Michael.

Yes. I saw the earlier post and tested it last night. It is an improvement
but certainly isn't a "true Windows" app. I'll post some critiques on the
app from the run I had last night. But yes, I'll use this until I find
something else. It is not the best so far, I hope.

If you have any other ideas, please pass them on.

Many thanks.

--
Mark-Allen Perry
160825 / 1112165
Windows Vista X64 Ultimate
RTM Build 6000.16386
ALPHA Systems
Marly, Switzerland
mark-allen @ mvps . org

 

[MICHAEL]

Have you ever tried Acronis True Image?
It does more than just full volume images.


-Michael

 

[Colin Barnhorst]

Agreed. It does very good file backups.

 

[Mark-Allen [160825]]

Thanks, Michael and Colin.

I'm downloading now and will report back.

Much appreciated.

--
Mark-Allen Perry
160825 / 1112165
Windows Vista X64 Ultimate
RTM Build 6000.16386
ALPHA Systems
Marly, Switzerland
mark-allen @ mvps . org

 

[Colin Barnhorst]

yw

Thanks, Michael and Colin.

I'm downloading now and will report back.

Much appreciated.

--
Mark-Allen Perry
160825 / 1112165
Windows Vista X64 Ultimate
RTM Build 6000.16386
ALPHA Systems
Marly, Switzerland
mark-allen @ mvps . org

 

[nstoll]

I am jumping in the middle of this. I am the IT person for a small shop that
stores its BU data on a Iomega FileServer 150D NAS. I am trying to schedule
an automated BU of the local Outlook data store to the NAS from the Vista
desktops. I am using Retrospect for the XP machines, but need a solution for
the Vista PCs. Vista BU can browse and find the desired BU folder on the
NAS, but reports the BU file already exists (which it doesn't). Anyway to
make this work? The share has full control and Vista can access it properly.
Does Vista BU only work if the NAS has firmware based on 3.x version of
Samba?

nstoll