Can't access share except via EVERYONE

[James M. Knox]

Okay, I've seen and read so many blogs and newsgroup posting *similar*
to this that I hate to start another "me too (almost)" thread, but...

Two machines, XP Pro SP2 on both, on a LAN. Identical (as far as I can
tell) user accounts on both, with passwords. "Simple sharing" is turned
off. In general, everything on both machines and the LAN work fine.

I can take a folder on machine B and set it to "Share this folder." I
can then read the contents of the folder from machine A. I can change
the "Everyone" permission on the shared folder on B to include "change"
and then machine A can also write into the folder. Great!!!

However (the problem) I can not add a user or group permission to the
shared folder. Well, I can... but it does no good. For example,
leaving EVERYONE to read, and adding my own user name to permissions
(with read and change, or even full control) does nothing. Machine A
then can only get to the folder as "read" permission - obviously still
accessing through the EVERYONE permission.

I get no request for a name/password when I attempt to change the
contents of the folder from machine A, just the famous "Access denied."
message.

Dang it! I keep going over and over it, and it all looks like it SHOULD
work - but I am at a loss as to what isn't matching up.

Any suggestions?


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James M. Knox
TriSoft ph 512-385-0316
1300 Koenig Lane West fax 512-371-5716
Suite 200
Austin, Tx 78756 (e-mail address removed)
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[Steve Winograd [MVP]]

Okay, I've seen and read so many blogs and newsgroup posting *similar*
to this that I hate to start another "me too (almost)" thread, but...

Two machines, XP Pro SP2 on both, on a LAN. Identical (as far as I can
tell) user accounts on both, with passwords. "Simple sharing" is turned
off. In general, everything on both machines and the LAN work fine.

I can take a folder on machine B and set it to "Share this folder." I
can then read the contents of the folder from machine A. I can change
the "Everyone" permission on the shared folder on B to include "change"
and then machine A can also write into the folder. Great!!!

However (the problem) I can not add a user or group permission to the
shared folder. Well, I can... but it does no good. For example,
leaving EVERYONE to read, and adding my own user name to permissions
(with read and change, or even full control) does nothing. Machine A
then can only get to the folder as "read" permission - obviously still
accessing through the EVERYONE permission.

I get no request for a name/password when I attempt to change the
contents of the folder from machine A, just the famous "Access denied."
message.

Dang it! I keep going over and over it, and it all looks like it SHOULD
work - but I am at a loss as to what isn't matching up.

Any suggestions?

Make sure that your accounts are identical on both computers: same
user name, and same password. Reboot machine A and try accessing
Machine B again.

Review the information on this web page for how to add permissions to
a share:

Windows XP Professional File Sharing
http://www.practicallynetworked.com/sharing/xp_filesharing/index.htm

If none of that helps, remove any stored password for your account.
On machine A, go to Control Panel > User Accounts > [your account] >
Mange my network passwords.
--
Best Wishes,
Steve Winograd, MS-MVP (Windows Networking)

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[James M. Knox]

Make sure that your accounts are identical on both computers: same
user name, and same password. Reboot machine A and try accessing
Machine B again.

Been there, done that... but it was worth a try again (see below).

Review the information on this web page for how to add permissions to
a share:
Windows XP Professional File Sharing
http://www.practicallynetworked.com/sharing/xp_filesharing/index.htm

I had already found this excellent article, and other, to no avail.

If none of that helps, remove any stored password for your account.
On machine A, go to Control Panel > User Accounts > [your account] >
Mange my network passwords.

And *that* was the clue that cracked the case. Both machines had the
exact same accounts and passwords. Both accounts were active, and I
could log in to either machine using the exact same name and password.

But when I looked at the "network passwords" folder, there was no
mention of this account. However, there were others that had old
accounts with NO PASSWORD (how it used to be). I deleted the old ones,
and *manually* entered the new account and password for the target
machine in question. Bingo - works like a charm.

My understanding still is that it SHOULD have come up and asked for a
name/password (since there was no entry for the destination server in
question. But it didn't, and at least now it's working.

MUCH THANKS. If you are down Austin TX way some time, give me a holler.
I owe you a Tex-Mex dinner!

jmk


-----------------------------------------------
James M. Knox
TriSoft ph 512-385-0316
1300 Koenig Lane West fax 512-371-5716
Suite 200
Austin, Tx 78756 (e-mail address removed)
-----------------------------------------------

 

[Steve Winograd [MVP]]

Make sure that your accounts are identical on both computers: same
user name, and same password. Reboot machine A and try accessing
Machine B again.

Been there, done that... but it was worth a try again (see below).

Review the information on this web page for how to add permissions to
a share:
Windows XP Professional File Sharing
http://www.practicallynetworked.com/sharing/xp_filesharing/index.htm

I had already found this excellent article, and other, to no avail.

If none of that helps, remove any stored password for your account.
On machine A, go to Control Panel > User Accounts > [your account] >
Mange my network passwords.

And *that* was the clue that cracked the case. Both machines had the
exact same accounts and passwords. Both accounts were active, and I
could log in to either machine using the exact same name and password.

But when I looked at the "network passwords" folder, there was no
mention of this account. However, there were others that had old
accounts with NO PASSWORD (how it used to be). I deleted the old ones,
and *manually* entered the new account and password for the target
machine in question. Bingo - works like a charm.

My understanding still is that it SHOULD have come up and asked for a
name/password (since there was no entry for the destination server in
question. But it didn't, and at least now it's working.

