Canon i865 and BCI-6 series inks

[GB]

Looks like I'm about to sell my i850 and Epson 2100 and consolidate back to
one printer, the new Canon i865. It seems like the US for some reason are
getting jibbed again and are not getting the CD-R printing capabilities of
this new model (just like the Epson 2100 vs 2200)...

Anyway these are my only questions:

Anyone used one yet? I assume the colour phot printing will be as good or
better than the i850 which is fine, but what about the CD-R printing? How
does it look in comparison to paper printing results? What are its
limitations, if any? Can you set outer diameter, bore diameter etc or are
you fixed at a preset?

How do the BCI-6x series carts compare to the 3e series? They seem a little
more expensive (AUS$15.30ex vs AUS$19.00ex). Is it a chipped cart? Just as
refillable as the 3e series. Less/Same/More capacity??

Thanks in advance for any comments

Guy

PS: If your in Australia and want to buy a Epson Photo 2100, hardly used,
full set of brand new unopened genuine carts, all box's etc email me either
with your offer, or for a quote. Ditto on the i850 (set of unopened carts
too). Both printers have original carts installed, though they are getting
pretty low.

 

[Tony Rae]

Looks like I'm about to sell my i850 and Epson 2100 and consolidate back to
one printer, the new Canon i865. It seems like the US for some reason are
getting jibbed again and are not getting the CD-R printing capabilities of
this new model (just like the Epson 2100 vs 2200)...

Unfortunately the US customers lose the CD-R printing adapter due to
legal reasons completely beyond Canon's control.

How do the BCI-6x series carts compare to the 3e series? They seem a little
more expensive (AUS$15.30ex vs AUS$19.00ex). Is it a chipped cart? Just as
refillable as the 3e series. Less/Same/More capacity??

$15.30 is pretty good, the cheapest I've seen is around $18 on special
from BigW.

 

[GB]

Hi Tony,

Well that's meant to be wholesale ex gst! so $18 is actually pretty good
retail. I was just using those as relative comparisons. Unfortunately when
you have 5 carts (as the i865 does), this adds up to around $90-$100 for a
set. Hence my desire for a more economical solution.

Guy
Hoppers Crossing ;-)

 

[GB]

PS: What's the basis of the US's legal problems with CD-R printing? Is it
actually illegal, or is it that such a feature would attract higher tax's
etc link 1394 input does on cameras in Europe.

 

[callsignviper]

PS: What's the basis of the US's legal problems with CD-R printing? Is it
actually illegal, or is it that such a feature would attract higher tax's
etc link 1394 input does on cameras in Europe.

It's called the RIAA Gestapo with their DMCA paperwork suing little kids and
anyone else they want to make an example of for file sharing MP3s, etc.

They're afraid people will print their own CD labels and then sell the
albums they made from the MP3 files.

That's already happened at a local flea market. Those are the people they
should really go after........the actual pirates selling the files they got
from the internet.

They also claim they are losing billions of dollars in sales per year due to
file sharing. However, they don't have a shred of proof to back up those
numbers. It is impossible for them to PREDICT how many of those file sharing
people would have bought the albums if file sharing never existed.

I also suspect that if albums were priced more reasonably upon initial
release that sales would be better. I have forgotten how many albums I paid
$12-15(USD) each and then regretted the purchase after I listened to the
entire album. I couldn't return them for a refund as that isn't allowed once
the package has been opened. So much for freedom of choice in the music
industry.

 

[GB]

That was all I could think of, but had to ask cause its such a stupid reason
to ban them, there are also so many legit reasons to print on CDs etc Is it
actually in law, or is it Canon and Epson just running scared of the RIAA.

What about paper labels & stompers etc, are they 'banned' as well? They
produce a far more realistic looking label thank inkjet printable media
(especially the glossy paper sticky labels).

 

[callsignviper]

That was all I could think of, but had to ask cause its such a stupid reason
to ban them, there are also so many legit reasons to print on CDs etc Is it
actually in law, or is it Canon and Epson just running scared of the RIAA.

As far as I know there is nothing in the DMCA to prevent the sale of these
printers. Your last sentence above may be close to the truth. Either that or
the RIAA has made some sort of "arrangement:" with Canon, Epson, et al not
to sell those printers in the U.S.A. If there is enough demand for label
printing capability Canon and others may eventually thumb their noses at the
RIAA. I think HP has thumbed their noses because I saw an HP printer this
week that will print directly to appropriate CDR media. Maybe the other
printer manufacturers did some sort of market analysis that wasn't very
favorable towards the marketability of CDR printable printers. My guess is
that the RIAA and the DMCA have some sort of role in their decision not to
market those printers......yet.