MUCH THANKS. If you are down Austin TX way some time, give me a holler.
I owe you a Tex-Mex dinner!

jmk

You're welcome! I'm glad that my suggestion helped you solve the
problem. Thanks for reporting the result.
--
Best Wishes,
Steve Winograd, MS-MVP (Windows Networking)

Please post any reply as a follow-up message in the news group
for everyone to see. I'm sorry, but I don't answer questions
addressed directly to me in E-mail or news groups.

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http://mvp.support.microsoft.com

 

[Guest]

I have a similar problem as JMK. I have a shared folder on machine B (XP
Home) that has been updated from machine A (XP Pro). The files were given
EVERYONE READONLY permissions. Now I need to delete those files (as they
contain personal financial information), but I get an "Access Denied" error.
I have tried using all of the limited accounts on Machine B, as well as the
computer admin account. I have also have created a cmd file with a delete
command that I had run as a scheduled task before logon and tried the same
with a registry hack to the run key. I have also tried to edit the access
control list (CACLS) with no success. This article just says that default
READONLY permissions to EVERYONE in a shared directory is an enhancement to
XP SP2.

Article ID : 328065
Last Review : April 28, 2003
Revision : 2.1

Any suggestions?

Make sure that your accounts are identical on both computers: same
user name, and same password. Reboot machine A and try accessing
Machine B again.

Been there, done that... but it was worth a try again (see below).

Review the information on this web page for how to add permissions to
a share:
Windows XP Professional File Sharing
http://www.practicallynetworked.com/sharing/xp_filesharing/index.htm

I had already found this excellent article, and other, to no avail.

If none of that helps, remove any stored password for your account.
On machine A, go to Control Panel > User Accounts > [your account] >
Mange my network passwords.

And *that* was the clue that cracked the case. Both machines had the
exact same accounts and passwords. Both accounts were active, and I
could log in to either machine using the exact same name and password.

But when I looked at the "network passwords" folder, there was no
mention of this account. However, there were others that had old
accounts with NO PASSWORD (how it used to be). I deleted the old ones,
and *manually* entered the new account and password for the target
machine in question. Bingo - works like a charm.

My understanding still is that it SHOULD have come up and asked for a
name/password (since there was no entry for the destination server in
question. But it didn't, and at least now it's working.

MUCH THANKS. If you are down Austin TX way some time, give me a holler.
I owe you a Tex-Mex dinner!

jmk

You're welcome! I'm glad that my suggestion helped you solve the
problem. Thanks for reporting the result.
--
Best Wishes,
Steve Winograd, MS-MVP (Windows Networking)

Please post any reply as a follow-up message in the news group
for everyone to see. I'm sorry, but I don't answer questions
addressed directly to me in E-mail or news groups.

Microsoft Most Valuable Professional Program
http://mvp.support.microsoft.com

 

[Steve Winograd [MVP]]

I have a similar problem as JMK. I have a shared folder on machine B (XP
Home) that has been updated from machine A (XP Pro). The files were given
EVERYONE READONLY permissions. Now I need to delete those files (as they
contain personal financial information), but I get an "Access Denied" error.
I have tried using all of the limited accounts on Machine B, as well as the
computer admin account. I have also have created a cmd file with a delete
command that I had run as a scheduled task before logon and tried the same
with a registry hack to the run key. I have also tried to edit the access
control list (CACLS) with no success. This article just says that default
READONLY permissions to EVERYONE in a shared directory is an enhancement to
XP SP2.

Article ID : 328065
Last Review : April 28, 2003
Revision : 2.1

On machine B, take ownership of the shared folder/files as described
here, then delete the files:

How to take ownership of a file or folder in Windows XP
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/308421/en-us
--
Best Wishes,
Steve Winograd, MS-MVP (Windows Networking)

Please post any reply as a follow-up message in the news group
for everyone to see. I'm sorry, but I don't answer questions
addressed directly to me in E-mail or news groups.

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[Guest]

Thanks, Steve. I had forgotten about SAFE mode. By the way, when trying to
take ownership of the top level folder, I kept getting an error that say the
security ID could not be used and although the owner of the folder was now
listed as the administrator account with which I had logged in, I could not
change the permissions to the top-level folder. However, I decided to check
subordinate folders and files, just in case. Lo, and behold, I could not
change the permissions on subordinate folders and delete them. Same goes for
the files. After all was empty, I was able to delete the top-level folder. Go
figure. Well, anyway, I was able to accomplish my goal of getting rid of
these files. Thanks for your guidance.

 

[Steve Winograd [MVP]]

Thanks, Steve. I had forgotten about SAFE mode. By the way, when trying to
take ownership of the top level folder, I kept getting an error that say the
security ID could not be used and although the owner of the folder was now
listed as the administrator account with which I had logged in, I could not
change the permissions to the top-level folder. However, I decided to check
subordinate folders and files, just in case. Lo, and behold, I could not
change the permissions on subordinate folders and delete them. Same goes for
the files. After all was empty, I was able to delete the top-level folder. Go
figure. Well, anyway, I was able to accomplish my goal of getting rid of
these files. Thanks for your guidance.

You're welcome, Jeff. I'm glad that my suggestion helped you solve
the problem. Thanks for reporting the results.
--
Best Wishes,
Steve Winograd, MS-MVP (Windows Networking)

Please post any reply as a follow-up message in the news group
for everyone to see. I'm sorry, but I don't answer questions
addressed directly to me in E-mail or news groups.

Microsoft Most Valuable Professional Program
http://mvp.support.microsoft.com