What about paper labels & stompers etc, are they 'banned' as well? They
produce a far more realistic looking label thank inkjet printable media
(especially the glossy paper sticky labels).

No, those things are given away "free" after rebate about once a month but
most of them are junk and a waste of money, time, etc.

 

[Tony Rae]

Guy
Hoppers Crossing ;-)

Ah, I thought I recognised you

 

[Tony Rae]

That was all I could think of, but had to ask cause its such a stupid reason
to ban them, there are also so many legit reasons to print on CDs etc Is it
actually in law, or is it Canon and Epson just running scared of the RIAA.

What about paper labels & stompers etc, are they 'banned' as well? They
produce a far more realistic looking label thank inkjet printable media
(especially the glossy paper sticky labels).

I'd actually heard that it was to do with some other company holding a
certain copyright that would not allow others, such as Canon, Epson
etc, to offer CD printing with their inkjets. I think I saw it
mentioned in a printer review recently though I can't recall the link.

 

[GB]

not many Tony Rae's from Australia in the forums, I thought it might be you.

Hope your doing well.

Already sold the i850, the i650 should be in very shortly, will be
interested to compare to the results I get from the Epson 2100. If nothing
less, it will be cheaper to print to CDs/DVDs with than the 2100

 

[Tony Rae]

not many Tony Rae's from Australia in the forums, I thought it might be you.

Hope your doing well.

I am, thanks.

Already sold the i850, the i650 should be in very shortly, will be
interested to compare to the results I get from the Epson 2100. If nothing
less, it will be cheaper to print to CDs/DVDs with than the 2100

I've just recently sold my old Epson 870. It printed great photos but
it was slow, left track marks on the paper from the paper advance
wheels and wasted ink with it's all in one cartridge. I've ordered an
i865 which hopefully should turn up soon, I've got a stack of DVD
covers to print

 

[GB]

good to hear, I'm hoping my 865 will arrive this afternoon, but the chances
are slim (disty only expects them in today themselves). I can't believe
they are only around $30 more than the 850,

Cheers

Guy

 

[GB]

doh! pushed to the 16th

good to hear, I'm hoping my 865 will arrive this afternoon, but the chances
are slim (disty only expects them in today themselves). I can't believe
they are only around $30 more than the 850,

Cheers

Guy

 

[Tony Rae]

doh! pushed to the 16th

Guy, could you let me know when you get it?
That will let me know that I should soon expect mine.
Thanks.

 

[Tony Rae]

Hi Tony,

Well that's meant to be wholesale ex gst! so $18 is actually pretty good
retail. I was just using those as relative comparisons. Unfortunately when
you have 5 carts (as the i865 does), this adds up to around $90-$100 for a
set. Hence my desire for a more economical solution.

There was a story recently in a local paper that made mention of ink
costing more than a bottle of fine wine
Too right. for $90-$100AU your probably lucky if you get 500ml worth
of ink.

 

[GB]

@ 14ml per cart, try 70ml for $100AU!

There was a story recently in a local paper that made mention of ink
costing more than a bottle of fine wine
Too right. for $90-$100AU your probably lucky if you get 500ml worth
of ink.

 

[GB]

disty told me their stock has shipped to them (local shipping) so they are
expecting stock today. They aren't a formal Canon disty, so their supplier
(who would be) would be shipping to others as well. Having said that,
TodayTech, a Canon disty, said yesterday they aren't expecting stock until
the end of Sept.

I'm sure you have a better price, but if mine arrives, and you want me to
get one in for you it would be $356

 

[GB]

forget it, they just changed their shipment date back to the 30 Sep, in line
with what TT told me all along...

 

[Tony Rae]

disty told me their stock has shipped to them (local shipping) so they are
expecting stock today. They aren't a formal Canon disty, so their supplier
(who would be) would be shipping to others as well. Having said that,
TodayTech, a Canon disty, said yesterday they aren't expecting stock until
the end of Sept.

I'm sure you have a better price, but if mine arrives, and you want me to
get one in for you it would be $356

Thanks Guy but I placed an order a week ago and left a deposit. Your
price is about $20 better

 

[GB]

Tony,

Have been told stock arrived last night, they have shipped this morning and
I should get it this afternoon. It should arrive here any min now.

Happy, Happy, Happy...